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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:32 PM
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Damn! Dodd sounding like a damn President on K.O. tonight!
Woootie Woot Woot! Fine man! :applause: :patriot:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:33 PM
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1. Yes, yes he did
and you know what?" Th second tier are getting more attention now (which is a good thing) but you have to wonder why
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:38 PM
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5. biting my tongue here...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:02 AM
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13. Well I ask, and makes me wonder
if we are getting ready for the recognition that WE elect them, not the media
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:11 AM
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19. would not that be refreshing?
the glamour kids could just flame out
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:41 AM
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28. It would be refreshing
he did a fine job... and so did Kucinich today at the Ed Shultz show
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 06:19 AM
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33. Ron Paul is also making the mainstream Republicans chafe
with his poll numbers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 05:46 AM
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32. .
the glamour kids.......priceless.
:rofl:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:05 AM
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16. The others are old news? nt
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:34 PM
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2. Dodd is a good guy. I wish he was doing better than Clinton.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:35 PM
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3. I have no intention of wishing Hillary ill will. Nope, a fine President she would make.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:37 PM
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4. I don't wish her ill. I just hope she doesn't get the nomination.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:44 PM
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6. Well ok. Somebody granting wishes? I wish the fucking war @ 12 billion a month and young lives
lost would end tonight.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:06 AM
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17. I wish he was doing better than HRC, OB and Edwards, actuallly. nt
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:44 AM
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34. I have ties to CT and also like Dodd
It's encouraging to see that his campaign is still afloat. I also wish he was more of a frontrunner.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:46 PM
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7. Yes and I'm beginning to like him alot...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:48 PM
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8. I never disliked him. Just made good time tonight! Woot! Constitution isn't just a fucking piece
of paper!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:54 PM
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9. He is a fine man
and a fine Senator. But he'll never be President.

I'm glad he ran, though... I like when the good guys get exposure.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:56 PM
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10. Do you have a crystal ball, or are you just confident and when I see your name I always think of
Monkeyman :cry:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:17 AM
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24. No crystal ball
just a many-decades-old love of politics and common sense.

Of course, I could be wrong. Do you want to bet on whether Dodd will ever be President?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 11:59 PM
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11. Dodd as a presidential candidate has impressed me a lot
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:02 AM
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12. I really thought so too
I was very impressed. When he spoke of his father, and what the Nuremberg trials meant for America being able to take the moral high road and how we are not able to do that now, well I was just impressed. He gets it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:04 AM
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14. I loved learning that about him. I did not know about his Dad.
What an upbringing he must have had. Very interesting.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:07 AM
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18. Wasn't his dad censured in the senate? I think so. nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:12 AM
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20. Don't know.
:shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:04 AM
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15. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, with enthusiasm, unlike HRC or Edwards. nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:14 AM
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21. I have my candidate already selected for the primary, but Dodd did a very fine job tonight.
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 12:14 AM by lonestarnot
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:14 AM
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22. Dodd is growing on me a lot
I think his is sharp as a tack and would be very electable
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:16 AM
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23. He's *been* sounding like that... Restoring the Constitution, Habeus Corpus:
Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007

A Bill to Provide for the Effective Prosecution of Terrorists and to Guarantee Due Process Rights.

    It restores the writ of habeas corpus for individuals held in US custody.

    It narrows the definition of unlawful enemy combatant to individuals who directly participate in a zone of active combat against the United States, and individuals who participated in attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.

    It requires that the United States live up to its Geneva Convention obligations by deleting a prohibition in law that bars detainees from invoking Geneva Conventions as a source of rights at trial.

    It permits accused to retain qualified civilian attorneys to represent them at trial, or to choose self representation.

    It prevents the use of evidence in court gained through the unreliable and immoral practices of torture and coercion.

    It charges the military judge with the responsibility for ensuring that the jury is appraised of sources, methods and activities associated with acquiring out of court statements that if known to the jury would impact on the credibility of the statement, or alternatively that such statements are not introduced at trial.

    It empowers military judges to exclude hearsay evidence they deem to be unreliable.
    It authorizes the US Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces to review decisions by the military commissions.

    It limits the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions and makes that authority subject to congressional and judicial oversight.

    It clarifies the definition of war crimes in statute to include certain violations of the Geneva Conventions.

    Finally, it provides for expedited judicial review of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to determine the constitutionally of its provisions.


Restoring America’s Standing in the World Begins with Restoring Constitution, Habeas Corpus
by Chris Dodd
The following originally appeared in the Huffington Post on June 7, 2007

This week, two military judges dismissed charges against a Canadian and a Yemeni detained at Guantanamo Bay, ruling that their war-crimes trials cannot move forward, throwing the entire military commissions process and those being held under it into question.

At issue in these cases is not simply whether Omar Khadr and Salim Ahmed Hamdan are "lawful" or "unlawful" enemy combatants as the judges have determined. Rather, what is at stake is whether America stands for what is right or what is wrong -- whether we stand for justice that secures America or vengeance that weakens us. What is at stake is the rule of law, America's moral authority and their vital connection to America's security.

