Why I fear universal healthcare...

And why Exactly is Howard County Maryland the first county to offer health care for all it's citizens for? It could have done it years ago,If the leaders wanted it.So why now?

I don't think the motive is as altruistic as it sounds.
I wish it was, but than again I don't trust greedy powerful people who lie.Call me cynical than But recently,I saw on Channel 2 news in Maryland here, a segment about how wonderful it is getting implanted with micro chips.The reporter held a chip in her hand marveling at how small it was..Why now is Howard County offering "universal health care could it be...

I think the state wants to offer than over time push,and finally mandate micro chipping of Maryland citizens under the banner of"for your own good or some ID or security ruse.. The easiest way to do that kind of manipulating is to coerce sick and distressed people until they comply with chipping by using the access to health care as a bargaining chip. (pun & not funny)...Desperate people can and do stupid things sometimes because they are sick,scared, hurting and can't think it through because they are sick or scared and being pressured and overwhelmed..

A lot of people fear sickness or injuries for very real reasons,loathe being helpless,fear death and they fear being robbed of a financial future by greedy hospitals and doctors . So they if they are put under enough stress with pointless hassle at the wrong time..They may be more inclined to accept microchips,for health care than if they had time to think on it without the coercion of the crisis situation preoccupying their minds.Families do not always exist or have cohesion in any meaningful sense. Your own family or any family at times can be dishonorable, venal, and even murderous, but are far more often they are confused, dazed, and utterly pliable in the hands of the medical professions promising them relief. So to me it is just evil to have some company shill sitting there with a chip in a needle and a paper for you to sign your rights away acting like a gatekeeper bribing you to accept chips under your skin in exchange for access to health care when you or a loved one is hurt or sick. That is the same evil tactic that some business thugs do now.These thugs in suits are using disasters, the dislocation and disoriented people to pressure them to give up what they have ,so the greedy can take advantage of the traumatized, and greedy business to privatize public resources and buy up real estate cheap.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050502/klein
And this same old scam mentality used by common thieves holding scared people at gunpoint can still be done in a "universal health care" system just like it occurs in state/govt. programs like medicare & medicaid now.

Chips cause cancer in tissues around the chip..
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hYssebw3_FRuof2bdR1YdCo8OgXA
Yet the FDA sez it's OK!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/

Why on Earth would the FDA approve something that causes cancer and want to implant in everyone? Even newborns? Knowing that American health care is not about health or care, but about sickness and money . Even"universal" health care does not look so good to me now..

I realize that many people wish to disbelieve that the wealthy of this world crave CONTROL, but they must understand that once these people accumulate more money than they could spend in 100 lifetimes, they crave POWER and CONTROL over their subjects and subordinates.

Microchips are not always safe(FDA ignored the cancer potentials of micro chipping people btw) and they do not secure your info from ID theft,Anyone with a RIFD scanner can cop your health records..and with chips you can be drugged controlled and they can make you sick..All I can say is be wary..please.

The rich and psychopathic in this country have no conscience and they see us as expendable sheep.If the wealthy pigs cannot use you up, you get called a "consumer" which is a nice way to say "useless eater".The Latin term consumo means "eat up completely",Consumption was a wasting disease.The Nazis (like some people in corporate boardrooms and government offices) had held a collective belief that the German nation was a living organism and that its well-being was threatened by "useless eaters" and "life unworthy of life.This belief makes certain people be viewed as social liabilities.I really suspect over time "socialized" psychopathic elitist wealthy over ambitious proniod assholes will kill us off one by one,in the name of "health initiatives".
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Thompson's Medicaid Reforms Could Benefit His Employers
Last week, Tommy G. Thompson, the former secretary of health and human services, proposed overhauling Medicaid in ways that he says would be good for the country. Critics contend that some of Thompson's recommendations also could be good for companies that he works for.

Still, these days Thompson speaks not just as a former government leader but also as an executive with ties to several companies that have a hand in Medicaid.

Thompson also is chairman of the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, part of Deloitte & Touche USA LLP, a consulting firm that has contracted with states to help improve their Medicaid programs.

