*ALL DUers* -- It's Time (Again) To Take Your Stands - A Survey

A few years ago, I polled DU to obtain a profile of the political positions of the membership according to the "Political Compass." It seems to be that time again, as times have changed and our community has grown.

Therefore, PLEASE take the "test" (a survey, actually) at the Political Compass website. Take your time and think about your answers. While we can ALL quibble and criticize damned near anything, including the questions on this survey, let's take time out on this thread and merely register our individual positions as honestly and diligently as we can.

When you complete the survey, you'll be able to see a score - shown as a location on a 2-dimensional graph. MOST of us (by far) will obtain a score expressed in negative numbers. If you're "graphically challenged" and have a mind that just doesn't work that way - i.e. trouble in junior high school math - please take special care in identifying your corresponding position for the purposes of this poll.

Here's an assist. Select the number corresponding to your score's position and select that answer for this poll. Happy poll-taking, my friends! (Let's be honest, OK? That should probably go without saying, huh?)

Please, don't guess. Take the survey and answer accordingly, OK?





Thanks! :hi:

I hovered between 1 and 3.
I'm probably off the charts now.:)

I can't imagine better company.

Three of my heroes. They never got to ask Moses, one of my ancient heroes :)

You can see my chart here:

there 123456&7?

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15Right at the Nelson Mandella spot

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

:P

Far southwest quadrant or am I the South-southwest subquadrant?

Oops!! I think I voted wrong. Close enough, I guess.

The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.50&soc=-8.10

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

I know it did for me, too. Over the years, I've found that it actually does portray my political orientation - where I'd been calling myself 'moderate' and having liberal social attitudes and conservative fiscal attitudes and centrist economic attitudes. Well, I found I was using the wrong terms. Clearly, I was at least in part motivated by a "cooperative" desire ... not wanting to be seen as "extreme." I think a lot of folks might do that - call themselves 'centrists' out of a desire to SOUND reasonable to others. I think, in that fashion, we tend to affiliate with some postures that really don't align with our values.

It has led me to believe that it's entirely possible, if not probable, that those folks we call 'centrists' and 'moderates' and 'independents' and 'non-voters' are really far different than we assume. The political parties seem to invest in the notion that they're on both 'sides' of the 'middle' ... with about 35% of voters (and non-voters) somewhere in between the territory staked out by the two parties. I now disagree. I really don't think there's any room between them to accommodate that 35%. I actually think they're effectively to the southwest of BOTH parties ... if they were carefully questioned about their actual values.

But most of us are sold a bill of goods that we MUST agree with the 'leaders' of the labels we wear and the logos we adopt. After all, that's what we call ourselves, right? I'm thinking more and more that's not true.

But that may be just me. YMMV, of course. :silly:

I am often pelted with epithets of "authoritarian" and "moderate," when, in fact, I scored solidly in quadrant #1.

Just goes to show ya.

Economic -5.25, Social -5.64.

Compass directions confuse me. :P

As a former math teacher, I know how some folks have problems with coordinates on a graph. We all have both strengths and weaknesses. (Mine is peanut butter.) :silly: :dunce:

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Yay team 1!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Me and Mandela.

-5.25 Economic
-6.97 Social Lib.

Because that's where I am and that's what I voted.

But now I realize that you may have meant south southwest as that quadrant. I don't know - I can handle the basic four directions and southwest and southeast and stuff, but I really can't tell the difference between far southwest and south southwest. Blame my feminine brain and its navigation by landmarks.

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

TC

"Not surprising" would be a good follow up.

rather than if they were placed there by someone interpreting whether they agree or disgree strongly or not.

Mike Gravel is to the left of even Kucinich! :)

Gravel with his flat tax looks more Republican to me.

Edwards appears the least Republican in the graph.

I switched my vote from Edwards to Kucinich.

I'm going to vote for Kucinich in the NY primary.

Kucinich appears to me the only one left and down in the entire group. I believe Gravel's plot point appears incorrect.


Kucinich appers a liberal and the rest appear moderate Republicans LOL.

