Will D.U. implode if Senator Clinton is the nominee? - Thoughts on a glass half-full

I'm not sure if I should be scared or look forward to it in a bit of schadenfreude.

Folks, there's a long way to go before we decide on a candidate. A lot can - and will - happen between now and then. Regardless, I will not hesitate for a second to support Hillary if she is our candidate. There's too much at stake for this country and sometimes a good compromise is better than getting it exactly the way we want it each and every time on some issues. Plus, does anyone here realize that by not voting for Hillary in the general (if she makes it) is a de-facto vote for the Republican? If not for anything else but to have some sanity back in the White House and a safe SCOTUS.

Thompson, Guiliani, etc. are counting on our divisiveness and the erosion of the liberal base to do the bulk of their dirty work, smear campaign for them. I think it's a no-brainer when comparing her against these morons. Sure, it may be picking the better of two choices that don't satisfy us, but any way we cut it, she's so far ahead of the G.O.P field in comparison..

Now, I have yet to decide on a primary candidate to back, however, I am reasonably confident that it won't be Hillary. I share her views on most of her position, but we do part company on the handling of the Iraq war and the march towards war with Iran. Thus, I will search for a more viable candidate that is closer to my position on these. With that said, she's probably the sharpest, most prepared and most able to fight back against the G.O.P. hate machine. She's a capable leader and would be an incredible asset to this country. Further, I don't believe that she will take us into a war with Iran. The vote, while frustrating, was largely symbolic - but I'll reserve judgment until we see something else happening on the Iran front, but a Clinton administration wouldn't take us into war with Iran - it would have profound consequences on the nation and on the political aspirations of anyone that is associated with them.

I love D.U. and each and everyone's passion on the issues - but lets look at this from all sides and try to see the glass as half-full. We have an outstanding field of primary candidates to choose from, so if she doesn't appeal to you, let's find another one to work hard for. But let's be prepared if she does get the nomination because I, for one, don't want another 4-8 years of G.O.P. "leadership" in the White House and shaping our policy.

which incidentally is the one we trust Hillary least on imo. But I don't think there will be many options unless some people want to stand for principle. I'll likely vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

She certainly hasn't proven much to me with regards to her decision making re: Iraq, Iran. However, I am wagering a Clinton administration would put a premium on diplomacy, rather than a blind march to war. I can't see someone like Wesley Clark, who figures to play a very large role in her administration, advocating action against Iran unless the situation absolutely calls for it.

John Kerry was not the first, second or even third choice of DUers in 2004 and this website survived.

One a nominee is chosen by the people in our party, the people who cannot support the democratically selected nominee will have to take their whining and complaining elsewhere.

to vote FOR her and those of us with no health insurance would be very depressed about the whole thing, but you can't get rid of us that easily.

Nice try, though.

We need everyone, regardless of the candidate to make this country work. If she wins this thing, I would expect everyone to be just as critical of her as anyone else. Help shape the policy.

Again, my usual caveat...I'm not a Hillary supporter...nor support any candidate. I'm waiting to see what other Democrats decide. If Hillary wins the primaries, she's the candidate. If several million Democrats think she's electable, who am I to dispute it. I wasn't very excited about Kerry in '04, but once he became the candidate, he became my candidate.

For many of us, this election involves a lot more than if one "likes Hillary"...I'm not voting for a best friend, I'm looking to vote for the best chance to remove Repugnicans from power and start this country on the way back to sanity and international respectability. Any of the Democratic candidates...Hillary included...would be far preferable to even the most "moderate" Repugnican.

To those who dismiss Senator Clinton months before the first primary votes are counted and a year away from the general election may find themselves on the outside and then what? No, she's not the ideal candidate...but then who is? Sorry, not Kucinich. He may have his hands full just holding onto his House seat.

This election is starting to remind me of 1980. I was dead-set against supporting Carter for re-election and even considered voting for John Anderson until I realized that a vote for Anderson was a defacto vote for Raygun. Many here make the case that we're seeing a scenario similar to 2000...where many felt Gore was "too corrupt" (remember the Budhist temple smear?) and that there was no difference between Gore and booosh. We soon found out there WAS a difference.

I suspect there will be significant defections but what the Hell do I know...

you'll find them planting their gardens, building cabinets in their shops, playing with their kids, and walking their dogs . . . the entire political enterprise will simply be too toxic to be worth the effort anymore . . . in other words, by bad guys will have won . . .

eight years. This is serious business. We are responsible to each other, to our country, and to the world for how we handle this matter. There is too much at stake to get all self righteous about our principles. The choices that people who engage in politics face has been well described by the German sociologist Max Weber: "Everything that is striven for through political action operating with violent means and following an ethic of responsibility endangers the 'salvation of the soul.' If, however, one chases after the ultimate good in a war of beliefs, following a pure ethic of absolute ends, then the goals may be damaged and discredited for generations, because responsibility for consequences is lacking,..." http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/weber/lecture/politics_vocation.html

After it became fairly obvious that Kerry was going to be the nominee, this place pretty much went berzerk. It made the current bickering and bashing look pretty tame in comparison.

I'm saving all my tinfoil to build a full suit. Ordering some Kevlar, too.