"Hillary detractors are just parroting RW talking points."

Uh-huh. The RW tries to paint her as an ultra-liberal. Which we don't think she is. Hell, which we KNOW she isn't. Even her more ardent supporter must agree she's not "far-left." She's socially liberal and tends towards conservatism on foreign policy and free trade issues.

So, tell me, precisely, how parroting RW talking points any way addresses the issues liberals have against her--namely the very things that she agrees with the RW on in general?

Am I goofy or does this accusation make NO sense at all?

Which I totally disagree with. She can totally win.

I just don't think that would be a terribly good thing.

And also don't think it's a terribly good thing. Not terribly BAD either, but... :shrug:

Socially liberal but won't use government to advance health insurance for everyone, for example.

Social liberals with fiscal conservatism appears a conflict, to me.


Won't lift a finger to repeal and replace Medicare Part D leaving retired and disabled middle class medicare part D exiles who refuse to sign up for the medicare part D social security benefit cut, to pay for their own medication.

Sometimes I wish that Abe Lincoln did not fight to preserve the union but rather free the black slaves and invite every black slave and free these good people in the north.

Then we would see mostly white slavery in the south. How Amusing.


Hillary appears just another pea in the corporate shell game that appears to go on.

The corporations now are shifting the shells or the shills, hehe and no matter which pea gets elected, it will appear beholden to them.

My solution: take the fight to the largest corporations and mass boycott them and make legislative demands of them because we the people ultimately give corporations power with our purchases, which they in turn use this money against us.

She is going to WIN...... I know this from deep within my intuitive heart. I have seen her POWER when she was in Ohio last May, I saw up front and personal the network web she has weaved....Power is an understatement.

She has organized this campaign as good as the young Roman boy, Octavian/Augustus Ceasar did against Pompi and Mark Anthony after the murder of Julius Ceasar.

She organized that very well.

candidates would cream their jeans for such an edge. Kucinich too.

You're content to lose your country to the corporations.

Some of us aren't.

You KNOW you want to!

Marching to the tune of Mobil/Exxon and all the other lovely contributors.

And what a tune it is....

:nuke:

the F**king Corporations' bottom line. :(

ewwww.

is that ok to say, I mean, honestly, you're using female ejaculate to make a point., I daresay I could not do the same.

Than support of a political candidate. Kinda frightening really.

:thumbsup:

incontinently with fear.:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :wow:

You seem to be losing your grip on reality just a wee bit. I mean really. You felt her power? We are starting to delve into the realm of crystal pyramid hats and sacred herbs aren't we?

I would apologize for the snark, as it is not my normal style, but then you DID inquire about the state of my Fruit of the Looms so you gotta expect some eh?

bears a lot of resemblance to the very thing that many of us are trying to get away from?

Think about how the other side of the aisle uses personality attacks to gain power, and look back through your posts.

It may be a revelation to you.

That is one of the most frightening posts I've read at DU, and I've been here a long time.

I can recognize who has it and who definitely does not have it....You have Envy....I recognize that.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton

Frank Herbert--God Emperor of Dune

I think I'll keep reading your amusing posts.

or magnetism. They are strong, dedicated, focused individuals, and that's got to come across when one is with them 'up close and personal'.

So I don't dispute that Hillary has power, I just don't think she has the patent on it.

Maybe you're confusing power with money.

"She has organized this campaign as good as the young Roman boy, Octavian/Augustus Ceasar did against Pompi and Mark Anthony after the murder of Julius Ceasar"

Didn't that end in a civil war?

By all means, let's make Hillary EMPEROR! All Hail Hillary!

:hi:

Damn. Why didn't I ask your heart which candidate to support? That would've saved everybody a lot of time.

sort of like saying Paris hilton is a celebrity for being famous.

she can win, but IMHO she should not win as she would just further the neocon/corporate agenda

job is to help support the candidate we want to win. Any of our Dems will win.

Just like the Clintons do.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5992.html

and you think it's hell.

I hear that all the time from them.

:crazy:

Those radical hippies just HATE America.

You need to stop giving orders to those who already agree with you.

:rofl:

>>Am I goofy or does this accusation make NO sense at all?>>>

Alert the next time you see it.

Hillary supporters seem to equate all criticism of Hillary with the right wing.

It is sorta like: A. Right wingers criticise Hillary. B. Left wingers criticise Hillary. Therefore, left wingers are right wingers.

Somewhere, there is a logical fallacy I believe.

