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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:12 AM Original message |
I realize what the polls say, I also realize what my republican and indepdent associates say |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. fascinating new twist on Hillary's candidacy |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Perhaps He Doesn't Think Novelty Or Originality Is A Virtue |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. In all honesty do you think that the Clinton haters are going to be swayed? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. most of the Clinton haters had no real reason to hate her |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Hillary Voted For The War! |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Tammy Baldwin, an antiwar progressive, supports Hillary |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Your Moral Compromise Not Mine! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
58. Why? Cause hillary's |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. no, it is mostly about health care |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Yes she did, but it must also be pointed out that the Supreme Court IS AT STAKE |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
47. Worked 1,000 Hours In 2004 Only To Watch The Voting Machines |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. and they still have done nothing about the voting machines, but |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. This Is But One Perspective - Without A Reliable Vote Nothing Else Matters |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Except in a few place, like Califronia, where the Secratary of State is actually doing something |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I agree, but that is something like religion. When you are young to believe in religion |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. at one time they worshipped Bush |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. From immedately after 9/11 to now, it sure appears that way /nt |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
60. exactly right, and of Obama wins the primary, they will be told to hate him and they will |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
63. When has "reason" EVER been the guiding, let alone deciding, factor in Presidential elections? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Are We To Supposed To Reject Public Surveys In Favor Of Studies Of Self Selected Persons? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I think she will hold the Democratic vote, if for nothing else than the Supreme Court |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Here's A Graphic |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. 51% -41% According To Gallup |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. That is pretty eye-opening. You have to wonder what happened in 2004 thought |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. What Happened Is People Soured On The War |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. What I meant is that the Democrats should have won in 2004? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. In 04 The "Evil Doers Will Eat Your Baby" Meme Still Had Some Traction... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Yes, 2006, something changed. In fact it defied history |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That is pretty impressive. Several comments: |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I'd Have To Look At The Literature Some More |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Democrats will support Democrats this year, as I said the Supreme Court is at stake |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Yes. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Then Why Are The Final Polls Invariably Consonant With The Final Results? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I think it's a self-fulfilling cycle. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. anyone will have those negatives. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. I am seeing the same thing in my conservative area |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Newton's Third Law Of Physics |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yeah, worked so well in 2000 and 2004, that opposite reaction |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. er, Al Gore won in 2000 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Folks Here Should Oppose Hillary On Her Policies If That Is Their Bent |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. I oppose her for both those reasons |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. As Long As You Are Aware The Former Is Real And The Latter Is Chimera |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There Wasn't A Ten To Fifteen Point Gap In Party ID... Find A More Apt Analogy |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. How many candidates do you see people saying, "I will hold my nose |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Huh |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Yup |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Chimera Doesn't Become Reality By Repetition |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. So, why all the repitition and chants by you folks trying to force the 'inevitable' on us |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. I Said Nothing About Inevitability |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. That is what my concern is, because I don't think the polls necessarily reflect it /nt |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Reflect What |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What I am referring to is the swiftboating, bringing up the same nonesense |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. See Post 34 |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
16. What a bag of flaming shit. I'm not buying it. You have been |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. It is so nice to engage in an intellectual discussion with someone. You do well for your cause, NOT |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Ad hominem nonsense. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
18. I am also in Calfiornia and I know of |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. My whole point is how will she overcome that swift-boat image |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. The Way Her Husband Did |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
50. As a Californian at heart, I have a tough time imagining her winning California in a General ... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I Can Find The Links If You Desire |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
55. There's a reason the republicans and the press have framed the Senator as our nominee for years now. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Your logic will fall on deaf ears |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Oh yeah. - n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. So The People Randomly Chosen In Polls Are All Lying To Game The System? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Worked for Dean! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. The Closer The Polls Came To IA And NH The Worse He Did |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. I don't know about that, but one thing I do know if she became president |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You aren't denying that she's been framed as our nominee, are you? |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
65. Arizona, hardly a bastion of progressive thought. I ask friends these questions. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. "2. The image of the Republican Party is as negative as at any point over the last 15 years." |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. My gut says guilliani would be the most formidable, which is why I think |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. He Has Already Said He Would Appoint Strict Constructionist Justices |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. If he is using their code "strict constructionist" then the Democrats should go after it |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Here |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. thanks /nt |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-07-07 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. If Hill gets the Nom/Nod...she will win the general election...she is better than them PUBs who are |
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