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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:37 PM
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Blue Cross: Miscarriage = Elective Abortion
Blue Cross: Miscarriage = Elective Abortion
by eugene
Tue Sep 25, 2007

Just when you though Blue Cross/Blue Shield could not get more thoroughly evil, they go out and prove you wrong. As Markos tries to get those murderers to cover a basic CT scan, a Kansas City woman has a bigger problem: Blue Cross/Blue Shield is refusing to pay for her miscarriage claim, saying that in fact she had an "elective abortion."

eugene's diary :: ::
From Consumerist, which broke the story yesterday, the details of what happened in the woman's own words:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/complaints/blue-cross-blue-shield-calls-miscarriage-elective-abortion-denies-claim-302980.php

On Aug, 29 2007 my husband and I suffered a devastating miscarriage. Being near midnight we went to the ER. The hospital was very compassionate about our loss and was able to get us in quickly and expedited our treatment. The following day I called BCBS and informed them that we had made a visit to the ER, and was told it wasn't necessary to call them just for ER visits, but only when we are admitted. Believing that BCBS would never make the mistakes at they did the previous and only time we have used our insurance I thought everything would go smoothly. Boy was I wrong!

On, Sep, 21 2007 I received a statement for BCBS that they were denying all of the claim. I called them and asked why they were denying the entire claim, and was told by Jane, "We do not cover ELECTIVE abortions. If you chose to terminate your pregnancy for non-health threatening reasons, BCBS will not cover it." WTF!!!??? I asked her, "Are you saying that my records state that I had an ELECTIVE abortion, in an ER at 12 o'clock in the morning?" It was then, I think it clicked in Jane's mind what she was dealing with and told me how sorry she was. I lost my cool and even started crying. I had a miscarriage not an abortion, and being treated in such a condescending way by BCBS really ticked me off. Thinking what an incredibly huge screw up, BCBS will be right on it trying to fix this, well you would be wrong. I was told to call the hospital and have them fax over my records stating I didn't have an elective abortion. Who the heck can get an elective abortion in a busy ER at 12am, anyway?

Mind you we have had Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City for less than three months, they have denied every claim we have submitted to them. EVERYONE!


Wow.

Just...wow.

She goes on to explain that nothing she did could have possibly been construed as an elective act:

I just got off the phone with the hospital and was told that the claim was not miscoded. The billing clerk told me that the wording clearly stated that I had had a spontaneous miscarriage and not an elective abortion. I was also informed that this is common practice with BCBS of Kansas City to deny miscarriage clams as an "elective abortion."

For those that wondered, I didn't not have a D&C. The miscarriage was complete before I arrived at the ER.


more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/25/104944/188
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:39 PM
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1. I'm speechless
Isn't BCBS supposed to be one of the better insurance companies?

This is fucked-up beyond belief.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:42 PM
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3. They are not
at least here in Fl.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:43 PM
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4. There are no "better" insurance companies any more
which is why we need them to butt out of medicine, entirely. As long as those companies make their money from denying coverage, denying claims, and denying care, we will have a health system that is worse than the third world if only because we are tantalized with the possibility of the best care in the world.

The truth is that we shouldn't be talking about COSTS the way the front runner Democratic candidates do--we need to talk about CARE and how it is to be delivered to all of us.

Anything else is cruel and short sighted and ultimately anti American.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:31 PM
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33. here in SE New Mexico the closest Heart Specialists are in Lubbock TX
those practices will no longer accept patients from BCBS due to denying of coverage and low (or no) payments

:banghead:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:40 PM
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2. Trying. not. to. scream.
WTF?!?!?! Someone there needs something amputated. Period.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:50 PM
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12. And they have to be billed for it...
...what a bunch of bastards...
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:27 PM
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32. I agree. I'd like to be there to help hold them down.
x(
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:44 PM
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5. The medical term for a miscarriage is spontaneous abortion
Or so has been my experience.

For a woman who has had a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) to have to go through such as this goes beyond unprofessional into cruel.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:52 PM
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17. Yup. And that is where the idiots at BCBS got the term.
Insanely inappropriate.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:04 PM
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22. It's actually stupid
Elective and spontaneous are two different medical terms. They never mean the same thing. Ever.

Someone is an idiot.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:45 PM
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6. Asinine!
:banghead:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:45 PM
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7. OK, who in that BCBS claims dept
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 01:45 PM by supernova
is getting away with this shit. :grr: :grr:

They need to be fired. PRONTO.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:48 PM
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10. they're probably in line for a big promotion
saving the company $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:50 PM
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14. Fired? HELL. They probably got PROMOTED....
...and would have gotten a BONUS if they could have pulled it off.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:18 PM
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31. If not promoted, you can bet they're Employee of the Month,
complete with special parking space. Denying claims is how insurance companies make money.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:45 PM
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8. Before we all get our knickers in a knot
I'll bet the hospital used the wrong code when submitting the claim to BCBS. Now, the person at BCBS could have used a better attitude, but that's the reason why they need the hospital records. I'm willing to bet it's a snafu on the hospital's part.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:51 PM
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15. Read the 2nd quote box
The hospital coded her records correctly. It's BCBS who is at fault here.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:51 PM
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16. read the entire OP- the hospital coded it correctly.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:54 PM
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20. The OP states that they got the
correct info from the hospital:


I just got off the phone with the hospital and was told that the claim was not miscoded. The billing clerk told me that the wording clearly stated that I had had a spontaneous miscarriage and not an elective abortion. I was also informed that this is common practice with BCBS of Kansas City to deny miscarriage clams as an "elective abortion."

