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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:34 PM
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Big Corporate Push: Corporations DEMAND that Americans Eat Shit
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:11 PM by Land Shark
Corporations would like to irradiate as much of our food as possible, because it reduces one's chances of serious illness or death on account of eating shit.

Literally, E. coli is present in animal/human excrement, and irradiation is targeted at solving that problem.

Paul Johnson, acting chairman of the National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals (the union representing federal meat inspectors) says his union has come out strongly against irradiated food, explaining that you find E. coli in meat that's contaminated with manure. Johnson states his objection to irradiation plainly:

"It doesn't take the shit out of there, it just sanitizes it. And who wants to eat sanitized shit?"


http://www.ecologycenter.org/terrain/article.php?id=13319

Our corporate agribusiness benefactors, we should be thankful, want us to eat shit, and yet not die.

But for them, it's more of a liability concern than a genuine concern for your life or mine. Those judgments against Wendy's caught their attention, as virtually nothing else can. Since corporations control the government, they're not too scared of We the People, even after feeding us loads and loads of shit.

So, as far as these corporations are concerned, we can all eat shit. After all, they are serving it to us. They won't tell us how much shit, precisely. It's not on the label. But we know for sure that we, in turn, are PAYING for every little piece of shit we eat.

I've got European relatives who are dairy farmers, and they toured a normal American dairy farm and they were appalled at the uncleanliness compared to European farms. American farmers are not "dirty" per se, but they do know very well the price pressures they are put under by corporate America.

So, I'm not shitting you when I say: We don't really have to eat shit. It's not inevitable that food be shitty.

So, are people really going to swallow all this corporate shit?

Yes, because they already are swallowing this corporate shit, and irradiation is supposed to make the shit you already eat, safer.

Recently, an owner/manager of a food irradiation company demonstrated that he was publicly willing to eat his own shit -- known dangerous food irradiated at his corporate facility. He survived, but then again, he's always eating at the corporate trough.

In fact, one doctor is running around suggesting that we need MORE SHIT in our diets. Literally. The absence of pathogens from America's antibacterial crazes can potentially, it's thought, contribute to suboptimal immune systems and things like asthma. Maybe. http://consumerist.com/consumer/notag/doctor-to-us-we-need-to-eat-more-feces-309072.php

SANITY CHECK / FALSE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS: The issue is not preventing death via irradiation, the issue is eating shit.

But for some reason, in one of the few areas where abstinence would seem to be entirely uncontroversial and sensible across all demographics of Americans, the idea of going without a shitty diet is hardly heard of, at least in corporate media.

Corporate America's marketing detectives should have gotten the message long ago: No shit, Sherlock.

And if they don't get that message soon, we should return their shit, and ask for a refund. And fully expect to get one.

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See also: Eat Crap: Why Americans Should Ingest More Excrement http://www.slate.com/id/2175569/pagenum/all/

on edit: add 2 paragraphs from National Meat Inspectors' chair, for benefit of reply #1 in the event reply #1 assumes the premise of this essay to be somehow off base in any way.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:40 PM
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1. What was that author on when he wrote that shit?
(if only this could be made into a poll)

* LSD
* Marijuana
* Magic Mushrooms
* Hard Liquor
* Tofu
* The butt of a food industry CEO (You see, the author will eat shit!!)
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:54 PM
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2. So are you implying the author is full of shit?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 01:55 PM by FREEWILL56
Eat some peanut butter and be happy as shit, rat shit that is.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:58 PM
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3. We're all eating the same shit: Unless you've opted out of the Corporate Feed program
All of the choices in the proposed poll sound healthier, even given the risks presented by each.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:31 AM
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40. I never denied that.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 12:31 AM by FREEWILL56
I was trying to figure out where the first post(#1) was coming from aka. humor or serious against you. I also added a touch of my humor.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:38 AM
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48. That's fine, thanks for the clarification. nt
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:04 PM
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4. Regarding the first two sentences, they are fact. I'm not shitting you, pal. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:12 PM
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19. Oh shit...
:hide:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:31 PM
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38. When shit is safe to eat, what do you think the corporate daily RDA will be?
Talk about BAD incentives.

