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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:28 PM
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Poll question: Move On ad...?
Just a quick poll because I'm curious
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:30 PM
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1. It's far better than one that would merely be ignored.
:shrug: "Polite" doesn't get anyone's attention.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:31 PM
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2. it's better than those Freedom Watch Ari Fleischer bullshit ads
at least moveon did not use amputee vets to make their point.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:33 PM
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3. I thought it was simply good, until I started reading and hearing
about how furious the Republics are. I mean they're going ape shit.

So now I've elevated my feelings to love it.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:36 PM
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5. Thats how I've felt.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:35 PM
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4. Other - I think it was nonproductive.
For $70,000 they could have made a strong case against the war and left the Republicans speechless. Instead, it's their new talking point. At the very least, the ad should have indicated that "General Betrayus" started with the general's own troops, not the civilian population.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:41 PM
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10. It's only red meat to their base
But it creates doubt in peoples minds that this General is being honest. Since most Americans didn't believe the report in the first place it will just help reinforce what they were already thinking.

It's a catch phrase and a most effective one. Most people won't even watch the hearings but they will hear that catch phrase.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:38 PM
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6. The reason Republicans are trying to attack it is because they fear it
As the days pass people will remember this general's name as "Betray Us" and it will create just enough doubt that it will cause major damage to their message.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:39 PM
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7. Petraeus took an oath to preserve, protect & defend the Constitution.
Not to serve as Praetor to enforce the will of Emperor Bush.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:39 PM
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8. A fine example of "Freedom of speech".
Ya know....that thing we used to have in America. I love how the media has spun it though. God forbid we should criticize a General in the military. They are like Gods and would NEVER tell us lies. Yeah. Right. That is why Patreaus or Crocker were not put under oath for the hearings this week.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:40 PM
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9. I had to vote other. My complaint is that it was
a poor strategic move. "It's the frame, stupid"
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:12 PM
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17. How would you have done it differently?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 03:20 PM
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18. I'm glad you asked. I've been thinking quite a bit about that.
I now understand that they had no choice about what day it ran, so I think what I would have done is run the picture of Petraeus and added a devastating Iraqi shot. I thought the text of the MoveON ad was fine for the most part, but I would probably have opened the ad with something like:

"General Patraeus, Don't Give Us More of The Administration;s Happy Talk. Everyone now knows it's false."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:44 PM
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11. A great way to get the campaigns to show their colors.
You know those big yellow stripes down the middle of their backs. They'll be plainly visible as all the phony leftists will be running hard to the right.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:48 PM
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12. Petraeus is "fair game"
Those fuckers outed a CIA agent. Now what is worse? Us questioning a generals integrity which could effect our whole country or the Republicans outing a CIA agent working to track WMD's?

Come on people wake up and attack back!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:52 PM
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13. Love it
:D
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 02:24 PM
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16. ditto-
love it, too.

Davey allowed himself to be pandered to-- he put himself in this position--now he can take the flak. He DOES work for us, does he not?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:27 PM
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21. Another good one, Swamp Rat!! Talented you are!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm copying that one to my picture folder! ;)
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:53 PM
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14. Some people care more about "making a statement" than changing minds
Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:53 PM
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15. can we get over it already? the whole discussion is one big red herring anyways
Why are we worried about a Generals hurt feelings when theres a million actually HURT Iraqis????
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:22 PM
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19. i would have used "general ass-kissing chickenshit" as the header..
but other than that, no complaints about the ad whatsoever.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:27 PM
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20. Kick
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:40 PM
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22. Apparently it's all Sen Clinton's fault. (per Giuliani - R, 9/11 forever)
:eyes:

That said, the members paid for it and they have every right to publish it, as did the NYT.
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