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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:50 PM
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Ayn Rand is the problem....
Somebody posted something earlier about Rand. This is a long article, but it is worth it!! Lots of people who never read Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" or any of her other stuff have been infected with malignant capitalism. Major snipage...
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Guru of greed: The cult of selfishness

Fifty years after it was first published, Ayn Rand's most influential book offers a vital clue to why so many Americans vote against their economic and social interests. By Leonard Doyle 12 October 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3052382.ece

Why is it that millions of ordinary Americans vote for conservative policies that seem inimical to their lives? Why are the politicians who support healthcare reforms to give access to a doctor for the 47 million Americans without insurance branded as closet socialists or worse?
The answer may be contained in the writings of the Russian emigrée and radical libertarian philosopher Ayn Rand. Two decades after her death, she remains the darling of right-thinking Americans and sales of her novels, paens of praise to unbridled capitalism, are even outselling The Da Vinci Code.

More copies of her book Atlas Shrugged are sold now than when she was the literary pied piper of Wall Street. In his early thirties, no less a figure than Alan Greenspan, who married one of her closest friends and went on to become the chairman of the Federal Reserve fawned over her. On Saturday nights he made his way to Rand's deliberately darkened apartment in Manhattan to sit in rapt admiration as passages of her novels were read aloud to her conservative salon. "Ayn," Mr Greenspan would say according to those who were also present, "upon reading this, one tends to feel exhilarated!"
Mr Greenspan was already making lots of money as an economics consultant, advising the Wall Street moguls and other captains of industry whom Ms Rand idealised in her books.

Rand's most influential book, Atlas Shrugged begins in a recession. To save the economy her hero, John Galt, calls for a strike by intellectuals against government interference. Factories, farms and shops close. Riots break out as food becomes scarce. Rand herself said she "set out to show how desperately the world needs prime movers and how viciously it treats them" and to portray "what happens to a world without them". The book was published into a welter of criticism.

Her theories have made inroads into academia. Objectivism is taught at more than 30 universities, with fellowships at several leading philosophy departments. The Ayn Rand Institute has a war chest of over $7m to promote her ideas and more than a million high school pupils are being given free copies of her novels to read. Legions of readers, including Hillary Clinton, members of the Supreme Court and of course Mr Greenspan count Rand among their formative influences. And the 140,000 copies of Atlas Shrugged, which are sold every year, are a small fraction of the 6 million books sold since the book was first published. Rand's credo is summed up by the title of a collection of her essays, The Virtue of Selfishness, which have circulated in an almost samizdat fashion among enthusiasts of capitalism red in tooth and claw. One of the characters in Atlas Shrugged, summarises her philosophy of Objectivism with the following oath: "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another human being, or ask another human being to live for mine."

One way or another Rand's ode to American individualism has made her one of the towering figures of US political thought in the late 20th century.
By rejecting altruism and embracing selfishness she rejected the Judaeo-Christian underpinning of the religious right. The only moral obligation a person had was to his or her own happiness. That meant capitalism should be given a free rein with an unregulated market economy. She pushed America's cult of individualism into uncharted waters where ruthless self-interest and disdain for poorer members of society were the guiding principles.

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:55 PM
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1. No need to tell me n/t
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:20 AM
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33. Excuse me but the religious right also espouses her views
as they don't want government to help the poor, etc.

The religious right wants to get their hooks into poor people and force religion on the poor.

I view the religious right as the poverty pimps.

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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:57 PM
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2. Seems to me it's a poor excuse
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 10:58 PM by NI4NI
solely for someone to rationalize being a greedy SOB. IMO.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:57 PM
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3. K & R!
She was one of the most dangerous people of the 20th Century.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:29 AM
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34. Not hard to understand their "popularity" when they're given away to students for free...
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 07:32 AM by FormerRushFan
http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog/2005/05/free-ayn-rand-books-for-students.html

(Ayn Rand Institute) started a "books" program to remedy that problem. With the help of directed donations from supporters, teachers in a given area are solicited for the program. They can order any number of free copies of Anthem and The Fountainhead from ARI, along with teacher's manuals (also available online). ARI's only demand in return is that the teachers agree to actually teach the novels. Some supporters of this amazing project have bought whole states; others have purchased counties or cities. However, as far as I understand, much of the country remains as-of-yet-unclaimed.