Indeed, one of the saddest days in my 26-year career in the Senate occurred last fall when the Congress passed the Military Commissions Act (MCA), allowing evidence obtained through torture to be admitted into evidence, denying individuals the right to counsel, the right to invoke the Geneva Conventions. Indeed, with passage of the MCA, Congress removed the single most important and effective safeguard of liberty man has known:

The right of habeas corpus, permitting prisoners to be brought before court to determine whether their detainment is lawful.

In removing habeas corpus protections, the MCA affirmed vengeance as a tool in fighting terrorism -- discarding sixty years of precedent and respect for the rule of law.

For me, the issue is personal. My father served as Executive Trial Counsel under Chief Prosecutor and Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals, which set a high standard for moral authority and rule of law in the 20th Century. Trials were far from the obvious choice following World War Two and the extermination of 10 million people -- and vengeance was an understandable reaction.

Indeed, even with a body of evidence so overwhelming that only the likes of an Ahmadinejad could possibly deny it, Churchill wanted to promptly shoot the Nazi leaders. Stalin wanted show trials -- and then to shoot them. And many legal scholars argued there was no court or precedent under which to try them.

The parallels with the situation we find ourselves in today are chilling -- today we see an Administration that too often uses the law and its advocates not to uphold justice but to undermine it, enlisting attorneys to weaken laws and agencies that protect citizens here at home and our men and women in uniform abroad.

Let there be no doubt that Mr. Khadr, Mr. Hamdan and their fellow detainees are accused of serious crimes -- crimes they might well be guilty of.

Yet once again, we should reject the certainty of execution and incarceration for uncertainty of the rule of law and justice.

Why? Because America has always stood for something more.

It still does, but the window is closing. That is why I introduced the Restoring the Constitution Act (RCA). By insisting that suspected terrorists will be treated consistent with norms of our national law and the Geneva Conventions, to which we remain a signatory, we can protect our national security while upholding the international credibility so critical to securing America.

In the coming weeks I will be making a major push to bring the RCA to the floor of the United States Senate for a vote. To do that we need to enough votes to pass the bill in the Senate Armed Services Committee. My good friend Senator Carl Levin has shown remarkable leadership as the Democratic Chairman of the Committee and has a long record of distinguished service in the Senate. But he alone cannot bring this bill to the full Senate, and bringing the RCA to a vote in Committee without the votes will unfortunately not advance our cause. That is why I need your help -- making your voice heard by all members of the committee, Republican and Democrat alike. With your help I know we can get the votes to restore America's moral authority in the world.

It's time we stand up and say once and for all that the choice between vengeance and insecurity is a false choice -- that American leadership ought to draw strength from not our worst fears but our highest ideals.

Justice Jackson said of Nuremberg, "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." If we fail to rise to this moment, I fear we will be drinking from that chalice for many years to come.

Here's what you can do today to help restore the Constitution:


http://chrisdodd.com/node/2252



I rarely see a thread about Senator Dodd; I've posted a few... they received a handful of replies, mostly negative. :shrug:

I also posted a thread asking if there was support for a 'Dodd Supporters Group'; there wasn't. :shrug:

We have groups for non-candidates, but not all candidates have supporters groups. What's up w/that? :shrug:

I'd love to see him get more air time, so that people could have a chance to hear what he has to say. There are several very good candidates, but the media has made it all about Clinton v Obama. :puke:

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:39 AM
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27. Thanks for posting this information on the restorations. Bookmarking
for when I can hold my eyes open better. Right now, they are trying to check out the insides of my eyelids.
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 05:42 AM
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31. TY for your informative post.
I never disliked Dodd. Still haven't settled on a primary favorite.
P_P
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:06 AM
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38. John Edwards is my primary favorite, as I've made known. Senator Dodd is a candidate that I would...
... heartily support if he were to get the nomination. IMO, he is one of the very good candidates running for president.

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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:17 AM
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25. He was excellent, no doubt about it.
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phylla Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:35 AM
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26. He was even more Presidential on Charlie Rose
He definitely got my attention.
Not Wes Clark- But who knows?
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 02:54 AM
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30. I saw him on C Rose too
and was very impressed. He was great. I watched him in between the hearings when he did a mini press conference at the break. He will not authorize any more funding for the war. Didn't believe a word of Petraus's BS. Came right out and said it!
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:14 AM
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29. yes
very thoughtful and intelligent. Good format for him too.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:21 AM
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35. Probably be our next Secretary of State..
:patriot:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:30 AM
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36. That sounds fabulous!
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:36 AM
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37. Dodd is a very sharp guy, and a hell of a good speaker!
I got to see him up close at a fundraiser about a year ago, and was very impressed with the speech he delivered. WRT the Presidential campaign, unfortunately, our image-driven society would almost certainly work against him - I happen to be 6'1", and when I shook his hand, I felt like I was towering over him! Too many brain-dead knuckledraggers would see him in debate with Romney or whoever and would be quick to dismiss his capabilities...."uhhhhhh...he's a damn midget! How can he be any good at prezidintin'?"
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