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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:33 AM
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I made a Bet with a right wing wacko..
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:35 AM by GOPS Worst Fear
..about the impeachment process. I said it takes a 2/3rds majority in both houses to impeach and he said a simple majority. I looked it up and it said both are correct. with the 2/3rds needed to convict.Conviction wasn't mentioned in the bet. Neither was Bill Clinton's impeachment. So who is right here more? If you all say he was then I will make good on the bet. IMHO I say it was a draw
Who's right?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:36 AM
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1. Articles of Impeachment are sent to the Senate by a MAJORITY of the House (only).
The Senate then must convict and remove by a 2/3rds vote.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:36 AM
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2. Nicely summarized, 'Nut.
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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:38 AM
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3. Ok so I am partially right?
who more right in this bet?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:10 AM
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10. Partly wrong is like partly pregnant.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 11:13 AM by TahitiNut
On such fundamental civics knowledge, this former high school teacher (me) would not offer partial credit.

:shrug:

The statement that "it takes a simple majority to impeach" is, as far as it goes, correct.
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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:19 AM
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12. Ok thanks for the correction.
I must have lost alot of the facts since I took my U.S. Constitution test in High School..which I got 4 wrong out of 200 questions I might add..and got a A+ on the test! But 32 years IS along time!
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Newkophile Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:38 AM
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4. Impeach vs. Convict
Technically, your friend is right as I believe to "impeach" is simply to charge, in this case, the president with high crimes and misdemeanors. A simple majority will do. Conviction on these charges, requiring a 2/3 marjority, is another matter altogether.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:49 AM
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5. What's the odds of you getting beat up if he thinks you welched?
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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:31 AM
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14. He's a right wing nutjob on a forum he doesn't know who I am or where I live.
But I wouldn't be afraid of a spaz like him anyways
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:49 AM
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6. Sorry, GOPS, but you lost the bet. Impeachment only requires
a majority vote. But being wrong about a particular point of procedure is no big deal - and true progressive take responsibility for their own actions. Pay up the debt and at least the wacko will know that progressives are stand-up folks! There is nothing wrong in being wrong, the wrong come in when you try and deny it.

:hi:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:50 AM
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7. it's a wash
It is a majority in the House to impeach. But then it's sent to the senate, and to actually convict and remove from office it's 2/3rds. You are both partially right and partially wrong. Wrong mainly because you never acknowledged conviction as you said, because only one house of Congress actually impeaches.
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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:55 AM
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8. Ok..I am a Stand Up Guy..
I will pay off the bet and pay his bet. But I will also link this thread to show him it was you all that convinced me I was wrong. maybe the turd will realize that the Democrats are far better at being truthfull than the Repukes!
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:04 AM
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9. Well technically
if the bet is it takes a simple majority in the House and Senate to impeach vs 2/3rds in both House and Senate than you are BOTH WRONG - so I'm not sure if you should pay up...but call it a draw

Real problem here is the term impeach is thrown around incorrectly all the time to indicate removal from office - and that is simply not what impeachment is - but this use of the term happens ALL the time and is actually a pet peeve of mine....

Impeachment - indictment in the House simple majority - Bill Clinton WAS impeached on two counts

Conviction and removal - Senate - 2/3rds vote - Bill Clinton not convicted and removed - (obviously)
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:17 AM
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11. Majority for impeachment, like a grand jury indictment. Conviction=2/3, the Senate is the jury.
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GOPS Worst Fear Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:21 AM
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13. Thank You all for Your Imput..
...now I am off to eat crow. Chickenhawk crow!
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:48 AM
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15. As a person who loves to make bets......you lose.
It does not take a 2/3rds majority in both houses to impeach, it only takes a majority. All the language about a conviction is irrelevant. The bet, as stated, was impeachment.

For future reference, never make a bet with more than one position. What I mean is, you said it took 2/3 and he said majority....you both could have been wrong. Instead, structure the bet as true or false...... "it takes 2/3 in both houses to impeach (period)". It's much clearer and nobody has to pull a gun.
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