Thompson also is a part-owner and board member of VeriChip Corp., which makes microchips that store data and can be implanted in humans. The company might benefit if Medicaid were to embrace electronic medical records.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/07/AR2006080701088.html

BALTIMORE, MD -- Implanting human beings with microchips that contain their identification and medical records is a controversial subject.

But by the end of the year, as many as 500 kidney dialysis patients in Maryland will be equipped with microchips from Florida firm VeriChip Corp., and local hospitals will be carrying the technology to read the chips.

The project is a partnership between VeriChip and the Independent Dialysis Foundation Inc., a Baltimore-based nonprofit that operates eight dialysis centers in the state.

VeriChip has offered to implant its VeriMed microchip, the size of a grain of rice, at no cost in all the foundation's roughly 500 patients. The company also hopes to provide the readers at no cost to about 25 hospital emergency departments in the state.

In return, VeriChip — traded on the Nasdaq as CHIP — will collect effectiveness data on its product to present to insurers and the Centers for

Medicare & Medicaid

Services to try to convince them to cover the cost of the device.
http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=236204

Most recently, Dr. Langer was part of a team that developed a new microchip that can provide controlled release of single or multiple chemical substances on demand, as reported in Nature in January 1999. This is the first device of its kind to enable compounds in solid, liquid, or gel form to be stored inside a microchip, with the release of the compounds achieved on demand and with no moving parts.
http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/NewsAndReports/ResearchDigest/August2001A3.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3R-4B668XF-2&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F10%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8bf2500c60673db9636a84f655f5071c
http://www.knowledgefoundation.com/events/1111651.htm

About Digital Angel Corporation

Digital Angel Corporation (www.DigitalAngelCorp.com) develops and deploys sensor and communications technologies that enable rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of high-value assets. Applications for the Company’s products include

identification and monitoring of humans,

pets, fish, poultry and livestock through its
patented implantable microchips;

location tracking and message monitoring of vehicles and aircraft in remote locations through systems that integrate GPS and geosynchronous satellite communications; and monitoring of asset conditions such as temperature and movement, through advanced miniature sensors.

http://www.smartbrief.com/news/aaaa/industryBW-detail.jsp?id=00D6B369-6B23-4EBA-860E-8EAADF5FCA2
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4553804-1.html


http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=344
http://www.unknownnews.org/070602a-Panther.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/060710a-Panther.htm
http://www.unknownnews.org/050607a-Panther.html
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A final thought..Disconnected abstract notions,symbols of economics, have been treated as if they were real,
With "the fallacy of misplaced concreteness".
It effects how economic success is measured,
The psychopathic nature of The Market is tolerated in our economic driven world too much. Scary how many people appear to believe in this fallacy themselves.
And it is strange how all their "solutions" in interpreting the nature of human suffering and its causes is tainted by the "just world hypothesis". The bottom line is some people believe to eliminate suffering we should we remove all the sufferers . Others believe we should remedy the causes of suffering. The convergence of these philosophies and the world's need to control human population size,
(The business man says remove "useless eaters" whom the elitist thugs label as such),
The way the wealthy allocate finite resources..
(always to themselves or who have plenty),
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/08/5254_half_of_america_1.html
while using hi-tech
(microchips satellites etc)
to manipulate life and try to develop social policy (
social engineering, propaganda/"great society")
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/56543/?page=1
The beliefs that these elitists have in their heads makes them think it is necessary to interfere with or end other people's lives.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/us_government_t_2.html
(The elitist scum never dare to consider ending their own fortunate parasitic lives or their kin's lives for some reason).This hypocritical Eugenic belief system held by those in excess wealth and power presents grave dangers to the more dependent and vulnerable people,which at any point in each of our lives could be us, the consumers or 'useless eaters'.So be careful when the sate says it wants universal health care because the people creating it still might not give a damn about the people's lives and misery they exploit. But than the insurance companies, and hospitals and cheap ass employers are exploiting people that way already.The state doing it just coordinates this exploiting.Sometimes it is better corporations be broken up, monopolies suck especially corporate monopolies using a state run social safety net like a sock puppet for another agenda other than the one stated...
Even my therapist warned me about this..Chip and Bribe thing. Maybe she was not being paranoid.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x5217

