Guidebook to good citizenship during a Q&A session, based on a few DU posts

First, be disruptive to the extent police attention is fixed on you. One good method of ensuring this is to force your way through to the front of the line for asking questions, depriving as many people as you wish of their chance to participate. After all, you are far more important than anyone else and therefore not bound by the fascist rules of propriety. Next, ask a series of rhetorical questions and refuse to allow any opportunity for an answer, all while subverting the ostensible purpose of a Q&A session to force a frustrated, captive audience to listen to your longwinded and ill-reasoned polemic, again depriving them of any chance to ask their own questions or indeed to hear any -answers- to your questions, which may in fact be -good questions-.

Next, when the cops try to -walk- you off the stage, fight back! Throw elbows! Scream and kick! You don't want answers to your questions, you want more mic-time, or, failing that, to cause a huge scene and therefore ruin the chance of anyone else to experience the actual -event- or ask a question by disrupting it as much as possible. Don't listen if the speaker says "It's alright, I'll answer the question" or "It'd be best if everyone could calm down" while the cops are trying to subdue you--fight back, and scream. The purpose of constantly fighting back and screaming as though you're being drawn and quartered is to provoke an overreaction. Get tased or beaten, if possible--that level of overreaction is your only chance of significant press coverage. Accuse the cops of breaking your arm, scream loudly into cameras they can't kill you because people know you are there.

And now, an event that was ostensibly about the speaker answering people's questions can be all about you. Claim the questions were too hot to be answered (though you did everything possible to avoid hearing an answer), claim the cops had no reason to try and walk you off the stage, claim the speaker should have used his psychic powers to determine you were being tased in the back of the room, and accuse him of complicity, cowardice, and/or apathy. When the speaker later releases a statement lamenting the police overreaction, say "Too late!" and "Why wouldn't he answer my question?" though of course you did everything to avoid an answer.

See? Flawless.

Very good.

Hum, maybe some day I can work for Fatherland Security and "pass judgments" on WHICH AMERICANS are NOBEL enough to be granted CIVIL RIGHTS?

"All Americans are afforded Civil Rights to not be brutally treated once subdued. Yes, even the assholes and jerks.

Who makes the call?

Answer: The Founders demand ALL AMERICANS are worthy of Civil Rights.

he deserved to be removed for being a jerk.

He got tazed for fighting the police.

punishments ... oh it's such a "pretty world" for Americans - Post 9/11 Police State? :thumbdown:

he broke away from them? That's when they tackled him and tazed him.

To pretend he was quietly cooperating is just silly.

But what the hell, the guy was A JERK, and we all know that "JERKS aren't afforded the same rights as us *real* Americans. :shrug:

they tazed him. On one of the videos you hear the camerawoman say he has a tazer on his chest and then its 11 seconds after that when they taze him.(on the ground at least 11 seconds )They could have easily put his hands behind his back with all those good size officers trained to do so. They chose to give him the IRS bitch slap and make sure to make an example of him and make sure that he would then become one of the quiet people in the future.

We have laws and a system, yes the system is broke but officers should not be permitted to give their own punishments before being proven guilty. Thats not their job.

When I was 14 I got in trouble for destruction of property ( graffiti ). Cops came I ran around the corner into another one coming up the street. I stopped where I was at because I knew I was caught and waited for them. I was then slammed to the ground, had cuffs put on me as tight as they would go on and then pick up by the cuffs. Of course as a 14 year old, I knew I was wrong but I couldn't understand why the cops were doing it to me, it hurt! My wrists near the hands were cut up and bruised from it. When I went to the juvenile courts office the next week, I still had the marks and scabs on my wrists. When the juvenile officer saw them, she looking concerned asked me if the marks were from cuffs, I said yes and explained what they did and she was pissed. After that, even though my mother offered to pay or have me physically clean the area, she decided not to prosecute or make us pay for the damages because of what was done to me.

Yes I was wrong but is it acceptable to have officers institute physical penalties? I think not!

Calmly being walked off, listening to the candidate's answer, and then -not- being arrested would be so boring. Scream and kick! Throw those elbows!

We're not talking about riots in the street, but a college campus and a snotty resistor.

He doesn't deserve to be tased because you didn't like his manners!

Knock yourself out - I hope Homeland Security gives you "law and order" types high CIVIL RIGHTS scores. The way you JUDGE others, we'll all be assigned a number score that makes us "more or less" worthy of FULL Civil Rights - sort of like our credit rating. :scared:

He got walked by the cops for being an asshat.

He resisted the walk, threw elbows, shoved, and tried to break away from them several times.

The cops overreacted to the second one. Not to his merely being an asshat.

for some here to get the impression that you feel he "deserved it" regardless of the large force of officers present and the fact that he was unarmed. After all he had those "dangerous elbows out" although they did not POKE into anyone. My goodness, those SIX burly men had to taze him after he had his belly prostrate on the floor and handcuffed. After all, he was a jerk, with elbows. ;)

Including the OP.

we, at times, wish they didn't. However, for you and me, that's often a good thing. Who would decide who is and is not - a jerk? :shrug:

He gave everybody in that room a story they can tell their grandkids...

