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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:43 PM
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You have got to be sh***** me!
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 12:43 PM by ProSense

Bush Argues Against Armenian Genocide Measure

By BRIAN KNOWLTON
Published: October 10, 2007

WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 — President Bush and two top cabinet members urged lawmakers today to reject a resolution describing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Armenians early in the last century as genocide — a highly sensitive issue at a time of rising tensions with Turkey over northern Iraq.

“We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915,” Mr. Bush said in a brief statement from the White House. “But this resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to relations with a key ally in NATO and to the war on terror.”

He spoke hours before the House Foreign Affairs Committee was to vote on the resolution. The House speaker, Representative Nancy Pelosi, is said to be prepared to forward the matter to the full House, where more than half the 435 members are co-sponsors. Passage would be symbolic, but the symbolism, the administration asserts, could seriously jeopardize the delicate relationship with Turkey.

Turkey has been a vital way-station for fuel and materiel shipments to United States forces in Iraq, and the administration has spared little effort to lobby against the resolution. The State Department secured the signatures of the eight living former secretaries of state on a letter opposing the resolution. And both Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates have been speaking out against it for months.

(emphasis added)

President's Statement on the Saddam Hussein Verdict

President Bush's Statement on Execution of Saddam Hussein

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:05 PM
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1. President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours
President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours

The cause of peace requires all free nations to recognize new and undeniable realities. In the 20th century, some chose to appease murderous dictators, whose threats were allowed to grow into genocide and global war. In this century, when evil men plot chemical, biological and nuclear terror, a policy of appeasement could bring destruction of a kind never before seen on this earth.


Lying, despicable hypocrite!

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:08 PM
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2. And they harp on Ahmadinejad being a holocaust denier.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:07 PM
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11. EXCELLENT point! nt
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:11 PM
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12. And when the Turks start murdering the Kurds...
No doubt when the Turks start murdering the Kurds, the innocent Kurds that Saddam Hussein murdered, with gas we provided him, will become the terrorist Kurds, with gas we probably provided them as well, and Bush will hail Turkey's actions as part of his war on terrorism.

Maybe Turkey offered Bush and Company a better deal on the oil in Kurdistan? Or maybe they just want the oil for themselves.

Sorry, Ray Hunt. As Ken Lay found out, friendships mean nothing to the Bushes when it comes to oil.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:20 PM
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15. No. I suspect it was Cheney that offered Turkey a deal on the oil.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 02:22 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
Remember, the Turkish people basically FORCED the parliament to vote AGAINST utilization of Turkey as a U.S. launching base for the Iraq war. BushCO must've bargained some share in the oil to get Turkey to reverse that decision AFTER the war had been waged.

This nonsense that an acknowledgment of genocide will somehow threaten US relations with Turkey is simply absurd,...another bait-n-switch bullshit distraction.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 03:42 PM
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19. Beat me to it.
George Whypocrite Bush.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:15 PM
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3. Got to stay on Turkey's good side
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 01:16 PM by seemslikeadream
and doesn't have Denny Hastert to kick around any more, he's left with the suitcase full of cash from Turkey


Turkey does not like the Kurds especially the PKK



Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344





Turkish PM clears way for Iraq assault
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2010021&mesg_id=2010021


Ruffling feathers - will Turkey invade northern Iraq?
Posted by seemslikeadream on Tue Oct-09-07 08:52 PM


Ruffling feathers - will Turkey invade northern Iraq?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1608046

Turkey sent 350 special ops forces south into Kurdistan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1544571

This is so pissing me off -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1547409

Turkish Commandos Inside Iraq?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1529843

Novak: Bush considering secret military action in Turkey
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1474571
This is my fourth and last time
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429288

It is really a little too quiet up north right now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1472171

Please- watch the north in Iraq - this is going to blow shortly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429138

Turkish PM threatens to invade northern Iraq - 250,000 men in the region
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1393490

Turkish security services in possession of videotapes of weapon deliveries by US military to PKK
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1327965
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM
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14. Once again, SLaD, you've got the research to show that TURKEY is
the key to how the mafia running this country ties itself back into the drug & bribery trade.

If they'd just give Sibel Edmonds the voice she needs to have, the whole world could make great headway in getting rid of the slime that pulls the strings everywhere.