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People have to understand that Ayn Rand was right - this is a war of IDEAS. If schools don't have the money to buy REAL textbooks, then this "subsidized" material (along with materials provided by corporations) will fill the vacuum.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 10:58 PM
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4. how can anyone read her books? gah.
so dull. so boring. so dense.
so pointless.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:07 PM
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5. Long, patronizing...
...with characters that would need some work to become two-dimensional, and a writing style that has a long way to go to reach the exhalted level of Harlequin Romances. ;-)

Rand did have one vital quality, though...that of the tailors in The Emperor's New Clothes: the ability to sell her threadbare ideas as The Greatest Philosophy Of All Time. Like those tailors, she did it by appeals to vanity -- convincing her readers that, by slavishly agreeing with her every word, they were proving themselves to be brilliant and independent minds. To date, millions of intellectual mediocrities have convinced themselves that they are the vanguard of the Golden Age of Reason, simply because they swallow everything she ever said or wrote. :eyes:

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:37 PM
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14. Ayn Rand...unreadable drek for the pseudo-intellectual.
I had to read 'Anthem' in high school.
Patronizing drivel, it certainly was.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:38 AM
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36. I was going to ask that myself.
Both Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead are extremely dense and essentially impenetrable, I would say to the point of unreadability. I don't see how works like this could have much influence in and of themselves.

On the other hand, Anthem is quite short and I remember enjoying it when I read it long ago. I also made it through We the Living, which I remember liking as well.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:08 PM
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6. HILLARY considers Rand a "formative influence"...?????
Well, that explains a lot...

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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:12 PM
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7. I read both of her big books
when I was a raw youth. I can't say they had much of an influence on me. As I recall, I thought she was rather tedious, and full of shit. But then, I'm not an economist.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:13 PM
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8. the philosophy of cockroaches
among the most successful species on earth....
Where does annie think law came from? To protect the powerful from the powerless? The rich from the poor? Nonsense! Law came into being to protect the poor from the rich, the weak from the strong etc. Hundreds of generations from the caveman days to Hammurabi's code... then hundreds more until the Magna Catrta, then more until Habeous Corpus... but if humanity wants to be cockroach-like, then....hail ann rand!
btw greedspan belongs in jail....
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:20 PM
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9. I used to be into Rand. Then I turned 12.
I stole that line from Arianna Huffington.

It's scary how people take her seriously.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:19 AM
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25. i've been using i line like that for years
randism is a simple fallacy - just because a model is internally consistent doesn't mean it's right.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:21 PM
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10. It sure hit's home
It wasn't me who said that "unregulated capitalism is a self cannibalizing institution". Like the robber barons of the turn of the century, or in Salinger's "The Jungle".

Why is it so hard for Americans to realize that capitalism is great, but it needs oversight.

Look to to see what unbridled capitalism can do.

- destruction of the rain forest
- unfettered pollution
- slave labor, or slave labor like conditions

It's like giving a gallon of vodka to a alcoholic.

Bad idea.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:35 PM
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13. To be honest, those first two would not have happened without large population.
I agree with your post. But do not lose sight of the more important factor which is numbers. It's billions of people all consuming that have killed the rain forests, etc. Not capitalism. We could have slowed down the destruction a little, had we good leaders. But even they wouldn't have done much to stem the mess. Take a look at the exponential growth of the human race, and you will see the emergency we are currently having.

But that is a digression from this thread topic.
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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:46 PM
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17. Excellent Point, thanks
But wasn't it the big companies in Brazil, who cut down all those hard-wood trees, so that so many of us American could upgrade our floors " on credit of course" with that hard to duplicate "Brazilian cherry wood" have much responsibility?

I guess I need to look into that more. I'm far from an expert on the rain forest and I'll be the first to admit that.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:08 AM
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23. Yes. And those dashboards for Jaguar XJ-12's.
But it's an equation with two factors. What is being consumed, and how many are consuming it. That's at the most basic level of it all. Then it breaks down into the zillions of little acts.

One person can have a car made of diamonds. But six billion people can't even have cars without destroying the planet.