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

Even as jaded and trampled as I feel these days, I think my results show an amazing amount of optimism! :)

Or - more accurately - his puppet strings are being pulled that way. The "kinder and friendlier" fascism ... so far.

it's too black and white with no grey areas.

:EDIT: added a word

That's not at all unusual ... it's just the nature of surveys.

these things and then end up not being able to make my mind up. Like the question about an "eye for an eye" lots of people (like fundies) take that literally but I know that was a liberal idea which means FAIR punishment not meant to be excessive punishment. So how to answer something like that ... :shrug:

The 2007 candidates:

Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.41

That graph of the 2007 candidates is scary as hell! :scared:

Seems to me a whole bunch of people aren't having their voices represented.

:shrug:

...no wonder we all tend to be so frustrated and angry here.

Like I said elsewhere, folks seem to choose politicians based on some DISsimilarities to themselves. I won't speculate on "opposites attract" or "pcking abusive spouses" or "looking for leaders" or other ways in which we seem to abandon 'representation' of our values and principles. There's something strange about how we don't project much confidence that our values are strong enough to vote for. I tend to think cynicism plays a large part.

closer to 1. For the geographically challenged, why did you just not use numbers? South-southwest, far southwest... is that like the difference between loony left and lefty loon??

Edit again: The numbers are there. Maybe I didn't see 'em. 'Doh!

Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

Hi Rob,

You're NOT a dingbat-

You Rock! :yourock:

:hi:

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.15

I'd forgotten how interesting it is. Economic Left/Right: -8.75; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6:38.

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

n/t

And yet I'd still vote for Hillary. Go figure.

I don't. But I don't think it's unusual for folks to assume something "other" in such elected politicians. I could speculate about such tendancies and make allusions to "opposites attract" and our monarchical heritages and even being attracted to abusive personalities. But I won't.

:evilgrin:

"law n' order" (not to be confused with lawn order). Like, if Senator Flotzz doesn't vote for some ridiculous mandatory minimum drug sentencing law that chops the hands of pot smokers, his opponent can run a 30 second spot about how -

"Senator Flotzz sure does LOVE dangerous, drug-addled criminals. And he loves dangerous criminals' HANDS. Hands that can be used to commit crimes. Every dangerous evildoer roaming the streets today- with their hands- has hand-loving, criminal-loving Senator Flotzz to thank. WHY does senator Flotzz love criminals more than your children?"

I'd prefer my elected leader to have my values, but none do, and I can live with that, so long as they have enough of them that matter.

I prefer not to let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

"so long as they have enough of them that matter."

I fell in Quadrant 2, near Gandhi and Mandela - and, FWIW, Hillary is getting my vote.

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77


But I answered: Robb is a dingbat.

-8
-6.72

I'm getting more radical each time I take this!

-7 on social issues; -7.28 on economic. I've taken this several times, and am usually somewhere near -7 on both of these.

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

:shrug:

Sorry 'bout that ... it was a clarification, not really a change.

economic- 8.12

social-7.38


guess I am just a commie pinko

and I still think I am conservative

my economic left/right is -5.00

my social libertarian/authoritarian is -1.90




:D

I'm good with that. :)

Am even far more closer to the bottom left than the last time I took this. I guess life in the Bush regime will do that to you!

If you ask me the political center scales should be flipped so that we should be up in the upper right corner. The way it is now, I sense a conspiracy to make us all feel "negative" about ourselves! :)

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

Usually I'm more towards sector 4, must be my mood right now or something.

I do tend to think a little 'libertarian' in terms of civil liberties and trying to keep government using as light a touch as possible and rely more on local vs federal government when possible so I think sometimes I seem a little more libertarian than I really am overall.

:hi:

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

On edit: But Robb still *is* a dingbat. :hi: Robb!

You and I are very close ...
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67


And Robb is a DUzy. :evilgrin:

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38

I read this correctly, I think.

