Jack Reed on Moveon.org: "Moveon overreached."

This on ABC w/George Stephanopolis. Reed also said it wasn't the most effective way to get their point across.

However, he DID say that it reflects the sentiments of a majority of Americans.

Good.

If the righties had just shut up about it, the ad would have gotten very little notice in the general public.

It's the righties and the MSM that have spread the word around so thoroughly.

I am not a moveon fan but I applaud them for this ad. I just wish they had waited until the day after BetrayUs had testified. But that's a minor quibble.

the message would have been drowned out!!

What they did was on target!!

It got America talking about the rights and wrongs of this occupation!

In my opinion, that was a good thing!!

As Tahiti Nut stated:
people are still talking about the ad but they are really talking about the war!!
And if people are still talking about a weeks old ad? It IS a success!! ;)

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ones speaking out and standing by what they say...I'm so sick of all the dems backing down...no wonder the repugs think the dems are a spineless bunch.

They also have refused to recognize and cooperate with groups who have been speaking out against the war and organizing to end it for much longer than moveon has. We have had several struggles with them here in my area. They sabotaged our 4th anniversary rally in March by sending out notifications with the wrong date for the rally. It was a friggin mess. And moveon does not reply to emails or requests to sit down and work together.

Never the less, I applaud them for their ad and welcome them to our movement. Perhaps eventually they will see the value in walking alongside anti-war groups instead of cutting in line and wanting to take the lead.

across while distancing himself from the lefty veracity wing of the Democratic Parrr-ty.

I am sooooo tired of spineless Dem's whining about those who have the balls to stand up and tell it like it is regardless of who likes it or NOT. IMO, Dem's criticizing Move On is music to the ears of freepers everywhere. If Reed and Biden and the others I have heard criticizing the Move On AD would act like the opposition party they are supposed to be then it wouldn't be necessary for others to do that for them.

of Liberals that continue to hand Republicans the stick to beat us with.

In case you haven't noticed, we have won only 3 of the last
10 presidential elections. That is because the GOP has
successfully portrayed liberals as hostile to and undermining of the
military, and by extension, lax on security.

The meme they are trying to put out now is,
"withdraw from Iraq, = betray the military".

Gen Petraus was thrust to the front EXACTLY to draw this kind of fire,
and MoveOn, ( Who I have generally supported) obliged.

HE and our other soldiers are the ones that have been used and betrayed by the administration.

A much more effective ad would have been
"How Bush Betrayed Petraus ".

have mine, I have noticed how many elections the Dem's have pissed away their chance of success. Its because IMO, they act like the sissies on a play ground that cower in the corner every time the bullies bark at them. When the Dem's realize that Politics is a dirty game and in order to stay in the game they have to have the balls to stand up tell it like it is and FIGHT BACK then they will start have much more success.

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I'm surprised that you would make a statement like that.

Over on HumanEvents.com I just blew some rightwinger out of the water when he started on about how General Smedley Butler's Medals of Honor weren't worth anything.

The righties will say *anything* about anyone in the military that doesn't toe the righty line politically.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I would rather be with Kerry, who consistently says that it is not right - when speaking of McCain, Cleland, or Petraeus. He also took a related position when in a beautiful, heart felt speech he begged the 1992 candidates not to re-open the wounds of Vietnam for political gain. Here, he used his credibility to ask his friend, Senator Kerrey, not to attack people, who out of conscience did not serve in a war they didn't support.

We lose our moral high ground in saying swiftboating is wrong when we allow snarky, juvenile attacks on career military people. Kerry in countering a McCain statement on the Ed Shultz show that attempted to blame Casey and Rumsfeld for bad policy, pointed out that McCain praised Bush's abilities as CIC and the generals do not get to have their own policies. The ad itself makes many good points, but they are lost because of the attention given to name calling, which will not move people in the middle, and because it changes our adversary from Bush to Petraeus. I would rather fight Bush.

How do you plan on stopping a private organization from doing what they wish to do with their own money?

Note that John Kerry took the high road and was defeated.

Bush has made Petraeus the "designated hitter" on Iraq so to speak.

Fight Petreaeus and you are fighting Bush.

I don't think Kerry lost because he took the high ground, I think he lost in spite of it. He needed to appear to be an acceptable President and he did this in spite of the media against him. Part of the reason he did this well was that he could be seen as an honorable, decent man. That was and is a major asset. By November, only the right wing freepers believed the SBVT. That was ultimately best fought by facts. The help he could have used was far more defense than he got from other Democrats.

If you read and compare the charges that Kerry leveled against the Bush administration to those levied by anyone else, you would find that he hit as hard as anyone else. He may have had a politer facade but he did speak the truth.

who are fighting to preserve our Democracy from the cheatin', lyin', murdering fascists who stole the last two fucking elections.

by drinking the bush koolaid and spouting the pro-war/pro-death message bush wanted him to spout.

Pretty spooky coming from a member of a "representative" govt.

a traitor. They might believe that he'll put a happy spin on Iraq for Chimpy, but they don't believe the character assassination. Don't project what YOU think onto the rest of the country.

Besides, MoveOn isn't by or for people like Reed and Stephanopolis--it's about the rest of us, and we don't need the MSM's blessing.

Call it "trickle up media." The Internet has given VOTERS a skin in the political game (is it any wonder that Bush wants to shut it down?) and the MSM would do better to do more listening to our voices--or we'll stop listening to THEM.

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He said he wished that the Move On people had spoken to him first

He would have explained what the General's role really was.

He made a football analogy. Bush is the coach and Petraeus is the quarterback.

He made a lot of sense.

loses the game for his team.

:headbang:
rocknation

if they don't do as their told

That was what Gen. Clark was explaining.

You don't have to agree, but it was his assessment.

imho

the way they should comment on that ad.

and roll over.

As long as the Democrats permit themselves to be bullied
then lay down and roll over---The GOP will stay in charge.

Who is going to vote for a weakkneed "scared" party to
run the country????

or maybe they did. And the M$M were the ones who spread the 'msg', couldn't have asked for better simps IMO.

Instead of listening to the bastard Repukes. They hate it, because it told the truth.