I may be a stooge when it comes to the deeper thinking stuff, but I am very clear on this. And what's odd is that most people don't seem to really see this aspect. I still haven't seen Al Gore or Stephen Hawking address the issue of population. It's a more of a corner we've painted ourselves into than something we can do much about. I just wish people would raise awareness of it. Because without addressing that issue, nothing else makes much difference. Part of the problem is the time delay between when people are born, and when they are part of the society. The masses of people we see on the roads today were born decades ago. It's as though our actions today aren't hitting the planet until twenty years from now. I cringe when I see people with kids. Which is really sad since it's an integral part of being a human.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:05 AM
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44. You mean Upton Sinclaire's 'The Jungle'
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:33 PM
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11. Rand operated under the mistaken notion that altruism was indoctrinated rather than natural
In fact altruism is largely what makes us human. Science is finding that altruistic behavior is quite natural and even occurs in other species. But Rand operated under the assumption that it was foisted on us by religion. Instead it seems that religion merely picked up on it as one of the best ways to build a strong interconnected social group from us in the first place. Religion just reflects back aspects of human nature. And altruism is part of that reflection.

Thus the philosophy that is spun from her pure Objectivist notions is devoid of the sense of connection that is inherent to our nature. It comes off as cold and callous because it is cold and callous. Greed is indeed part of our drive but it is tempered by our sense of connectivity to one another and our natural instinct to help one another.

What Rand's philosophy describes much better is Corporate philosophy. Corporations are asocial or even sociopathic. A Corporation by design have no concern for humans beyond what they can do for it.

At small to medium sizes Corporations behave with more human characteristics because the CEO is able to apply more of their personality to the company. But once a Corporation hits large or multinational size it becomes driven by business law and the need to increase profits to meet the demands of the stock market. It is at this stage when the Corporation has the most power that it shifts to being the least concerned with society or any moral considerations.

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:40 AM
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29. the machine
Excellent post, Az. It's been awhile since I read the research on altruism and social connectedness and what little I could remember was hovering around there in the periphery, trying to become a thought (but not quite making it.) :) You summed it up for me.

I also find your last paragraph to be very true. At a certain point, they become economic machines, devoid of any personality and dedicated only to profit-making. Having worked for some of these monsters in my life, I can say I've seen it first-hand. This is where the humans become like machinery. They know what they have to do and they do it because they are in fear of losing their jobs.



Cher

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:34 PM
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12. The solution: growing up
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 11:38 PM by Warpy
Rand seems to appeal to the young. I confess I was almost sucked in by "The Fountainhead," arguably the best of a bad lot. I got my sense of humor back about halfway through "Atlas Shrugged" as I kept trying to envision the hard bitten Dagny Taggart with a whiny toddler hanging onto her pencil skirt.

That's where the anti altruism rant breaks down completely and why children never result from all that joyless sex in her novels. Having children is the most purely altruistic act people can accomplish, benefiting the society, the country and the future but providing only a drain on the finances, time and health of the parents.

The only adults who have managed to remain Randorrhoids are the ones who have led financially charmed lives, with opportunity after opportunity dropping into their laps and riches flowing from all of them. The conceit is that they got there all by themselves, never mind the amount of dumb luck it took, and the Rand doctrine of the rugged individualist succeeding entirely through his own efforts in a social vacuum seems to hold up to them.

Rand's brand of capitalism with rugged individualism will work only when opportunities are handed out in a more even manner and when the human race has been perfected. In that last, her ideas share the fatal flaw of Communism as envisioned by Marx.

If that isn't the height of irony, what is?


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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:16 AM
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24. The fallacy of objectivism
Objectivism is really nothing more than a relative morality, an amorality, in that individuals are obligated only to themselves rather than society. Her ideal man stands alone. And apart from others. Including society. Society in the end does not matter. Only the individual. It is a curious philosophy but also a dangerous one.

The fallacy of objectivism with regard to Ayn Rand is that her villains became our heros. Her altruism became our amorality.

Ayn Rand shared the prevailing attitude in this country fifty years ago that is best reflected by a comment by Clare Booth Luce that the rich were merely smarter than other people. Fifty years later, it is more a matter of the rich are merely more larcenous than other people.

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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:18 AM
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40. I never understood why Dagny Taggart had to be raped to have a
sexual relationship? What was that all about? There was much I liked about her character, there were few role models for an autonomous woman in the 1950's and 1960's, but I recognized that it was still somewhat trapped in the perception of women in those days.

As a college student, I found there was some thought-provoking material in The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, but there was also a lot of self-important pseudo-philosophizing. I enjoyed them as novels, as I did many others, and remember many of her points. Some I agreed with and many I did not. However, I'm more clear on those I'm against since having to think about hers.