My test from Sept. 23, 2007:

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42. Almost off the chart....economic Left/Libertarian -8.88 Social Left Libertarian -8.6

Your political compass
Economic Left: -8.88
Social Libertarian: -8.6

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php...

The questions seem different to me from the last time I took this quiz.. They must change them periodically.

I was almost off the chart I'm so far Left. :7.....HOWEVER, I'm nowhere NEAR an Authoritarian....I'm as far away as one can get! FAR BOTTOM FAR LEFT on the chart.

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.56

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79

:)

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

:bounce:

Whew, haven't taken this is a long time - glad to see the "totality" of my views have not shifted at all, as some of my views on issues have changed a bit.

:hi:

DemEx

eom

-7 and -5 Don't think this has changed since I last took the test about 2 years ago. Good company--between Mandela, Ghandi and the Dalai Lama. Cool!

(I checked #2 in the poll just because it looked lonely.)

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

:-)

They're all up in quadrant 7, which is far too authoritarian and right wing for me.

Except for Dennis and Gravel, of course.

Come to think of it, the fact that most of our candidates poll as right wing authoritarians really pisses me off.

Once more, we have no one who truly represents us. Just corporate toadies.

Even lefter than Mandela & The Dalai Lama.

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

and I don't really understand the quandrant stuff, but I got -7.12 on Economic left/right, and SocLib/Authoritarin was -5.59 - can anyone tell me what that means in English???

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

eom

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.8

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41


I was positioned right about where the Dalai Lama was. Great company!:woohoo:

Looks about right for me...

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.88

Peace, baby

:)

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

There are a few questions I can't answer strongly, and I waver back and forth, so my score isn't always the same, but it's always in the same general area.

I think I first saw this in '03 or '04; maybe it was your post, lol.

a good American.

:hi: :silly:

Didn't like the wording of some of the statements. Some of the stuff I had to agree with, but that didn't necessarily mean I endorsed it. In a one party system stuff would get done quicker, but I could never endorse such a system because there's always the possibility that my preferred party won't be in control. And, yes, I think a mother's first duty is to be a homemaker in the sense of providing a good home environment for her kids. Does that mean I want her to be a housewife? No! Just saying that providing a stable home is more important than career.

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18

...the majority of us taking the poll fall in zone 1? Isn't that nearly diametric opposition? How are those candidates supposed to represent our interests?

It must be based on their positions...

How are they representative of us in that?

I have posted the political compass at neutral sites and the results were dramatically different...

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. The candidates don't represent most of the people they are supposed to represent.

I posted that on ESPN, a site where people come to talk about sports not politics, presumably the posters were more ideologically heterogeneous... I saw as many people in the plus category as the minor category...

It is what it is...

Give me a fucking break.

Sadly.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

There's no doubt that the upper right quadrant is where corporatists reside ... executives in authoritarian organizations devoted to the Almighty Buck.

who will take orders and preserve the status quo mean anything?

Election are stolen by the corporate media long before the poles are open.

That’s why the uniformed part of the democratic base say Dennis who!

Compared too the part of the base who’s hobby it is to know what’s going and use the internet to debate issues and find the truth. The informed choice is much different…

My scores:
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian /Authoritarian: -6.67

It started with President reagan and has been made worse by every President (including Clinton, though less so) since. Now, it's nothing more than one big commercial for whatever the republicans want, and that is neither the truth nor people who speak it, like Kucinich. And before people get in a wad about it, the very few exceptions to this rule, like Olberman, are nothing more than market tests-turned-profitable, like Hong Kong was China's test market for capitalism.

When he could have done the rite thing and reinstated the fairness doctrine that Reagan HW Bush abolished too silence the truth, he put though the telecommunications act.

Yippee… Now the bankers that owned the corporations could by up all the mainstream media that gave the masses the information they used as the bases for what and who they voted for. How much more damage could have been done than that? Oh ya, free speech zones, but they had to leave some of the first amendment for Gorge Jr.s legacy…

Sadly, they probably DO represent a lot of the sheep in this country.

I think the majority are "taking one for the team" rather than the few, and I'm not sure that it's acceptable any more, if it ever was.