Thanks again for your tremendous contribution to the knowledge accessible here on DU! :hi:

:kick:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:17 PM
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4. "...do great harm to... the war on terror."
Doesn't that beg a couple of mighty big questions all by itself?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:20 PM
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5. He's such a pig. And now a genocide denying pig. n/t
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:37 PM
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6. Hey, shit for brains, Your key ally is about to bomb the only peaceful part of Iraq. n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:42 PM
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7. .....key ally IS BOMBING the only peaceful part of Iraq.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:48 PM
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8. disgusting isn't it, as an American Armenian this is a slap in the face
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 01:49 PM by alyce douglas
to all Armenian people, getting Turkey to go into Northern Iraq, could be for the oil too, I can hear * saying Fuck the Armenians that happened a long time ago, Hey george go say that to the Jews what don't you???
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:15 PM
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13. I saw that story, that's actually happening inside Turkey.
..."Turkish troops blocked rebel escape routes into Iraq while F-16 and F-14 warplanes and Cobra helicopters dropped bombs on possible hideouts, Dogan news agency reported."...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 03:54 PM
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20. Thanks for clarifying.
I thought it was on the Iraq side.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:53 PM
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9. Misspelling. It's sh******, not sh*****. Thanks. That is all.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:40 PM
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21. Oh damn,
forgot an asterisk! Good thing the title of the thread isn't "Bush is an ass" because a similar error would really stand out: Bush is an a*!


Thanks! :)

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:59 PM
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10. Remember when Colin went to protest election fraud in Ukraine?
It's always a day late and in the wrong country with these people.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:21 PM
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16. words fail me--to use the fictitious so-called "war on terror" as an excuse
for ANYthing--god, this is one sick fucking prick who has NO CONSCIENCE WHATSOEVER. He is a true sociopath. What we are doing to the Iraqis and all Middle Easterners is an obscene atrocity. The suffering "we" have caused--I can't even bear to think of it :cry:
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:22 PM
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17. "great harm to relations with a key ally in NATO and to the war on terror."
Let's not forget that Turkey is being hit by PKK terrorists who are being given safe haven by our pals, the Kurds. 14 Turkish soldiers were recently killed in an ambush. What, exactly is the "war on terra" President doing to help our "key NATO ally" deal with the PKK threat coming from US-controlled Iraq?

What a wanker.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:26 PM
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18. It's never a good time for Armenian genocide resolutions
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=10422

Successive U.S. administrations are on record of having consistently tried to appease Ankara, from the early 1970s at least, by refusing to use the g-word, despite growing pressure from an increasing number of members of the U.S. Congress and international organizations, which demand proper acknowledgement of the suffering of the Armenians during World War I. Instead, it has become a tradition since 1994 that every year, around April 24, on the eve of the commemoration of this genocide by Armenians around the world, a U.S. presidential statement is released commemorating “the forced exile and mass killings of as many as 1.5 million Armenians during the last days of the Ottoman Empire” but falling short of calling it “genocide,” although, as it is often pointed out, these statements sometimes constitute a textbook definition of genocide.

The issue of the US recognition of the Armenian genocide has been debated more than once in both houses of the Congress. During one such debate in late 2000, Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House of Representatives, withdrew a resolution recognizing the Armenian genocide on the very eve of the vote, after a personal request by President Bill Clinton. Hastert’s press release noted that, “because the President has raised grave national security concerns, he has requested that the House not consider H.Res.596, Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution. I have acceded to this request.” Acknowledging that the bipartisan resolution “would have enjoyed support among the majority of the House,” Hastert noted that, according to the President, “the passage of this resolution may adversely impact the situation in the Middle East and risk the lives of Americans.” These were the first few weeks of the second Palestinian Intifada.

A few years later, in 2005, FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accused the FBI of covering up improper financial dealings between Hastert’s office and certain Turkish circles. She accused Hastert of accepting Turkish bribes to withdraw the above mentioned resolution. Investigative reporter David Rose told Democracy Now!, a daily radio and TV news program broadcast over 400 U.S. stations, that “Dennis Hastert was not known, as one of the authors of Clinton's impeachment, for deferring to his judgment on many occasions, but on this occasion, he apparently did… It is said that in the wiretaps that were translated by Sibel Edmonds, reference was made to this very controversial question of the House vote. One of the Turkish targets of these wiretaps claimed that the price for getting Dennis Hastert to withdraw the resolution would be $500,000.”

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:42 PM
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22. Mother fucker thinks Armenians are shit
I've got a few things to discuss with you Mr. Bush - wanna meet for coffee?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:48 PM
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23. Smirk's a pragmatist ... in fact, he's the pragmatist's pragmatist.
"might makes right"
"the ends justify the means"
and when all else fails, "go along to get along"

It has NOTHING to do with values, principles, or morality ... nothing!

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:20 PM
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24. Turkey owns his members
of Congress
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 09:54 PM
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25. Kick! n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:16 AM
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26. morning kick
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