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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:26 PM Original message |
You're not supporting a war with Iran if you dislike Ahmadinejad. nt. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'd say you're not NECESSARILY supporting a war.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. My personal views have never influenced our foriegn policy |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Though there are plenty who lack the talent of nuanced thinking who actually believe that. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. And you don't have to cut off dialog with Iran if their president is odious |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
70. True that. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. No, but a lot of people who want a war with Ahmadinejad... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. You are facilitating a war by allowing the Right to dilute opposition to its war. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. So if I don't like him, I'm helping start a war with Iran? |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Read the post again and try to think about it before you respond. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So if somebody dislikes him, they shouldn't say so? nt |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Wrong. Read the post again and try to think about it before you respond. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Read my post again and try not to be condescending when you respond. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Yes, you would be better served by keeping your hatred to yourself at the moment. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I don't understand why it is so hard to see what is going on for some? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Free speech = pro-war with Iran?!? |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You have to love Hitler and hate Stalin, or love Stalin and hate Hitler |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Wrong. Opposing a war threatened by Hitler (and probably sought by Stalin) means excusing yourself |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Thank you. n/t |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. How about just speaking the truth about both Hitler and Stalin? |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Of course. But to pretend that everyone doesn't already know the truth about Ahmedinijad may be a |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Unfortunately, it's clear that not everyone knows the truth about Iran. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. What truth are we pretending not to see? That it's highly imperfect? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. "Highly imperfect." That's a new euphemism for killing and torturing children. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Your liberal sensibilities are being played like a fiddle. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. "take a little break" |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. As in "Don't look now, but you are getting royally played." n/t |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Wrong. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Funny when they are the same opinions that they are supposed to form. |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. It's not hard to understand. It's just easier to take a side in a propaganda-driven society. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
62. Wrong, I have plenty of hate to go around n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Nobody likes Ahmadinejad. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I'm sorry to see that many DUers are chiming in today |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
81. And if they do? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Actually, lies and deliberate papering over of facts are used to sell wars, too. |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. Thank you so much, I just don't have the ability to put into words sometimes what needs to be said. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. And you are not a freeper |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Thank you! |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. feel free to post LEGIT cites of chavez terrorizing his people.. |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Got all night? Good, 'cause this might take a while... |
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Riktor (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. AMEN...nt |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
18. And just because I think Ahmadinejad deserves to be respectfully heard does not mean that I like him |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I have no idea if I would like him personally. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. I think it is vitally important that he is respectfully heard. I think it is vitally important that |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
23. Thanks, but I speak Obviously fluently. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. Not if you choose your own talking points... |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. Binary thinkers will disagree. n/t |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. If you can say "I dislike Ahmadinejad, but I will not accept demonizing him as pretext for war" |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. I don't think that is so hard to do. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Maybe. But I'm seeing far too many posters just gleefully giving into their lizard brains and |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Would you consider the Human Rights Council denunciation to be |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Look, Iran is a repressive theocracy. It sucks. Saudi Arabia sucks too. So does China. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
82. The criticisms are true, what warmongers do with that isn't our fault. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
31. Then why bother to do it in public? nt |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
32. Too many people have the mindset |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And they wonder why people don't take us seriously as the "loony left" |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Frankly, it's downright embarassing. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Yes, unless we ALL join the regularly scheduled Two Minutes Hate, |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. What are you talking about? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Maybe we'd rather not be forced to voice our profound disgust at another nation |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Um -- but that is the *point* if this thread |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. You couldn't be more wrong. Americans support wars against countries they |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
83. Where did this idiotic "two minutes of hate" slogan come from? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. From Geroge Orwell's meaningly novel "1984" |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Oh, so you're simply misusing an existing phrase, then. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Read the book. The parallels between Goldstein and our Two Minutes Hate subjects -- |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. You know, that's an excellent quote. I'm going to save that one. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. Your message will fall on deaf ears |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. However, you ARE joining the Bush scripted and corporate media sponsored Two Minutes Hate. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
40. This fact is too difficult for some DUers to grasp. |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. Some of the responses on this thread |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. What's stupid is doing free PR for the Two Minutes Hate on DU. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Thank you! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. This is crazy! |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. How about just pointing out that you've seen this war lure before and |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Nobody's luring me. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Bullshit. "Sodamn Insane" = the only effective PR justification for the Gulf War! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 07:14 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Do you not believe one can dislike someone without wanting to bomb them? nt |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Do you not believe that the characterization of Ahmadinejad as an insane |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. If so, is that working? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. So how do we deal with leaders of other countries who are bad, or in this |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. Yes! Thank you! I feel like I'm constantly beating my head against a wall here on DU. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I'm sorry, but that is just crazy to me. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I'm sorry too, because you are SO not getting the point. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Okay, let's try multiple choice. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Yes, you've misunderstood. Ahmadinejad is irrelevant, what's relevant is observing how and why and |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. That would be answer #1. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. If you're not pushing back against the propaganda campaign, you're enabling the war to happen. |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
89. Two Minute Hate. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. And the irony |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. That is NOT what I am doing, nor others, its just glaring obvious that |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
88. It isn't what you are doing? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Thank you for injecting some reality into this. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
75. Especially since he doesn't have any real power |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
77. Only on DU does that not go without saying |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
80. Singling him out gives him too much importance |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Great post! It's a pleasure to hear from another DUer who "gets it". |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
97. Agreed. I dislike Bush and Cheney, and I don't support a war with the USA. |
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