Persons thinking irradiation is safe take note: We can assume for the sake of argument that it is safe, but here's the, uh, rub:

WIth food irradiation the problem is that there is no longer an incentive to limit the shit in the food we eat, we will all be enlisted to shovel shit, doing all the eating "voluntarily", shoveling it down our own throats, and PAYING for the opportunity to eat as much shit as corporations feel it's in their interest to feed us, rather than reduce their profits by cleaning up their operation.


These issues here are false issues: (1) Is food irradiation safe? (2) Does it work to save lives?

Who is in favor of this irradiation stuff? We need to call roll on this one. Any volunteers, after reading this whole thread?

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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:04 PM
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5. Irradiation of food is quite beneficial
your linking it with ulterior corporate motives just muddies the water.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:13 PM
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8. I won't tell you to eat shit, but you can certainly ingest all you want.
The OP implicitly acknowledges the "health benefits" of irradiation, once we accept that eating shit is necessary in the first place. Don't you agree, on a close read, that this is the case?
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:17 PM
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10. I have no desire to eat fecal matter
but by posting this you are campaigning against irradiation.

Why can't we divorce the two issues?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:30 PM
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11. because, irradiation wouldn't be necessary without fecal contamination
or the case for it would be MUCH less.

There are other problems with irradiation that I'm not getting into here. I'll just say I object to you assuming that it is otherwise beneficial.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Pehaps the poster to whom you responded
has a belly filled with THIS:




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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:27 PM
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14. Do a little research and you will change your tune
Here's a start http://www.mercola.com/article/irradiated/nuclear_lunch.htm

Spend some time looking into the subject before you repeat what the industry wants you to believe.:think:
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. Yes, silly me listening to the IAEA
I guess all those scientists must be corporate shills.

http://www.iaea.org/programmes/nafa/d5/public/foodirradiation.pdf
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:38 PM
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26. I GRANT YOU, truly i do, that Irradiation makes it safe to EAT SHIT (did you miss the point?)

We knew Americans had a crappy diet, but with irradiation it will be a REALLY SHITTY diet, it won't kill us right away like E. coli might. It will kill us years later, before we can make any social security or pensions claims that might cost the corporate overlords some of their easy-won gains.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:06 PM
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6. Land Shark
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 02:06 PM by BushDespiser12
Nice to see the post with your name attached! How goes the battle?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:10 PM
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7. I think your pic in your auto sig sums it up pretty well. But folks is learnin' fast. nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:16 PM
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9. It's all that food on the family finally payin' its dividends.
;-)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:00 PM
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12. I've been wondering why I bark at the Moon!
:evilgrin:

-Hoot
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:18 PM
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13. Rodent head in can of green beans safe to eat, company spokesman says.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20071006/NEWS02/710060052

A rodent head allegedly found by a Utah woman in a can of green beans would be safe to eat, the company's spokesman said. But Marianne Watson, who said she found the head in the can bought from a Wal-Mart store, rejected a $100 settlement that Allen Canning offered her if she signed a liability release.

"There's no way that product could have hurt her," Allen Canning spokesman James Phillips said in a telephone interview. "This rodent was rendered commercially sterile. We cook each can individually at a temperature up to 265 degrees."

(I know this case wasn't about irradiation, but it reflects the "let them eat" shit attitude.)
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:45 AM
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42. I too feel that irradiation is good as there is more than just
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 01:46 AM by FREEWILL56
e-coli, but I am against giving them more leeway to put what they want into cans just because it's sterile. When I buy beans I expect to get beans, but the OP is quite right that shit is in many products along with your siting of the rodent head as these things are disgusting and should not be in food our products if it can at all be avoided. They actually can make it shit free or rodent free, but they plain and simply don't want to pay that much money to do that as it cuts into their profits. I wonder if that CEO if paid $100 would eat that rodent head and I'm sure he doesn't buy the same products for his family to eat if he cares about them.
Cleanliness is a good thing and a necessary thing, but not so they can feed us more things like feces or miscellaneous animal parts in veggies and so on and so on and in spite of these unscrupulous people using technology to get away with things, I am not against the technology, just them trying to feed me their shit. Anybody have a take from the FDA on this stuff they try feeding us?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:38 PM
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15. So, Land Shark, if I ask you out to dinner, I'm really asking you to eat shit;)
Sounds about par for the course around here with all the neocon/superstitious barking at the moon madness.

Unbelievable, well actually, credulous but incredible.