:shrug:

The real ID act and bush is threatening states that won't comply Why Everything the Bush thugs have tried to do they sent up "trial balloons" to see if the public would comply,Way before Abu Gharib we saw dogs on TV dying in boxes possibly our tax dollars at work when Al queda was our "ally" fighting the Russians. That dog snuff tape was followed by a video shown over and over of this "finders" cult woman beating her child in a van in a parking lot on TV ,we got a whole bunch of torture themed movies coming out after that,the passion hostel,etc.This is how desensitization starts we get little doses of change and 'trial balloons' on TV and soon the intensity is raised until torture does not cause the outrage like it should.We became desensitized to torture. Tell me how many people on TV or around town are still talking about the tortures and rendition flights now?? It's old news.Faded out of view.But it is still happening.

Likewise this is the same social desensitizing process..Only it's with removing our rights and privacy, the political /business thugs first do little things with passports and ID,There is scares about ID theft and Banks"losing" client information,Then cameras all over the streets ,then there came ankle bracelets,for criminals,a movie combining torture and ankle bracelets(disturbia)All while news programs were encouraging people to chip their pets,than over time it's propagandized to be such a great idea to chip your elderly mother with Alzheimer's,or retarded people or diabetics or those on dialysis. Phones to track your children soon it will become a good idea to chip the mental patients so they won't be unsupervised and go kill like the virginia tech killer.The backlash against the mentally ill is rising I t was discussed on CNN and MSNBC and yes the idea of chipping the mentally ill came up..for a while in new york it was even legal to shock people against their will.
There are implants also that release drugs into you.Norplant did it years ago now Haldol can be delivered this way.
Meanwhile commercials that show a phone that has a map and a dot showing where your friends are at as the(where you at?" commercials.. It's a pattern. If you observe over time you will see it.

And if you look at the article I linked to on Thompson and who he's working for,Medicaid/Medicare and on the board of the makers of Veri Chip Coinkidink? NO hell no.

And the timing Why nOW??!!
If you just disregard what I am pointing out as impossible without even a shred of suspicion at the process I see going on and the links I gotta ask what is wrong with you?

Real ID Act has nothing to do with universal health care.

Dogs dying in boxes has nothing to do with universal health care.

Torture movies have nothing to do with universal health care.

Torture and rendition flights have nothing to do with universal health care.

You're just picking up stuff that scares you and trying to tie it to universal health care.

So you expect me to believe that there's some sort of illuminati plot to 'chip' us all via universal health care? Show me where anyone has suggested that we all must have chips before we can get health care. You might as well connect chipping the populace to access to credit, or food, or water, or travel - you'd probably be able to make a stronger case for one of those.

I'm sorry, but your idea is utterly ridiculous.

I am pointing out PATTERNS.OK. Patterns that the press, propaganda and media are using to soften people up with Desensitization that lead to people accepting things that should not be accepted. You got tunnel vision here..I was using the torture thing as an example of how people are being conditioned to be desensitized and manipulated to not pay attention to the details of the issues...
Damn.

I am not saying universal health care is bad. I am saying BUYER BEWARE.

Thompson in Maryland is involved in the universal health care medicare/medicaid programs.And he is a board member of Veri Chip.Veri Chip is being PROMOTED through news channels in Maryland. WHY?
The chip caused cancer, yet the FDA approved it anyway.
Why?
Why is the public being softened up on the chip idea?
Could it be Business interests over riding the interests of the people by posing as for our own good again? It's been done before.

VeriChip?

I'm not saying that somebody out there may want mandatory population chipping, but to link that to UHC requires leaps of mental logic that elude me.

If you're really afraid of mandatory chipping I'd recommend you focus your attention on the chip and not on Stossel-esque scare tactics against UHC.