Fuck arrogant punks. The U.S. Constitution has absolutely no provision for behavior of his sort. What the fuck did he think he was doing? Speaking his mind like that.

America! Fuck yeah! Arrest -Kerry-, man!

any officer. Again, how many times do I have to say SIX = 6 = 6x full size Police Officers? In "cops school" it only takes 3 at the most to GRAB a subject and subdue them - like WITHOUT the tazer. Using a tazer on a unarmed, non-violent subject is, at the very least, LAZY and SLACK police work. At the most, you could KILL your subject - 50,000 volts is not like being pinched or even punched. It's devastating to one's nervous system.

Therefore, the first inclination - especially if you have SIX Police Officers is to swarm and take down the subject. Again, he was tazed after he was cuffed = a big NO NO! = Punishment.

And can you dispense with the idea "he was tased for asking a question"? The guy was getting at most a walk-off, and his resisting -that- with violent behavior got him the police overreaction. Still waiting for that quote of me supporting the tasing, by the way.

Our argument is over "the tasing" - nothing else.

Other than that, I think that SIX cops were quite SLOPPY at taking him down because they are also taught "pressure point" take downs too. Sloppy for six cops - when two sharp, well trained ones could have grabbed him smartly and carried him out. :shrug:

:hi:

as yours. In that regard, I was wrong. Damn, that hurt. :( :blush:

Still, have a good night. :hi:

Dudeman had his arms in the air as to indicate the lack of weapon or force while six armed officers tried to subdue him. He kept asking "What did I do?! What did I do?! Are you kidding me?!" and those questions seemed genuine to me. Then they tasered him while he was lying on the ground, immobile. I've seen the video twice and not once did I see an offensive physical move on his part TOWARD the police, except for trying to avoid being taken into custody - but I guess you could call that "fighting" the police.

I know this sucks, but I actually sympathize with the asshole (and yes, he WAS an asshole). JMO, though.

I don't even really agree he should have gotten "walked" for being a douchebag. But knowing cops, the thing to do at that point is to be calm. I don't agree with what cops are allowed to do when people -aren't- calm and submissive towards them, but he may have gotten his question answered (which was a fair question), and other people might not have had the event completely ruined for them if he had just been less physically combative at that point.

Let's make up and do a Neil Young cover--"One tazed in Ohio..."

And his tone and bearing just screamed "attention whore." Maybe he should have just calmly accepted his the police escort from the hall, but he wasn't being overly demonstrative until AFTER the police came to grab him.

Thwn again, I just read that he was being disruptive before the cameras rolled, and Kerry allowed him to return to the podium after the police had taken him away...so maybe he had a an arrest coming to him, but certainly not a six cop pigpile and a taserblast while already sudbued - I mean, that's some Rodney King shit!

Hell, maybe we can commission David Crosby to write a tuneless, meandering dirge in honor of the cops. We can call it "Almost Tazed a Punk."

amendment rights.

To bad that tazer didn't somehow hit all of em.

freepers...



To: indcons
He should be grateful he was at a Kerry speech, and not a Hillary speech. His family would be making funeral arrangements by now.
5 posted on 09/18/2007 4:43:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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learn to keep their mouths shut or ask naive questions.

He pushed ahead to the front of the line (depriving all others of their chance to speak), made a scene, refused to allow Kerry a chance to answer, and then when the cops tried to walk him he freaked out, pushed and shoved around and then the cops overreacted and tased him. It wasn't the content of the questions, it was his behavior.

First off I need to state. That I believe that there is a time and place for everything, open defiant dissent takes place on the streets, not in in the forum. Now I respect people who want an open dialogue and intelligent discussion and I hate people who want to antagonize and talk over people. Usually I see this behavior on fox news and from the right wing. When it comes from someone who claims to represent my party it gets blood pressure up. I hate it when people say antagonizing things to wrong people and try to incite violence or act in a violant manner (such as yelling at people and asking accusing questions even if those questions have already been answered). Plain and simple this kid was an arrogant twit who was having a massive power trip. Also like I stated before I think the tazering, however appropriate for the little twit was over the line, but also this kid should know better in the police state we live in that if he is going to ask questions he should not antagonize and defiantly not appear to be unhinged like he was and you know what when six burly men grab you….don’t fight back…go limp and voice your protestations loudly because unless everyone else jumps on the policeman’s backs you’re the one who is going to lose in the physical sense. It’s his own fault for resisting arrest and for struggling even when they had the tazer on his chest, when you grab someone you can tell how tense they are or not. If he would have relaxed and stated “im not going to struggle” they would have calmly walked him out. Instead the bugger got tased, maybe hell know better next time to not bring a knife to a gun fight.