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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:32 PM
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Minority rant: If you think gay marriage or homosexuality contains issues of morality...
you are a bigot.

If your post contains "Am I a bigot?"....then chances are that you are.

If you think that gays getting married will lead to some variant of legalized incest or other sexual deviation, you are also a bigot.

Why are there so many bigots? Because their parents were bigots that firmly believe in their right to raise their children as bigots.

Why no groundbreaking civil rights legislation for gays? Bigotry. What does the majority do to rectify this? Collect money, ask for votes and say "be patient".

It doesn't make me proud to stand on the backs of a group that is relegated to second class status and point and berate another that is doing the same thing, simply because he's wearing boots and I'm wearing socks. Those of us that enjoy the status of full class citizens are complicit. It ain't just the fundamentalists, or the conservatives, or the Republicans, or your neighbor, or the guy at the gas station, or your cousin Bob.

Disclaimer: My views, unpopular as they are, are my own. No individual is the target of my rant...it is a damning of all heterosexuals. Stay tuned for my later rant on racism.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:37 PM
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1. Maybe you should modify your disclaimer
"it is a damning of all heterosexuals" just sounds, well...poor.

There are a lot of het's out there fighting for the rights of gays, and that is one of the reasons we vote liberal because we want gays to have the same rights het's have.

I want my best friend to be able to marry his lover of many years, and I want to be his best man at his wedding just as he was at mine.

I think the term 'all' you used is a bit much :) but hey, that is just me.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:38 PM
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2. As I stated...they are my views and they are rarely popular. nt.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:39 PM
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3. I got that part :) but HOW do you justify using 'all' in this context? (nt)
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:17 PM
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14. I think "all" equals "heterosexuals as a group"
We all have privilege even if we wish the rights we have were open to others as well. We are part of the dominant group and this group that we are a part of is in the fault whether we specifically agree with what is happening or not.

So any particular individual heterosexual doesn't necessarily vote that way and isn't necessarily happy about how things are, but the big huge group of heterosexuals as a whole is the cause of the problem.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:14 PM
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18. That's a dangerous path to tread
and could well lead to alienating those who stand with someone. It would be like MLK saying all whites were against equality while whites were marching with him.

There is no need to label things as such. If I started a thread and said 'all gays...' or 'all blacks...' I would be called on it and rightly so. There is no 'all', there is only a majority, and the use of all is intellectually lazy and a slap in the face of those who have worked for the rights of others.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:53 PM
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19. If a self-identified heterosexual labels all heterosexuals as bigots
It sounds like an example of self-labeling to me. In any case, it doesn't reflect my opinion as a lesbian, or the opinion of anyone else, gay or straight.

Your example is not comparable. This is nothing like Martin Luther King, Jr. (who was black) commenting on the opinions of whites. This is more like a white person - who may or may not have been marching with Martin Luther King, Jr. - commenting on the opinions of other white people.

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:39 PM
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4. So, because I'm a heterosexual woman I'm complicit?
:wtf:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:43 PM
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7. Wait for it.... he promised a rant against racism coming up next.
I expect to hear that as an Anglo person I'm complicit.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:55 PM
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10. I wonder if we'll get one about sexism n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:50 PM
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17. In that case, I will be complicit in sexism against men, as I'm a woman.
I'll also be complicit in capitalism, since I live in a capitalist country. The complicity will be piling up! Which, no doubt, is the OP's intention.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:41 PM
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5. i agree with you, it all boils down to bigotry.
:loveya:

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:42 PM
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6. Well, if it is a damning of ALL heterosexuals, then a lot of gay people are complicit, too.
Who is more complicit, a Log Cabin Republican who votes for and monetarily supports the "family values" Republican right-wing candidate or the straight person who votes Democratic but is vaguely uncomfortable with the idea of gay people being allowed to marry?

That question could start a flame war right there, which is not my intent. I appreciate your support, but I think that its best to fight ideas rather than people. That's not to say that I would argue with individuals when they express ideas I find abhorrent...
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:53 PM
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9. excellent point
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:43 PM
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8. Beware the thought police
I believe everyone is entitled to their private thoughts, and no one has the right to chastise, ridicule, berate, or otherwise harass another human being because of their thoughts.

Actions are quite another matter. Rant all you like about the actions, or inactions, of people. But leave their thoughts alone.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:57 PM
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11. Statistically, you're right, of course.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:58 PM
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12. "All heterosexuals"
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 01:59 PM by TwilightZone
There are plenty of heterosexuals who believe that gay marriage, gay rights, and homosexuality have nothing to do with morality. There are plenty of people who just believe that everyone should have the same rights and opportunities.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:12 PM
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13. Well, I'm not a bigot
I find that people provide more than enough reasons to hate them on a personal, individual basis.

TlalocW
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:19 PM
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15. I say let EVERYONE know the thrill of divorce! ;)
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 02:19 PM by WinkyDink
No, I haven't had one; just being a weisenheimer!
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:25 PM
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16. I admit it then. I am a bigot.

I happen to think that gay marriage contains issues of morality. I believe opposition to gay marriage is immoral.

Disclaimer: I am also heterosexual which automatically makes me a bigot regardless of any views I may hold on this subject.


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