If you are desperate and refuse to question that is YOUR problem.I am not against universal health care I am however against it being corrupted by bad business interests.And if you were not so DEFENSIVE you would see I am not "tearing down your sacred cows I am saying It would be wise to look at WHO is lobbying and why and what for ,I want to keep universal health care OUT of shady business people's hands and make sure corporations do NOT get control...
I don't like this asshole Thompson having his grubby hands BOTH in medicaid and in veri chip.Frankly it stinks , It is sickening to see a corrupting influence like Thompson being involved at all. I don't want to see scumbags involved in forming Maryland' s universal Health care.A conflict of interest I see in Thompson. And if you just wanna poo poo it all you are a fool.Go ahead blind yourself and trust the people that do not care about you know you or could very well exploit you. I for one do not trust the state or the corporation blindly just because they say shit I want to hear..

and that's all your OP is.

You wanna run around screaming with your hands in the air because of this, I can't stop you, but don't expect me to join you. I've got better things to be concerned about.

And countries with universal healthcare usually do not treat their citizens in this way.

Moreover, private companies can also restrict their employees' freedom and invade their privacy, especially if there is little choice but to work for that company or starve. There are plenty of cases of such things, from huge businesses to small families exploiting their servants. Being frorced to sell your soul to "The Company" can be worse than anything that the government does. The idea that a government will commit more sinister invasions of privacy than "The Company" or even than an individual employer is a bit of a right-wing myth, set up to frighten people into rejecting universal healthcare.

I agree health care as it is now SUCKS.
BUT the state is not to be trusted with it either because it is basically serving corporations interests not the people.Even some Dem's are corporate owned. So what would the difference be? If the state was THE provider of health care who could you appeal to if the state intruded into your life or forced you to take a chip or be cut off from services? Who could you turn to to be an alternative you could afford when there is rich people's insurance and poor insurance?? The state is the only way you or I can afford health care. I get medicare and in some ways I am thankful but in others I am not.I get crappy care sometimes.Sometimes I can't get care at all Do you know a medicaid patient died of a tooth abscess because no dentist accepts medicaid hardly?
It sounds great to get universal health care but I really do not trust the state,when it is that many people and that much money.. What if the universal health care gets cut to fund some dumb ass war, the pay so chintzy that the doctors won't or can't afford to take it.Then what? There are right wing elements that want to bankrupt the government. Think about it.

I am not saying universal health care is bad!!! What I am saying BE CAREFUL and WATCH how the states handles implement it and watch who is making money through it and who's in charge of what and why and what are their business contacts are..Caveat Emptor...and all that jazz. OK? Don't be over eager to the point you blind yourself to the more shady unsavory aspects and players of this idea, because you are scared and pissed at the stupid health care system we have right now..Look before you leap.

microchip or a noted asshole like Tommy Thompson to make it work. What it does require is some congressional muscle (we're in a lot of trouble there) and an acknowledgment by the government of this the United States of America that health care for all regardless of ability to pay is a basic human right (we're in a lot of trouble there, too).

But an asshole like Thompson is who the fuckers in the state house will hear louder than US!! Why because of the business buddy bullshit and the smell of money and perks.
Politicians are not working for US so much anymore they are bought by corporations.And WE don't got the money to lobby these assholes in power like assholes like Thompson can.Remember the control issue? We are asking they give up control.Assholes like Thompson are luring and lobbying politicians with their desires for control and money and perks. We are asking they WORK and Change the state's policies and give back these greed heads don't want to do that for real they talk a lot but funny how the money never gets down here enough to really change things..

But an asshole like Thompson is who the fuckers in the state house will hear louder than US!! Why because of the business buddy bullshit and the smell of money and perks.
Politicians are not working for US so much anymore they are bought by corporations.And WE don't got the money to lobby these assholes in power like assholes like Thompson can.Remember the control issue? We are asking they give up control.Assholes like Thompson are luring and lobbying politicians with their desires for control and money and perks. We are asking they WORK and Change the state's policies and give back these greed heads don't want to do that for real they talk a lot but funny how the money never gets down here enough to really change things..

isn't it?