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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:15 PM
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Poll question: Should Fire and Rescue check a person's legal status before providing
tax dollar paid emergency services to them?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:16 PM
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1. That Wouldn't Be Prudent
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:17 PM
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2. Has someone actually suggested this?
Did I miss something?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:25 PM
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7. There is a State Rep here in Texas that is pushing a bill that would deny me any health care or
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:46 PM by RGBolen
government services. His bill would strip citizenship of anyone born of someone who entered the country illegally, so I and four generations of my family loses citizenship and the right to use my insurance in a Texas hospital or receive any governmental services from the state of Texas. I don't know if it would be ok for me to use the roads here or not.


Edited to add: This poll was actually in reply to the poll on sanctuary cities. But this guy here in Texas is not alone in his thinking.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:27 PM
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8. Strip citizenship of anyone born here?
He wants to do this with a bill?

He's a lunatic.

Hey, while he's at it--why not introduce a bill denying women the vote? Or allowing Bush to run for a third term? Or establishing a state religion?
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:33 PM
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10. Hey he's a patriot dammit
He's not going to let the Constitution stand in the way of love for his country!



(please don't tell me this needed the sarcasm emoticon....)
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:44 PM
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11. Then maybe he should also ask if Fire and EMS should ask if a person even LIVES
in that fire district before they treat or respond...I mean, I don't want slackers from the next fire district over who have piss poor service because they won't get off their pennies to vote for a real fire levy to keep their community and volunteer firefighters/paramedics/emt's safe to always jump in the car and drive over to the patch of freeway that is inside our district and pull over, use the cell phone to dial 911 and have a company come that they do not pay taxes to as well. I mean, our district does not even BILL for services (yet), so you get damn good care, no EMS transport or fire activity or rescue service bill, AND since you live the next district over where you don't have to pay for ANY Fire/EMS levy...bonus cause you don't pay them HERE either. And speaking of roads, if you do not live in our county and pay the road/levy tax we have, YES, we want you to stay off the effing roads too (we have a small city here that thinks the folks in the unincorporated areas SHOULD stay off the roads inside the city because these folks do not pay city tax...stupid stupid)

Of course, I do not think I need my little sarcasm meter. At least I hope I made everyone aware what I think of this idea through my words...if not, sometimes I think the Texas lege members go quietly insane from time to time, for long stretches at a time.

What the hell is wrong with human beings?

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:49 PM
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14. Wait a minute. Did Texas secede?
Are they allowed to grant their own citizenship now?

Or is this guy just a Grade A ass-carrot?
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:18 PM
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3. Uh......no.
They should...uh...you know...go ahead and rescue whoever needs rescuing.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:18 PM
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4. I note the "DUers" who voted YES didn't comment. What a shock.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:30 PM by dicksteele
Edited to pluralize. Three LOVELY human beings, no doubt.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:19 PM
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5. Libertarian Reluctantly Calls Fire Department
After attempting to contain a living-room blaze started by a cigarette, card-carrying Libertarian Trent Jacobs reluctantly called the Cheyenne Fire Department Monday. "Although the community would do better to rely on an efficient, free-market fire-fighting service, the fact is that expensive, unnecessary public fire departments do exist," Jacobs said. "Also, my house was burning down." Jacobs did not offer to pay firefighters for their service.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/32825
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:19 PM
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6. LOL
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:28 PM
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9. How can anyone answer no?
I mean wouldn't even most Republicans say "no - but it's OK for them to arrest or report illegals after they have rescued them"

Immigration is not really a hot button issue for me - although I am an immigrant myself - but even if you favor pretty strict enforcement, letting somebody die because they have a bit of an accent or olive skin and so "might be illegal" goes a bit beyond the pale of most people regardless of the political spectrum. I'm sure a lot of Freepers will talk tough about this but even they have to realize that this means an unconscionable delay in rescuing anyone - since illegals cannot be distinguished by sight.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:23 AM
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17. We have some seriously deranged B*sh-lovers posing as DUers, that's how. nm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:46 PM
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12. Couldn't that result in murder charges if things go south? n/t
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:47 PM
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13. Not just no, HELL NO! n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:49 PM
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15. absolutely not, and any EMT/Paramedic
i've known would refuse to comply if there was.

What arrogant bigotry.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:52 PM
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16. Just remember folks.
You might be the one lying on the ground bleeding while they rifle through your wallet and verify your ID.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:24 AM
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18. No. (nt)
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:01 AM
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19. No way - that's horrifying!
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 05:05 AM by LeftishBrit
So emergency services would be provided only to citizens? Does that mean that if a friend or relative from another country visits an American, and the American's house is on fire, then the firefighters should only rescue the American and let the foreign visitor die? I realize that's probably not what they're thinking of; but it's the logical conclusion of such an attitude. Really, it probably means 'illegal immigrants are subhuman and don't deserve even basic survival'.

This is one of the most evil and xenophobic things I've heard. I hope it's not a serious possibility!!!!

Everyone should receive emergency services, whatever their status. I'm shocked that this is even being questioned.
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mvccd1000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:05 AM
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20. No. They should check AFTER. :) nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:29 AM
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21. of course!
...and the order takers at fast food joints and clerks at all stores should serve only verified, bona fide citizens or legal aliens. Police should set up roadblocks (plenty of manpower is available if they simply eliminate all those pointless sobriety checkpoints) and arrest anyone without legal proof of citizenship or legal alienhood.

Of course!

Also, one wall along the Mexcan border is nowhere near enough. We should immediately seal off all border states as well. Build walls around Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, guarded by crack troops with orders to shoot to kill.

That way, if the first wall doesn't get them evil aliens, the second wall will. We might want to build walls around all major metropolitan areas as well, where we could check the identities of anyone trying to enter.

We have untold thousands of skilled, well-trained, highly motivated security personnel jerking off in airports checking granny's shoes and infant formula bottles. Why? They should be patrolling the deserts of Arizona and Texas, executing infiltrators! It is the job of the Air Force and Navy to nuke the bejeezis out of the Ayrabs before they get to our airports!

I think a reasonable first step would be to set up internment camps in Utah and Nevada, round up all people who look foreign, stick them in these camps and leave them there until they can prove that they are in the US legally. After a reasonable time, say six weeks, anyone left in the camps could easily be shot as spies and terrorists.

This is just a modest proposal to protect the homeland.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:41 AM
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22. Don't give the xenophobes any ideas. They seem to have the ear of
many in power.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:43 AM
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23. what are we becoming as human beings? its quite sickening that we even have to discuss this
(not an attack on RGBolen just at the state of the world)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:15 AM
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24. Hell yes!
They should make sure they paid their taxes too! No tax-evading scum should get any public services of any kind. :sarcasm:
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