Schadenfreude News of the Day: GOP fears Giulia911 nomination could break the party

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/09/30/giuliani/


Religious right may blackball Giuliani

Christian conservative leaders privately consider supporting a third-party, anti-abortion candidate should Rudy Giuliani win nomination

By Michael Scherer



Sept. 30, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- A powerful group of conservative Christian leaders decided Saturday at a private meeting in Salt Lake City to consider supporting a third-party candidate for president if a pro-choice nominee like Rudy Giuliani wins the Republican nomination.

The meeting of about 50 leaders, including Focus on the Family's Dr. James Dobson, the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins, and former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, who called in by phone, took place at the Grand America Hotel, during a gathering of the Council for National Policy (CNP), a powerful shadow group of mostly religious conservatives. James Clymer, the chairman of the United States Constitution Party, was also present at the meeting, according to a person familiar with the proceedings.

"The conclusion was that if there is a pro-abortion nominee they will consider working with a third party," said the person, who spoke to Salon on the condition of anonymity. The private meeting was not a part of the official CNP schedule, which is itself a closely held secret. "Dobson came in just for this meeting," the person said.

The decision confirms the fears of many Republican Party officials, who have worried that a Giuliani nomination would irrevocably split the GOP in advance of the 2008 general election given Giuliani's relatively liberal stands on gay unions and abortion, and his rocky marital history. The private meeting was held Saturday afternoon, during a lull in the official CNP schedule. Earlier in the day, Vice President Dick Cheney had traveled to Utah to deliver a brief address to the larger CNP gathering. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney also addressed the larger group.

The decision has also been reported in an unsigned article by WorldNetDaily, a conservative online news service. "Not only was there a consensus among activists to withhold support for the Republican nominee, there was even discussion about supporting the entry of a new candidate to challenge the frontrunners," the article said. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, WorldNetDaily's editor, Joseph Farah, was attending the larger CNP gathering.

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known and he is running for president? What an enormous imbecile he keeps evolving into the longer he remains in the race. Shame is obviously not a word rudy recognizes, yet. May we all stay safe in the coming months from this administration.

-Peace

perverse and obsessional.

If the far-right nutbags don't think Giuliani is a pandering far-right nutbag enough, then they're even more wildly dangerous than I first supposed, and I've always supposed them to be unstable and menacing.

It would be historically instructive for Dobson et al to be isolated politically. Little chance of that taking place immediately, since their current field is stumbling over each other trying to pander to the prayer-in-the-schools voters.

But still it is a real fun thought that Jim Dobson would be left without someone to manipulate for the 2008 election, and that his colleagues around the country break away into a splinter movement, run some Neanderthal like Judge Moore, and cripple the GOP's chances for electoral victories ballot-wide and ballot-long.

They'd deserve what they get and it would be damned fun to watch.

It actually was THE moment of his life. It is ridiculous to think he was NOT emotionally affected just because he's a corrupt greedy bastard. STILL HUMAN. Still had a building fall on him. Still lost many people he personally knew, had been speaking to moments before. His obsession with 9/11 is perfectly reasonable.

Still not a good reason to vote for him.

emotional circuitry in Giuliani after the incident involving Haitian immigrant Abner Louima, who, in the custody of New York police, was told it was "Giliani time" before being sodomized with a baseball bat.

I am not suggesting that Giuliani is personally culpable, only that I associate his terms as mayor of NYC with pointless thuggery and insensitivty generally, of a kind and to a degree as to suggest that he is manipulating his coincidental association with the attacks on the World Trade Center and not obsessing about them out of emotion or compassion.

I could be wrong on this, I grant, and will keep an open mind.

But the overall record on Giuliani's terms as mayor are not encouraging to support a conclusion that he is emotionally bound to the losses suffered that morning.

But I don't 'gook' him because of that. You know what 'gooking' is. It is doing whatever you can to assure yourself that your enemy is not human. It's how we were able to kill the Vietnamese. The "gooks."

Giuliani is human. He is a jerk. An adulterer. Quite possibly a heartless racist. But deciding that he could not be traumatized on that basis? That he is incapable of standard human reaction? That's "gooking." And you should be ashamed.

Rudy: "I didn't mean all the 'restrict guns crap' I spouted during my term as mayor. I've seen the guns, er, light".

Selfish and Myopic...these dudes Know No Shame....

Then they dump Rudy under the bus....like they are cleansing themselves?

No Amount of toilet paper can clean their anal orfices...they are shitty ass peeps who should be in the wooden stockaid for a month ...peeps can throw rotten eggs on them...Punishment indeed...

Republicans have fucked up so badly these past years of their dominance and control...and they want more??? to Fuck us into submission? What makes those EVIL Bastids think/tick???

is the manifestation of the disease, that's all.

are suddenly "talking up" Mike Huckabee. Even Balzx on MTP.
Huckabee has moved up in the polls. The Christian Coalition
can make people jump, can they not????

But every vote for a right wing third party that takes way votes for the GOOPERS helps...

...I'm still waiting...

If the Dems were stronger and more sensible themselves, they'd use a crowbar on what's left of the GOP and finish it off.

Those pindicks would vote for Quasimodo, but not wanting to throw women in jail for using birth control is a deal-breaker for 'em.

It'll be Uncle Fred.

I've been hoping Ghouliani would emerge as the nominee...no matter how flawed our candidates, he's toxic to the GOOP. His "base" are those who want to win no matter what...ignore his past, ignore his hypocrisy cause "he's the only one who can beat Hillary". It's an obsession I've been noticing for a while and I've met a good share of Repugnicans who see Rudy as "the great white hope". This isn't going well with the fundies or the libertarian wings and I've long predicted the GOOP will schism should either Rudy or Mittens win the nomination. Dare I say, kinda like the crap being thrown around here about Hillary...but even more divided and strident.

Even though he says he's "out", I still could see Gingrich being "drafted" by the religious right as a third party...claiming to having to "destroy the party in order to save it". I also suspect that Ron Paul will attempt to be the Ross Perot next year...also breaking away from the party back to his old Libertarian Party or "Reform Party" and taking a number of votes with him.

Add to the growing anger, frustration with the "undercard" next year...all the indicted or soon to be indicted Senate and Congresscritters which is sure to help Democrats win more seats and the GOOP finger pointing and division will be even greater. I've long said that if Rudy becomes the nominee the religious right will stay home. No matter how Hillary appears to divide Democrats, it's nothing like what a Rudy candidacy would do on the other side.

I honestly don't feel that their lack of support for the 911 king has to do with his terrible misuse of the tragedy of 911 in order to attempt to gain voter's support as well as his obvious lack of any true credentials needed for such a high position, I think it is nothing more than his past of being divorced, once standing up for legalized abortion and his obvious love of dressing up in female attire..


My point is that anyone they would choose to run for them is NOT what this country needs now or ever. There is a good reason that politics and religion should stay separate and they prove it daily with the issues they find to be the most valuable when voting.