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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:08 PM Original message |
Do you think it is insensitive or racist to force young black men to salute... |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. If that's a tradition there look for a new school. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Context? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Public military school...first year cadets salute a statue of.. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Military school. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. College. No one refuses to salute....consequences were less than desirable. nt. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Its a public school. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Funny thing...when I was going, Clarence Thomas' son was attending as well. nt. |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Clarence Thomas was able to procreate? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. His son looked exacly like him. It was scary. nt. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
86. Well, he did call Mistuh Tony and ask for permission before doing so |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Wow. Why not throw Tojo and Rommel into the mix? nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They aren't southern heroes I guess. nt. |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. VMI? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yes. And he will always be revered there. It is the town of my birth... |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. My wife went to Sweetbriar, but did a year as an exchange student at W&L |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I remember mixers at Sweetbriar. My dads entire family is... |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. The first time I saw Buena Vista I thought, "What the Hell ... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Yeah, thats how everyone pronounces it. My friends still don't say it right. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Pretty much. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. Nothing should ever be done in the name of tradition |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think any person should salute that creep. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I was thinking the more obvious fighting on the side that supported slavery... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. He's confused with Andrew Jackson |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Well, Andrew jackson gave birth to our party |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. The early Democrats were pretty scummy |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. It's hard to judge people from the 19th century.. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It's quite easy, actually. |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Ever see some of the campaign materials Dems used against Lincoln? |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
82. And Lincoln founded the GOP. Point? |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. You're right. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. neither did I, although he might have been |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Yep, because colored folk just LOVED them Confederates! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
9. that depends entirely |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yes. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
13. In what way are students forced to salute? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It is the first year cadets initiation... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. That totally sucks regardless of the skin color of the cadet |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. Will a 1-finger Salute Do? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. I think it's insensitive and racist to even have a statue of that fucking traitor |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. What, would they expel you if you didn't salute? How did they make them salute? - n/t |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. They would not expel you for the incident. But your life would truly suck... |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Yes Military Schools are not the places for people with progressive values. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Exactly. Break down the individual and build them up as they see fit. nt. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
63. Sadly true. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I don't think that could happen for long today. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. To the best of my knowledge, it still goes on today.... |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I guess no one has seriously complained about it yet. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. I think it's kind of dumb to go to a military college |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I went to a military college and I can't really argue much, except in the case.. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Don't get me wrong, some military colleges provide first rate education |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. as of 2007, #1 public liberal arts college in the nation for the 6th straight year. nt. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. Bullshit is the nicer term, at least nicer than I would have used. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
30. It's for sure STUPID. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. Not at all. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. LOL |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. Finally some facts in this discussion. THANK YOU |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
37. Depends on what you salute him with, honey. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. No one should ever be forced to salute anyone or anything |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I'm pretty sure that happens in the military all the time. nt. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Of course it does. But my statement was that it should never be |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. In the military you salute the rank, not the individual (I have heard). |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yes, I would say it probably is.. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Because they love dead confederate generals in Virginia. nt. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Don't I know it.. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I was born in Lexington....I've seen it all. nt. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Stonewall is in Lexington... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Not sure. A group of alumni are trying to get support up... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I heard about that... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I was there when the whole thing started. I remember being on... |
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Aristus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's more than racist; it's treasonous. |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
61. Stonewall Jackson was a great military strategist and not a racist |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. He JUST fought for the wrong side? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Yes, Jackson wasn't a racist. He was very nice to the people he enslaved. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
66. Jackson was a slave owning bastard. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Like Washington and Jefferson, too? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Yes. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
68. Its both insensitive and racist to induce ANYONE to salute the statue. |
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ThePowerofWill (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
69. Depends. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Jackson was a bit of a whack-job.. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
77. VMI? nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Yes. nt. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Had a few friends go there. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. There is some history there. nt. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. Of course it is. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. And people get defensive about the south. Go figure. nt. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. It's the American psyche. If something's wrong, If something's wrong, don't admit it.... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. like the KKK in Indiana? ha. nt. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Precisely. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. Why don't they just shoot the statue of Jackson like Jackson's men did to him? |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
89. Personally, I don't feel all that great about paying homage to objects. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-13-07 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
91. absolutely; i wouldn't salute him, and i'm a white woman. nt |
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