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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:01 AM
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42. people of power like on occasion to switch positions n/t
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:38 PM
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15. Ayn f---ing Rand, the person form whom the word "ignoranus" was coined! n/t
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:43 PM
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16. I LOVE to read, and Atlas Shrugged was one of the driest books
I ever had to choke through on a 'required reading' list. It is poorly written and - just dry. Galts' soliloquies were mundane at best, and the heroine was dim and lame.

The ONLY reason this book has EVER had any notice is that Corporatists NEED it.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:48 PM
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18. Above and beyond Rand's promotion of greed and solipsism as the apex...
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 11:50 PM by MilesColtrane
...of human existence is her incredibly shitty writing.

Her characters and dialogue make 21st century Hollyood output look like Henry James.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:06 AM
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22. I enjoyed
this response very much, among many enjoyable responses.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:56 PM
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19. There is nobody more powerless than the individual!
Corporations are collectives. A group may be able to stand up to a collective but a lone person never. She's made us helpless to fight the monsters. Bitch. I hope she's rotting in Hell!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:56 PM
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20. I just finished playing a PC game set in an Ayn Rand dystopia
Bioshock. WARNING: MAJOR SPOILAGE AHEAD!

In Bioshock, you play the role of an unnamed character who survives a plane crash at sea to find himself washed up on the shores of a rocky outcropping whose only feature is a large, square, stone lighthouse. Traveling inside, you find a bathysphere which takes you down into the depths of the ocean. The intro movie monologue is as follows:

"I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

No, says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...

RAPTURE.



A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can be your city, too."

The game continues, taking you into the rapidly-decaying underwater city. As you play, you learn a number of things about Rapture and its residents.

Rapture was intended to be a place where the very best of the best could go and live and work and create without being hindered by us "little people". For about ten years or so, it worked, and the city thrived. Until the discovery of ADAM.

ADAM was discovered by a dockworker in Neptune's Bounty, which served as Rapture's fishery. His hands had been disabled for several years, but on this particular day he was bitten in the hand by a deep-sea slug. By the nest day, he was able to move his hands for the first time in years. By the end of the week, he was able to play catch.

The slug grafted stem cells onto his own, and they apparently repaired the disability (bear with; it's a game, remember?). Experimentation revealed that ADAM enabled some truly amazing genetic "enhancements" when spliced into a body full of "normal" cells.

ADAM quickly became the city's de facto currency. everyone- literally everyone- wanted ADAM for the "benefits" it gave them. Factions developed, and eventually, the ADAM- sold in the form of "plasmids"- started being used in more militant ways: everything was possible, from lighting a fire with a snap of the fingers to hurling a fistful of lightning at enemies.

Eventually, people started splicing themselves a few too many times, and became severely disfigured, physically and mentally. War broke out in Rapture, and most of the citizens- except for some of the splicers- fled.

In the case of Rapture, it was Rand's vaunted "prime movers" who were the true enemy: Andrew Ryan, for simply creating such a place and using force against his own citizens to protect the secret of Rapture's existence; his nemesis, Frank Fontaine, who was a smuggler with cities "on the surface" before one of his workers discovered the slug which carried the ADAM; Dr. Suchong, for creating the Big Daddies to protect the Little Sisters (little girls who have been implanted with one of those slugs, and who harvest ADAM from corpses), and several others.

It's an intricate story of capitalism gone stark-raving mad. One hell of a novel game.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:05 AM
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21. "Atlas Shrugged" was required reading where I went to college
That was many moons ago. Everyone who took Economics as an elective was required to read that book back in the early 80's. I still disagree with her ideas and continue to be flabbergasted that was used in lieu of an actual text book.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:26 AM
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26. And it's a good thing too
Combine really bad writing with a really bad philosophy, and you have no better argument against unbridled capitalism.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:41 AM
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27. Ayn Rand wrote FICTION,
and has a valid viewpoint only in a Fantasy World.
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:28 AM
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28. Precisely
Thanks.
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SparkyMac Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:47 AM
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30. Rand appealed to me when I was college age.
And I think that is the age when most of her fans learn about her. It is at that age when we are at our most greedy and most vulnerable. I'm happy to say I outgrew Rand's philosophy of greed. Let's hope other kids do, too.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:06 AM
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31. Altruism is not the sole property of the religious right....
...as I'm sure this author understands, though I just thought I would point that out.

