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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:21 PM
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Internal Passports
Yep they seem to be here

The Nightmare of DHS´s *Secure Flight*
by Blue Patriot Woman
Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 10:34:23 AM PDT
Buried in the September 5 issue of the Federal Register, was a notice that this Thursday, September 20, the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) will hold public hearings on their ¨Secure Flight Plan.¨

Come with me into a nightmare world where American citizens will have to obtain permission from the government before they can travel by air in the U.S.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/17/9846/64393
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:27 PM
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1. And they said it couldn't happen here n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:40 PM
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2. The Denial is still deep round these
parts. They keep saying it cannot happen here
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:44 PM
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3. The upcoming Dept of Homeland Security "Secure Flight" program. Hello to personal travel tracking.
Please go to the Kos link for many more details. This is outrageous. And we know DHS will push and push and push until we push BACK.


The Nightmare of DHS´s *Secure Flight*



.....

Your government (meaning the Department of Homeland Security) is up to no good.

Beginning in February 2008, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will implement their ¨Advance Passenger Information System (APIS),¨ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S. The travel companies will not be able to issue a boarding pass until you are cleared by DHS. This applies to ALL passengers, US citizens and visitors alike. And how do you get said permission to travel? That´s for your government to know and you to never find out.

Now TSA proposes to do for domestic travel what APIS will do for international routes. That´s what I said: the new TSA rule would require that you obtain PERMISSION to travel within the U.S.

Here is the summary of their proposed rules, which seem so reasonable, couched as they are in the blandness of governmenteez .


The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA) requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assume from aircraft operators the function of conducting pre-flight comparisons of airline passenger information to Federal Government watch lists for international and domestic flights.




This rule proposes to allow TSA to ... receive passenger and certain non-traveler information, conduct watch list matching ... and transmit boarding pass printing instructions back to aircraft operators.



TSA would do so in a consistent and accurate manner while minimizing false matches and protecting privacy information.



We propose that, when the Secure Flight rule becomes final, aircraft operators would submit passenger information to DHS through a single DHS portal for both the Secure Flight and APIS programs. This would in one DHS system responsible for watch list matching for all aviation passengers.



.....


Aside from the privacy issue, this is the DHS. Their past performance is an indication of future returns and we can look forward to true travel nightmares beginning February 19, 2008. Just think about the mess that occurred when CBP demanded that travelers to Canada and Mexico have a passport. Multiply that by orders of magnitude to imagine what travelers will be facing.

If you can, please attend the TSA hearings on Thursday (Grand Hyatt Washington, 1000 H Street, N.W. beginning at 8:00am). If you can´t attend in person, you have until October 22, 2007 to submit written comments through the Docket Management System. The docket number is TSA-2007-28572.

The Identity Project at Papers Please is working to prevent your government from robbing you of your right to privacy in your movements.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:48 PM
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4. IIRC, a Congressman's daughter was taking a bus in the New England area
and was confronted by someone (homeland security type) who asked for her PASSPORT on a trip from Boston to Maine. This was approximately 4 years ago. Is it becoming reality today? Not just by air but any form of transportation.

I'll try to find that old link to the story.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:49 PM
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5. Yes folks we are now facing a full police state
but some are still in full denial
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:54 PM
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6. Why what's the matter? You haven't done anything WRONG have you?
Aside from not having lived here all your life, I mean. If you have been a good citizen, and love the President, those internal passports and the cavity searches that sometimes accompany them will only deepen your love for der homeland, not inconvenience you.

Remember, you can only be truly safe when you stand like everyone else before your government, puny, powerless, and utterly transparent to the policing authorities.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:45 AM
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7. kick
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