Right wingers don't like Hillary. However, it does not follow that left wingers who don't like Hillary, or even moderate-wingers who don't think she can win....are parroting right wing talking points. I know this is what some Hillaristas want us to believe.

The fact remains the main stream corporate media has annointed her the front runner even before 04 was over. She has been annointed the inevitable front runner ever since, by the right wing. The HOPE she is the candidate, since she is the one who can unite their party in a common crusade and put fire in their bellies.

The right wing talking point is that Hillary is going to be the nominee. And they are already dusting off their testosterone as to who can best beat her, now that she has been apparently installed as the nominee.

Heir Apparent today?

Sean Hannity and Tweety have been singing her praises as a candidate for years. Does that give no one else pause?

Hillary is destined to become the Democratic candidate for President in 2008, just as she is destined to mobilize the right and many on the left against her.

We are being led down a garden path here. I don't know why this isn't obvious to more people.

is that she may be too socially liberal and fiscally conservative to win. Alot of independent and Republican voters now days tend towards being more open towards government involvement in the economy than what Hillary proposes. With some conservatives it really is about the three G's, and they are all social issues. Her image on the right is of an ivory tower elite preaching down their values, not their beliefs about the economy. She had the "nerve" after all to write a book telling them how children should be raised, after all. Plus she's tainted by the Clinton name and all the ill-will a Republican dominated media and Congress could drum up for 8 years.

Clinton was tied with FDR as most popular President of the 20th century. His administration was the cleanest administration since Teddy Roosevelt.

So, in saying Hillary is "tainted," you are proving the OP wrong by repeating RW talking points. This strange behavior makes Hillary haters stand out like sore thumbs at DU.

:hi:

"Hillary is too shrill"
"Hillary can't win"
"Hillary is too ambitious"
"Hillary is too cold"
"Hillary is too calculating"

That's my favorite

and i think she has a similar plan to end the war.

It's very tedious, isn't it?

Ain't it lovely?

That's what we have to go on, isn't it?

.... But some people prefer it to "she sounds" and "she leans" and whatever other mental pictures might conjure outta their asses.

That voting record?

And of course the Iraq war vote was craptacular. Just like it was with most of the other top-tier candidates. Yet you don't hear people calling THEM "republican" or "conservative". Why the difference? It has nothing to do with how she votes. It's just that you all KNOW she's conservative.

And, yeah, her hawk-like tone on Iran, her inability to say that the Iraq War was a fucking mistake from the jump, her support for the flag burning amendment, and her concern about Grand Theft Auto when the Constitution was in the toilet? Pretty conservative.

... And of course, that damned Bankruptcy Bill. :rofl:


EDIT: Anything to avoid the cognitive dissonance which would ensue from looking at her entire record.

Edwards voted for it. I'm not happy about THAT. She abstained and now she can say she didn't vote for it. But she sure as hell didn't oppose it either.

And, yeah, stupid shit like the flag burning amendment and Grand Theft Auto when we have FAR bigger fish to fry is pretty significant. Not to mention the hawkish attitude toward Iran AND Iraq.

I get that you don't agree. So what? So far you're playing the part of the Lord of Misrule and don't have anything constructive to contribute to any discussion. If I want an imp, I'll bring my own.

:rofl:

And you're offensive. Go away.

based on what I see rather than taking them directly from someone else...like you, maybe?

of a strong woman, or is a misogynist.

That's why I married a strong woman and have ALWAYS preferred strong women. Because I'm afraid of them.

It explains so much.

Not necessarily the war itself.

god protect us all from better managers of wholesale slaughter for illicit gain.

I've become convinced that the "RIGHT! WING! TALKING! POINT!" faux outrage is the DU equivalent of a freeper's "B-b-but CLINTON!!!" It's like throwing the gun at someone once you've run out of bullets.

that is PRECISELY the strategy of the hillary supporters, SHUTTING DOWN DEBATE

Should she (dog forbid) win the nomination, you will see the hammer truly fall. Should that actually happen, I plan to get through the general election with my own personal drinking game: I'll do a shot every time a Hillarista posts the DU rules about criticizing the nominee. :beer:

and they werent' allowed to champion him anymore.

Exactly the same people that tried to cram Lieberman down our throats.

beyond coincidence.

I think the right-wing talking points against her are silly, especially since she's so good at doing the bidding of the military-industrial complex.

it's just so hard to keep track of everyone who hates Hillary.

but we're never discussing that, apparently.