Hey, good to see you. Been a while. :hi:

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

hee hee (I'M #1!!. . I'M #1!!)

According to this test even Dennis Kucinich is too RW for me :crazy:

Your political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Interesting test.

along with most of DU, from the looks of it. Didn't realize that I was as far left as apparently I am! Guess I'm one of those far left types that O'Really is always talking about :rofl:

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31

can I change my vote? I'm a fading Dem...but NEVER a Libertarian....I'm a POPULIST!!! I didn't understand your poll...!

:hug:

Now you will have to vote for Ron Paul.

Confused republican freepers? :shrug:

I can't imagine how we are going to fare in the coming years. It frightens the hell out of me.




As far as the test, it was a bit difficult to answer some questions. Some could have been answered differently, but still keep me around the 1st quadrant. Anyway, I answered the questions according to today's political and corporate climate. Seven years ago, I would have answered some questions very differently. But I came here to DU the very day Bush* was installed, and I haven't been the same since.

As it is, right now I have little to no trust in our government, in the corporate world, or the financial world. It's overwhelming feeling.

Even more frightening to me is who's marginalized in this upcoming election, considering the straits we're in.

It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better ... and it looks like it'll take quite a while before that happens. We're in ever-deepening doo-doo.

but I am thankful I was able to live in another era. Imperfect as it was with assassinations, Nam, Watergate -- I'm going to call it the good old days.

I feel terrible - no, I'm scared, about what my son and his future family may face, let alone myself as I age. I have the distinct feeling I won't see that America anytime again in my lifetime.

We're creating an AWFUL legacy ... leaving to our children, and their children, a nation in far worse shape than the one we got, as bad as we thought it was. It's gonna get a LOT worse before it gets better.

where everything is opposite what it should be.

Funny how Left is depicted as negative while Right is positive...

More or less what I would have expected. I'm at (-9.0,-6.7).

I'm a reactionary. :(

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

....understand: economic left/right, -10.00 social libertarian/authoritian, -7.49

....I'm a red-blooded American boy who loves hunting, fishing and back-woods camping....I feel perfectly 'mainstream', with the people around me....

....it's not that we're far 'left', it's just that everyone else has moved WAY to the 'right'....

Canada had "blue laws" in the 60s, fer crissakes! Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad for my neighbors to the south in Canada ... I just wish I could be glad for my neighbors here in the U.S.

Graphs confuse me. ;(

I really did. As a former math teacher, I now how confusing coordinate systems are to some people.

:cry:

families and boarded a Greyhound bus never to be seen again after trying to teach me.

Your political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

I'm appalled by the fact that all the candidates - including all Democratic candidates except Kucinich - score opposite to me, in the upper right quadrant.

than they are with their democratic base. Do think that has any thing to do with why they wont impeach the unelected criminals occupying the White House?

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

The last time I took this I was close to the Dalai Lama, but it looks like I'm becoming more of a leftist Libertarian all the time.

-6.88 and -6.10

The one mentioned on SCTV: "Stooge you like best key to your personality!"

Really, what nonsense. As if a person could be pinpointed on a chart.

:P

wow, i'm officially a "moon bat" whatever the hell that is (i saw democrats referred to that on FR)

Just where I knew I would be

no wonder there are SO many lively Hillary discussions around this place....



ok I edited to try to post my results but its not working and I can't figure out what exactly I am doing wrong....

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

To the left of Nelson Mandela, baby!

:evilgrin:

I whipped up some tidbits for the get-together!
P_P

:dunce: :silly: I love chevre!

-7.62/-7.59


Watch the foot, eh?

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

Hard to believe Edwards is in the upper right quadrant. I will have to take a closer look at his platform. Would vote for Kuchinich in a second if the corporate media would give him a chance.

3 over horizontal, 5 up vertical from the bottom left corner.

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41

but it was on the side of the 2, so that's what I put.

Hangin out with the Dali Lama.

:smoke:

Geez, no wonder I feel at home here.

