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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:45 PM Original message |
Matt Stoller: Liberals That Bash Moveon |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Mark Shields is essentially Alan Colmes |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please, we are not Republicans |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. It has nothing to do with repubs vs. Democrats |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
81. Great Point..I never thought |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. John Kerry praised the activists, endlessly |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Where was he yesterday when the big protest was happening? n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yeah, it's never enough |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Not one Democratic politician was willng to stand with us. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. You realize that includes people like Dennis |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Yes, I realize that. |
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nosmokes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. Yes they should have! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Where was Kerry - Kerry was on MTP giving the clearest |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
74. exactly, Kerry |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. There is a reflexive strain anong Democrats to assume |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yup. Everytime republicans tut-tut, Democrats wring their hands and start ripping on Democrats... |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm good with the ad. The swift boats got a bunch of TV ads during 2004. |
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wellst0nev0ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
71. You Forgot Three Words |
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GR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Lakoff Said It Was On Target...I Agree |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. This is the first mis-step of Elizabeth Edwards and it was a bad one. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. How horribly dishonest of Stoller. Just blech. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I really respect Frank Rich, but he isn't a god either. This article |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. He's certainly not a god, but he is one of the most |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Edwards said: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I don't see that as bashing. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. this just kills me |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Thank you!!!! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. It is politically incorrect to criticize the tinware and ribbon bedecked generals. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Ass-kissing little chickenshits |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
18. Moveon should be thrown under the bus. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. If you choose to once again "trash the liberal base" then democrats should NOT be surprised when |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Move on.org is not being swift boated |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I'll repeat: In politics, you err on the side of "no comment" rather than disrespect your base. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. I still say you are over reacting |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Why do you worry whether the liberal base is trashed? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. OMG! The LIBERALS have been the DLC's favorite whipping post for years! |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. Add to that Dem Senators like |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. So you definition of "stupidity" is speaking TRUTH to POWER? nt |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Nice try, ShortnFiery |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Then WE ALL lose. The Republicans WIN because they do not disrespect ANYone within their base. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. "republicans are disciplined" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Then, I respectfully suggest that some of you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. One number for you, shorty: |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I'm not whining, and I thought you told me that you would not respond to me anymore? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. I'm not saying we should disrespect the target. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The ONLY true reason that the tactics backfired - which still remains to be seen, in full, |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. You are in denial, IMO. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Have you served in the military? I fear that far too many civilians have STARS in their eyes |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Deleted sub-thread |
Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. OMG |
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VP505 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. How is asking |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
20. Blatant bias and dishonesty in this statement |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That's what our Democratic Party leaders have never embraced - a tragic flaw/mistake. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Neither Elizabeth Edwards or Kerry disrespected the "base" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That's the BIG Lie. MoveOn.org NEVER called him that, it was a question. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. His opinion is that he didn't like the ad! None of this addresses the blatant lie in Stoller's piece |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. That's the reason POLITICIANS know that you do NOT parse words toward members of your base. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Why because the base is prone to lying? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Our Base = The MoveOn.org Ad was TRUTHFUL. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. A lot of people in the base thought the ad was ill-timed and not helpful. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. The Base = political strategists, et. al. mostly within the beltway. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
76. Moveon is necessarily independent |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Kerry did not parse words |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
47. If those are your sentiments you |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Cali, you told me that you would not respond to me. What's up with that? nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Really, it's not that tough to figure out. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. You broke your promise to me. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. I did not say they did |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. It doesn't seem that you're very fond of liberals within the party ... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Actually you did - |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. No, I only accused Kerry, et. al. of parsing their words and thereby giving the RW permission to ... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Don't you get it? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. What I don't understand is your PROMISE to put me "on ignore" has been broken. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Nope. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:08 AM Original message |
We both know that you did promise me to not respond. That's O.K. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
63. Actually, I don't recall making you any sort of promise |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Well, I won't tell stories out of school. Suffice to say - the truth is out there. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I suspect that we have a lot more in common than that which |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You made me smile. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
30. Great post! I couldn't believe so many wimpy Democrats criticized MoveOn.org for their ad. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Freedom of speech never meant you would not be criticized for what you said |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Ironically enough, the same goes for General Protreus... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. exactly - and Kerry NEVER said that Petraeus should not be questioned |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
83. I never even mentioned Kerry in my comment. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
80. Recommended!~ I like what Jane |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
84. I don't see what Edwards |
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