For those that wondered, I didn't not have a D&C. The miscarriage was complete before I arrived at the ER.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:06 PM
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24. I know for a fact that insurance companies deliberately deny claims they know to be good.
It's company policy to deny a certain percentage, with the knowledge that a portion of those denied will not be appealed. This is their business practice. All the privates do this, as well as Medicaid and Medicare.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:05 PM
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37. Oops! I stand corrected, then.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:48 PM
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9. Horrifying!
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:49 PM
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11. Doesn't surprise me in the least
I knew a woman 5 months pregnant whose baby was diagnosed with a lethal birth defect. There was no chance this baby would live. None. Insurance refused to cover the D&E until after the fetus had died.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:50 PM
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13. This is another reminder why dems have to win the White House in 08- the Supreme Court
our rights hang in the balance.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:52 PM
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18. I believe it was KS that had all that trouble with an AG who demanded records
of all abortions from clinics . I have not followed the story
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:17 PM
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30. This is Missouri, not Kansas
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:56 PM
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35. thanks, my mistake
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:54 PM
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19. It's a simple formula...
Blue Cross = Evil

I've not had anything of THAT magnitude happen to me, personally, but I've fought them more times than I care to count.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 01:54 PM
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21. $330 for a one hour office visit...claim was denied by Blue Cross/Blue Shield...
It was based on the fact that I told the doctor about premenstrual issues I've had since I was in high school but never told anyone about. I hadn't been to the doctor in eight years and went because my insurance is supposed to cover all preventative care. This was a pap smear.

Since we've had them we have had to refile all claims at least twice. We're paying over $500 per month for our family for this insurance and just getting them to pay up is a major pain in the ass.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:12 PM
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28. Yet we are told that nationalized Single Payer
Insurance would mean long lines and constant dickering with the health system.

As if the majority of us are not already dealing with that!
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:13 PM
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29. Exactly! n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:04 PM
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23. The insurance companies and the feds do this all the time.
All private insurance companies, plus Medicare and Medicaid, deliberately deny claims on a regular basis because they know that some percentage of people will not refile or appeal the claim.

It's as simple as that. Yes, it is pure evil. They actually employ people to deny claims that they know are good. They train people to deny claims they know are good. It is company policy to deny claims they know are good.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:07 PM
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25. I just dreamt, after the horrible year Mark and I have experienced
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 02:09 PM by truedelphi
With Kaiser ins., that a process server was trying to serve papers on us for "Over-use of the Kaiser system."

In the dream I accepted the papers and then tore them up, while the process server assured my husband that we would be jailed for doing that!

It was a total relief to wake up - because despite it being such a Kafka-esque experience, it
could actually happen. I hold such low expectations for the insurance industry that I really think that this could happen.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:08 PM
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26. My Blue SHIELD policy covers elective abortion - yet Republicans
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 02:17 PM by Vektor
still take political contributions from them every election cycle. Hypocrisy at it's finest! "We're rabidly anti-choice, but if you're willing to give us money, we don't care if you fund abortions. We'll still bitch about it, but we'll happily accept your checks."

Edited to add: Assholes! :evilgrin:

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:10 PM
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27. When I had a miscarriage nearly thirty years ago, I had similar problems
My HMO's doctor asked me all these suspicious questions about "why I'd had a miscarriage" --
as if, at 18, I had some notion. I told him the stuff I had done over the last two weeks
and he kept shaking his head and saying "try again". It took me two days and a decent
OBGyn to convince them I'd actually just had a miscarriage. I had cried for days over it,
but apparently women who miscarry are de facto villains in the eyes of some HMO doctors.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:32 PM
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34. That doctor, whomever he was,
should have been barred from practicing medicine after interrogating you like that.
x(
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:58 PM
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39. Thanks, unfortunately he was promoted to head of his division
And I never risked another pregnancy.

These people have to be stopped.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 02:57 PM
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36. More proof that all insurance is an immoral criminal racket.
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 02:58 PM by Odin2005
nearly all Insurance companies of every stripe are equivalent to a person who gives you ann umbrella for a fee when it's sunny but demands the umbrella back when it starts to rain (and keeps the fee money you gave him even though you never used the umbrella). I won't shed a tear if the insurance company bigwigs end up hanging up on the end of a rope.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 03:07 PM
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38. Let's further deregulate the insurance industry!
They'll keep our better interests in mind if we let them make more money, just like this!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:06 AM
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40. She's just lucky that Roe v Wade is still intact (barely)
In the good old days, if she'd needed a D&C to stop the bleeding, they's just hang out until the fetus was expelled. If she had bled to death in the meantime, tough shit.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:09 AM
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41. That's the problem with Health Insurance for profit. They reject shit out of hand.
It's fucked up, and it's wrong.

The only thing is, you just have to keep sending crap back to them. Then they'll reject it because the form isn't filled out with the right series of 10 digit numbers, or because you used the wrong kind of envelope. They know large numbers of people will give up, and that's money for them.

The key is to keep fighting.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 02:51 AM
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42. not just financially devastating
emotionally cruel too
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 06:04 AM
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43. Reminds me of the John Grisham book Rainmaker
It was about a lawsuit against an insurance company where their policy was to deny a claim at least 6 times, no matter how legitimate the claim was. Good book.
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