:wtf:

Perhaps it isn't you.

There seems to be a certain amount of inconsistency, between the apparent collective atmosphere on DU, based on the posts I've read over the years and the survey, posted by the OP. My impression is far from scientific, but then, as you doubtless know, internet polls, with no control over the outcome, are unscientific by their very nature as well.

I think that many progressives and liberals, are uncertain about their positions on many issues, as measured by a survey, compared to how those issues play out in real life. Perhaps the answers to the test questions, measure more about how some believe they should view things as a 'progressive' or 'liberal', while messages on DU, reveal over time, how a particular individual actually sees things in the real world, pushing opinions to a more authoritarian point of view...if that makes any sense.

But you know what they say about opinions and assholes.

:hi:

Those would surely push many of those rejoicing they're in quadrant 1 further to the right.

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.59

There are some things that you have to either say, "It depends on the individual situation, i.e. the answer can't be summed up in agree or disagree" and some you might have to have a neutral stance on.

I'm "over the edge." :D

Sweet.

:rofl:

-Hoot

:party:

Left of The Dalai Lama and Gandhi, more south than Mandela and Gandhi. (I almost scared myself.)
I agree w/ another poster that some of the questions were not answerable given the choices. Like the one re: mothers working or be home for family. So I did the best I could.
P_P

The Y-axis might as well be protectionism vs. free marketeering, since neolibs and neocons share more ideological space than the intersection of authoritarian leftists and rightists (who agree on nothing except the futility of having elections), while paleocons like Ron Paul are closer to Kucinich on anti-/globalism issues than classic 'libertarian' causes like gun control or pot (or abortion, on which they both take/took the 'authoritarian' position, yet they're in opposition on most party line social issues, so the reductio to L vs. A is about as useful as the Myers-Briggs' "Thinking vs. Feeling" axis or an online "Are you Spock or Bones?" sig generator). The first time I saw this test was when an Ayn Rand zealot made copies for everyone in the building, and no matter how you filled it out, he'd say you were an Objectivist and the silly left-right stuff didn't matter so long as there were no taxes. Naturally he stood to lose (inheritance) money under a progressive tax system, so the whole Atlas Shrugged conceit was a cover story. I don't know how this 20x20 grid fits into the scheme, but it seems designed to minimize the differences among class struggle participants, and emphasize a questionable continuum whereby a libertarian can never be an authoritarian (consider Howard Stern, who ran for Governor of NY on the Liberticket), when the left-right continuum itself reflects much of the tension between authority and individual liberty ("authoritarian conservative" is nearly redundant).

Does he think smoking pot should be illegal?

At the time he was 'libertarian' on freedom of expression, but his smear campaigns against Mario Cuomo, Jim Florio (which earned him a latrine stop on the NJ turnpike, which was razed by the next Democratic administration), and David Dinkins served authoritarian ends, while his on-air persona is/was that of a compulsively authoritarian micromanager (even if it's pure showbiz, but Stern's way of telling everyone around him what to believe paved the way for the Rush Limbaugh school of schtick, at least in Stern's retelling). Dividing the landscape into libertarian and non- doesn't keep low-tax libbers from voting republican or NORML members from aligning with Greens and prog Dems, so the terminology seems archaic and forced, especially when divining Gandhi's beliefs about contemporary US politics.


More like ultimate asshole, which has more to do with human rights than the "worrying fusion of information and entertainment" and the rest of the garbage input that informs Joe Blow that he's got Gandhi and Mandela beat in the "liberty" department, which is like those Scientology tests that always come up positive for Scientologiness.

As far as this test goes, the landscape isn't divided into libertarian and non, it's divided into quadrants on a cartesian graph. That's the whole point. There are economic libertarians (who sometimes align with the GOP, as you say, but most of them are pretty disaffected with that party right now, which to me smells like an opportunity for us) and there are social libertarians, and there are authoritarians on both the "left" and "right" sides of the economic spectrum as well.

Neither party does a particularly good job of speaking to social libertarian concerns, which is probably why some of the folks you mention can't figure out who to vote for.

