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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:41 AM
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Any way to spin all the Hillary-bashing by GOP candidates?
There have to be ways to blow it back at them, use it as a weapon against them..... find a way to frame the Hillary pile-on as 20th century country-club, white male misogyny from an all-male, white slate of candidates that does not reflect the diversity of 21st century America. Any thoughts or other ideas?

Hillary supporter or not, I don't think this incessent Hillary-bashing is helpful at all, like the GOP is trying some mass-hypnosis: "Hillary BAD Hillary BAD" on the general population, as well as getting more to contribute $$$ to their campaigns, and mobilize otherwise ambivalent voters.

I think a Smackdown is in order.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:44 AM
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1. No need for "spin". It is quite apparent the reason they focus on Hillary is that they have no
message of their own. They are outing themselves to the voters.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:47 AM
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5. were voters that smart, the Swiftboat Liars would not have
influeneced the election in 2004.

The enlightened progressives at DU and elsewhere, and educated Dems have it figured out, of course. But they weren't going to vote GOP anyway.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:20 AM
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13. Exactly.
None but the most hardcore 20 percent'ers give a flying fuck what the GOP candidates say about Hillary, anyway.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:44 AM
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2. "I don't think this incessent Hillary-bashing is helpful"
You might want to start at DU.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:45 AM
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3. They're scared of a girl
:)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:46 AM
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4. Three words: sexism, sexism, sexism.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:48 AM
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6. Exactly. And why not throw that back in their faces?
Make them DEFEND themselves, and shut their traps.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:21 AM
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14. Just say, "They want Hillary and all women behind a berka!" Give them a dose of
their own insane brand of rhetoric.

We need talking points like, " The Republican fundamentalists won't be happy until every woman is in the kitchen AND pregnant."
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:48 AM
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7. I see much of the same here though
Looks like she may get a ride with pure maneuvering.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:53 AM
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8. The GOP focus on Hillary is largely designed to leverage reactivity on the 'left' ...
... and thereby ensure her nomination. Rushing to her defense, and acting on the tautology that anything or anyone that the GOP opposes must be 'good' for Democrats, folks effectively abandon their own values and react rather than respond.

It's really quite remarkable. It worked during the "Clinton era" ... distracting progressives and liberals rushing to Bubba's defense as that administration was castrating welfare, handing a license to steal to the telecom industry, sabotaging national health care, screwing gays in the military, and engaging in more illiberal policy initiatives than one could shake a stick at.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:00 AM
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10. Bill Clinton was "screwing gays in the military"?????????
You have got to be kidding me.

Because Bill Clinton was courageous enough to try to make life better for gays in the military, his poll numbers took a nose dive. Many people at the time thought that Clinton's views on gays helped Newt Gingrich win at the polls in 1994.

If you talk to analysts, they say that even if Bill wanted to help gays in the military it was a mistake to do so early in his first term.

Bill Clinton did the right thing but at a very high cost.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:11 AM
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11. "Don't ask. Don't Tell." is an abominable policy. Period.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:21 AM by TahitiNut
Gays have served honorably in the U.S. military since 1776. Sexual orientation has NOTHING legitimately to do with military service.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:27 PM
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17. I agree.
But there was 0 chance that the military would have accepted gays openly serving. Bill Clinton got the most he could.

As a result, the REpublicans used the gay issue against Democrats in 1994 and subsequent elections. Why do you think so many states have anti-gay marriage laws on the books? Because the Repubs knew having those laws on the ballot would bring out their supporters in droves. You can argue that those bills defeated Kerry in 2004.

So, why should Dems support gay rights? Because it's the right thing to do. But has supporting gay rights cost Dems big time in elections? Yes.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:00 AM
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9. She's the front runner they're trying to knock her off so their candidate
will bounce ahead. I am so frustrated that Edwards can't move up. But the "other" candidates are not going to get over their jealousy that Hillary is betting him. They will keep it up.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:17 AM
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12. Rudy's Platform is--I am the best to fight the Terrorism war
and I am the only candidate that can beat Hilary Clinton.

This is his sole stump speech. Unfortunately, it has kept
him the Lead on GOP side. Every meeting this is the message.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM
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15. People tend to mock what they fear
Crazy human tendency.

Don
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:31 AM
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16. They say you can't trust government to get things right. They've proven
you can't trust a Republican government.
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