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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:47 PM
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FEARS GROW FOR BRITISH ECONOMY AS PANIC OVER RUN ON BANK SPREADS (Guardian UK)
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 08:51 PM by redacted
US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson flies in to London tomorrow to discuss the worsening global credit crisis with Chancellor Alistair Darling, as fears intensify that the lending squeeze could be the last straw for Britain's buy-now-pay-later economy.

Thousands of anxious customers queued outside branches of Northern Rock to withdraw their savings this weekend, ignoring calls for calm from Darling, after he helped broker an unprecedented emergency loan from the Bank of England to rescue the bank.

City economists warned that a decade-long borrowing binge had left the UK economy dangerously exposed to the fallout from the credit crunch. 'I think the UK is extremely vulnerable to this,' said Danny Gabay, director of consultants Fathom. 'The UK has a double vulnerability. We are vulnerable because of our hugely over extended consumer sector, and because of our large financial services sector.

'This is a financial market event; but the longer it goes on, the greater the risk that it becomes a real economy event - and I think we are at a tipping point.'

more
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,2169906,00.html ((
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:49 PM
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1. *Gulp*
This crisis of confidence is how the Depression started.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:15 PM
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10. George Bush is how MY depression started!
How come DU has been so far out front on this stuff for so long, and the rest of the world is just discovering it? We've been posting about is coming for at least a year now.

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:02 AM
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18. Check out "global credit markets" under Google News Search....
It's an eye opener
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:50 PM
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2. This could get scary....n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:51 PM
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3. Their fear simply compounds the problem.
n/t

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:55 PM
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4. Ruh Roh...
I know it's coming...just don't let it be so soon...
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:57 PM
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5. A couple of thousand years down the road would
be preferable...
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:58 PM
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6. wait til hits the USA!!
They cannot contain this news much longer here..
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:04 PM
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7. (You're in the Theater..Previews) "They thought they were safe...
.."They had little idea what was coming...and it was coming fast"
"The English won't be so prim and proper when it hits"

Starts Sept 17

Also starting October 4..."America's Middle Class gets a 2X4 Stuck up its Ass"

Enjoy the Show. Visit out Concession Stand for Popcorn (6 Dollars) and a Cool Refreshing drink (3.50)
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:10 PM
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9. Dang! I just bought a car!
This is going to be a mess if it hits the US.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:05 PM
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8. all of those big McMansions in the UK
many of them, if not the majority of them are financed with ARMs. The problem is not just here in the USA, it is all over the world!

Welcome to the global economy!

:scared:

:dem:

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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:16 PM
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13. UK
95% of all mortgages in the UK are ARM's. The British Central Bank has had to increaqse the prime lending rate 6 times in the last year. It's only a metter of time. BTW, I think McMansions are in the US, not the UK. I think they actually have real mansions there.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:32 PM
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23. there are plenty of them in Ireland
nice thing to build on the spots where those old castles once stood. :sarcasm:

Sadly, this is true. Will they build some on Tara next is the question? I rather doubt it as the bubble hath popped there too.

They have built many huge homes in Ireland in recent years and many of these newly built gigantic homes are now vacant as they were financed with ARMs. These houses are there still yes, but no one is living in them as the banks now own them.

Pretty sad IMO and they aren't cheap either (going for over 300,000 Euros at least).

Grim alright, grim everywhere, not just in the USA. :(

:kick:
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:14 PM
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14. There are very few McMansions in the UK. More likely a lot of 3-bedroom semis,
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 11:16 PM by WritersBlock


AKA "duplexes" in the States, are financed via those ARMs. Hardly the same thing.

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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:39 PM
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16. Well, in the nothern UK, they are MacMansions...
:)
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:26 AM
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20. .


Aye, that's where ours is ;)

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:26 AM
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19. UK real estate is by far more overpriced than the US market
expect a bloodbath...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:16 AM
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22. Our friends own two homes north of London, she says
the prices are HYPER-inflated and outright ridiculous. Look for the bubble to burst, just like in the USA.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:04 AM
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24. My cousin had a place just outside of London. He FLED to Australia last year.
Best decision he ever made. Unfortunately, he was unable to sell
the "semi-detached" house, and is renting it out. On the positive
side, he is making buckets of money in Australia.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:26 PM
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26. Our friends were transferrred to Germany
So they have both places rented out, but they are starting to get a little nervous with the run on banks there. I hope they don't lose their shirts! We exited the US market just in time, otherwise our house would have worth alot less than it was when we sold it.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:20 PM
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11. Wouldn't it be progressively ...
interesting to entertain the notion of a potential in this economic crisis? One that runs counter, in a Populist way, to the implications?

Just at the Colonies created their own currency, if The People decided, well, that long-term entrepreneurial venture by big money, Elite families, and huge, controlling, Global, mega-banks, has failed! Time to toss it and endure the potential chaos in a new light. The People could, in tandem, vocalize a new fiat for the economy and its currency. In fact, this kind of chaos and breakdown is either about depression/Depression, or the simple realization that not only is money simply an abstract, intermediary contract between people, goods, and services, to allow it to be manipulated as if it were real and close to concrete is the root of all "evil" when it comes to its acceptance and overemphasis as if it is a false idol of worship.

So, the opportunity arises. It has a slim chance of becoming a reality, but then, voluntary changes like this with slim chances have had success. When something heavy starts to sink and you have your rope tied to it, either you cut the rope, or you will surely sink with. This is not at all that far-fetched if people could grassroot the idea and see that we don't have to go down withe anchor that Capitalism and Plutocracy have thrown for us, expecting us to follow it into the abyss they have fomented.

And there is the key! You either believe in the money and the system as unquestionably real, or understand that they are arbitrary ways for doing business and translating one thing, temporarily, into another. It is simple, but maybe that is why they say that the LOVE of money, (not money itself) is the root of all "evil", (read: usury, booms, busts, breadlines, etc.)

If you love the stuff, then you too have missed the point and have a false idol in your midst. No, I am neither religious nor atheistic. The metaphors are merely common and appropriate.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:45 PM
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12. Good "Thinking" Post..MatrixEscape ! I agree..
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:51 PM
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17. Thank you!
You are then, probably, one in a million and we need more that that, don't we?

Birds of a feather. Kindred spirits. Yet, why are our compatriots falling into the Matrix of control without barely a moan or a whisper when their voices should be shouting loud enough to drown out the inane cacophony of the corporate media blitz that helps to keep almost everyone silent and complacent when the call to action is so very loud?

We have a crisis in our midst, and most Americans still play a game that only gives tokens for survival and exchanges propaganda for real, impending, vital concerns.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:54 AM
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21. Interesting post.... For two decades the obsession with Money & Power
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 08:54 AM by KoKo01
that comes with it has taken over. Captitalism is good...Printing money when it's needed is good...

"money is the root of all evil." An old expression...but a good one. What IF this could be a turning point?

Thanks for your post!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:30 PM
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15. The central bank has bailed out Northern Rock....happened last 30 years ago....
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 11:41 PM by Flabbergasted
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:11 AM
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25. Thank gods for that
I know it's a bubble, I know it has to burst eventually but as someone likely to be under it when it does, I'm glad it's not right now.
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