Seems to me that the folks who get their noses out of joint most from this thing are the members of authoritarian left who want brownie points for sticking up for the rights of the worker, but hate having to talk about their Stalinist tendencies, their disdain for concepts like "personal freedom", or the fact that they want to censor pictures of naked adults fucking. :shrug:

I don't see why "the whole point" is adding a theoretical dimension to a political debate in which nobody self-identifies as capital-A Authoritarian, since the Y axis labels could be anything if the point is assigning people to arbitrary subtypes that resist identification, say freedom fighters versus terrorists. I'd go with Globalism/Interventionism vs. Protectionism/Isolationism if I wanted to sift actual voting blocs like Perot '92, Nader 2k, "Reagan Democrats" or neos, given an infinite numbers of ways to divide American politics into four chambers and the fact that these blocs were unmoved by any libertarian issues except guns.

Seems to me that the folks who get their noses out of joint most from this thing are the members of authoritarian left who want brownie points for sticking up for the rights of the worker, but hate having to talk about their Stalinist tendencies, their disdain for concepts like "personal freedom", or the fact that they want to censor pictures of naked adults fucking.

While I don't consider "the authoritarian left" a straw man in itself, they're as rare as live-and-let-live right wingers (at least relative to the amount of attention heaped on 'feminazis' and 'nanny statists' to exacerbate intraparty fissures), and I have to wonder about the necessity of a second dimension where a far right winger is a fascist and an extreme authoritarian/statist is a fascist by another name, while the plot points on all the fantasy league charts proceeding from left-libertarian to right-authoritarian correspond almost perfectly to y=x (the majority of anecdotal DU scores are also within a point of the same integer on both axes, and not a single authoritarian leftist to be found).


I agree with most of the lower case libertarian platform on the civil rights side, at least as interpreted by the ACLU and the EFF, but skepticism about the Axis of Libertarianism shouldn't be considered a defense of tyranny per "either you're with us...". The way I see it, Grover Norquist and Somalian warlords are de facto authoritarians in spite of their 'arch-libertarian' stance on the size and scope of a federal government (which serves to protect us from even pettier nation-states, with the possible exception of Vermont), so there has to be more to it than a binary choice between statism and anti-statism (or a binary matrix in this case, since fewer people would bother taking a linear "How libertarian are you?" quiz) unless you view government itself as the enemy.

and the questions are quite nuanced. For instance they do reveal thet Ron Paul is an authoritarian - which many of his twit followers seem clueless to, and also our media pushed candidates....

Understandable, perhaps, but anyone who has been paying attention should know that they are NOT one and the same.

EVERYONE has an opinion. There's nothing to stop folks from starting such a thread. Go ahead. Rock on. :eyes:
Let this one be unencumbered by such rants. Please!

It didn't strike me as a triviality that the 'survey' is a poorly disguised icebreaker for an extraneous political theory. Suggesting that "All DUers" have to agree with the thread's premise in order to reply to it seems antithetical to the spirit of General Discussion, much less the first amendment.

I asked that such quibbles and attacks NOT be done in this thread.
Let this one be unencumbered by such rants.

Is that the civil libertarian side speaking?

Hey, what great company you're in!!!!! :hi::hi::hi:

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

At least I'm consistent.
:kick:

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

I guess I'm a little stunned at how many here at DU are in that quadrant. I guess I expected more diversity. :shrug:

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.49

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-10.00&soc=-9.49

and the site is meant to convince people that they belong with those twits. How can the pope belong on the left?????

small-l libertarianism is NOT the same thing as the "Libertarian Party". Rinse. Repeat.

I'm sorry, but I expected more from a muppet. :hi:

Not -5.25 or -4.75 or any other fractional part? I've never seen that. :shrug:

:evilgrin:

Seems to be about right for me.

:hi:

Quadrant 1. Most of us are just a bunch o' flag-burnin', America hatin', faggot, Feminazi, tax-raisin' liberals!

each time I take this. The more I learn the more I slip.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23