Oh yeah, and Ayn Rand will eat your children.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:08 AM
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32. Rand is not and never has been a philosopher. She's just


a slavish proselyte of Jeremy Bentham, Herbert
Spencer and the infamous Park Avenue/pimp preacher
of Social Darwinism, Henry Ward Beecher.
(may Allah curse him)

Luckily, John Stuart Mill put a knife through their
hearts in the seminal essay. 'On Liberty'

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:30 AM
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35. Objectivism = Amorality
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:03 AM
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43. not by her definition of morality = code of values accepted by choice
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:44 AM
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37. Here she is, a la Calvin & Hobbes:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:01 AM
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38. tried reading "Atlas Shrugged" years ago . . . threw it out . . . n/t
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:10 AM
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39. See this Rand thread for the BEST. RESPONSE. EVER. on Rand:
from DUer Telly Savalas:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4973593#4975243

Ella turned towards the window, folded her arms,and said, "Kent, I cannot understand why you read that drivel. If there's anything worse than a bad political philosopher, it's a bad political philosopher who writes bad novels to present her flawed ideas. It's bad enough when she writes nonfiction works that foist assertions and conjecture on the reader and tries to pass it off as 'reason', but when she tries to dress it up in a fictional work with one-dimensional characters and a cheesy plot, it's downright putrid. I'd go so far as to say that her writings dishonor the thousands of years of evolution required for humans to develop language skills.

"The worst element of her 'writing' is how utterly ridiculous the dialogue is. In real life people converse with one another, they don't take turns delivering speeches to one another. If she'd ever spent anytime actually interacting with another human being who wasn't clinically insane, she'd know this and it would be reflected in her writing.

"Furthermore, don't you think she could go to more effort to be a bit more terse? I mean, Jesus Christ, I've seen bumperstickers that are more nuanced than one of her novels, so I don't see why she can't be more succinct in the exposition of her cheap little 'ideas'. Does it really take an 800 page novel to say "guvmint bad, capitalism good"?

"Face it, Kent. She's a second-rate hack that makes Jackie Collins look like Dostoevsky. Put that shit down and do something a bit more intellectually engaging. For instance, there's a Dukes of Hazzard marathon on the country network. Try watching that instead."

Kent set the book on the table and glanced up at Ella.

"Ella," he said, "I see your collectivist friends have poisoned your mind with these bizarre ideas about word economy and multi-dimensional characters. Such things are only devices to enslave the Individualist. Every word the Individualist says is a gift to the universe, so the universe benefits the more he speaks. Hence all this silliness about being brief when trying to make a point does not apply to the Individualist.

"Let's be clear, Ella, that when I say the Individualist gives a gift to the world by expressing his thoughts, it is not altruism that motivates the giving of this gift. No. No. No. Altruism is an evil sentiment that only results in atrocities like child labor laws and homeless people being fed. Thus the Individualist is ego-driven. By satisfying my own desires and showing complete contempt for the needs of others, I make the laissez-faire capitalist system work as it should and the benefits rain down on everyone. Although many economists prefer to use the term 'trickle down.'

"For instance, when I enriched your life last week by giving you a 45 minute lecture on the necessity of abolishing the capital gains tax, I didn't do it because I wanted to please you. Rather I did it because I love the sound of my own voice. The fact that you were enlightened by my observations is only secondary. Nevertheless it demonstrates my point about how being selfish is superior to being altruistic. Had I been altruistic and payed heed to you wish for me to...what was that phrase you used repeatedly? 'Shut the fuck up', I believe it was? Well, had I done that, then you'd have spent the rest of your life unaware of the great thoughts that course through my mind on an hourly basis.

"Yes, Ella. It amazes me how unwilling the collectivist mind is to accept the truth. Why wasn't it just last week when you were claiming that society should chain down the Individual by using some of his resources to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina? After I was able to overcome my feeling of horror and disgust that you would suggest denying the Individual his Freedom, I successfully rebutted your point by observing that A equals A, therefore it logically follows that the so called victims should fend for themselves and not depend on the altruism of collectivists. Rather than daring to challenge this impenetrable logic, you simply dismissed my comments by calling me an asshole. Were I a petty collectivist, I might have taken offense at that remark. However, I am a noble Individual and know that your hurtful words were motivated by your envy of my superior intellect. For it is individuals such as I who propel society forward.

"Um...the Individual's freedom should be regarded as...um...Egoism is the one true...um...er...what was it we were talking about, Ella?"

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