There is no end to this type of thing.

But,then again, those who reap the wind will inherit the whirlwind.

K*R

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:00 PM
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17. Well, it's better than Soylent Green, but just barely. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:01 PM
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18. The only way to be sure:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:17 PM
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20. K&R. (nt)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:25 PM
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21. Excellent post but it won't phase the shiteaters. They'll eat it even w/o sanitazation, as long as
they can ignore the fact of it.

The Power of Denial is very strong among us.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:32 PM
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23. Redefining the American smile as a shit-eating grin (regardless of size of smile) nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:58 PM
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34. No kidding. Any surprise that Bush epitomizes The New American Smile? nt
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:32 PM
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24. "Shit! It's what's for dinner!"
(They just need better marketing. ;-) )
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:32 PM
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25. Oh good grief
E.Coli is found in more things than just shit. In fact we *NEED* E.Coli in part of our digestive tract. You have fecal coloform bacteria yes, but bacteria WILL be in meat NO MATTER WHAT. Thats why irradiation is helpful. Because its impossible to have any kind of processed meat without some sort of bacterial contamination! Thats why all meat is always treated as potentially contaminated. Now, clean processing can minimize the amounts of bacterial contamination. But the fact is that if cooked properly at home or in the restaurants, most bacteria is controlled. Improper cooking is actually a much bigger threat than irradiation or lack of inspection. Don't get me wrong. I think inspection of meat processing plants is important, but the other end is important too.
As for eating shit...Do you like oysters or clams? You are eating shit- a little bit of meat wrapped around the intestional system of the filter feeder and they DO eat shit....
That article is clear fear tactic bullshit (pun intended)
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:46 PM
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27. A different strain of E. coli is naturally present and necessary for human life
The strains that come from manure are not naturally present, and are dangerous to human life. I fully understand that, sir or ma'am, FWIW I've a degree in biology (to the point) and a juris doctor (full disclosure).

I'll set aside your deceptive and overbroad point that (assuming it's true) that because all meat has a little bit of bacteria, that therefore we should not worry about this subject at all.

More to the point: Once irradiation is instituted as a presumably fail-safe device to catch all the shit and kill it, in which direction do you think corporate food-safety standards are going to move? Answer: for shit, or "in a shitty direction."

If you REALLY want to increase the waste products in your diet by a shitload, in other words, then by all means, institute irradiation.



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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:50 PM
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29. "Improper cooking" is, in #'s of cases, blaming the victim for shitty food products
Though I will grant you that bacteria are present on nearly every surface on this planet.

So I think you miss the point that the "proper cooking" rule is, in part, itself a response to fecal or fecal-related loads. Not always, but your riff on improper cooking is highly suggestive that you don't understand the baseline or background situation IF we were outside the corporate food chain AND had clean practices. I'm not saying one can deliberately undercook, however, at all times. I shouldn't have to stress that, given what I say above, but I will.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:48 PM
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28. Oh boy, here come the food irradiation tin-foilers
Irradiated foods are wholesome and delicious--and safe for your family.

Now...repeat...Irradiated foods are wholesome...


Extra dose of :sarcasm:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:53 PM
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30. Thanks for the sarcasm. Yeah, the "balance" between acute and chronic health issues
There's an acute but occasional risk of food poisoning that is relatively easily traceable to the corporate sources for liability purposes. On the other hand, there's the chronic long term problems of bad diet and cancer, etc., which is naturally much harder to trace to its sources. The usual responses like irradiation and chemical spraying at best reduce the short term acute risk but tend to increase or cause long term chronic damage, but no liability or at least delayed and tangential liability risk, so its a winner for corporate profit expectations TODAY (the only time period most corpse "live" for)
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:04 PM
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31. That's right, there's no way to tell the long term damage
I've no doubt, pretty much the entire US population will soon become test subjects.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:07 PM
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32. soon become?
It's already happened. They have been testing unsafe products on us for a long time now.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:11 PM
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33. You're right
Irradiation is not a new story. I've no idea what the percentage of irradiated foods is though; I guess I should assume it's nearly as ubiquitous as GMO foods by now.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:25 PM
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39. probably not quite, but a quick check I couldn't find percentages of irradiated foods... nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:32 PM
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35. mmmm. Sanitized shit.
Not to mention loss of vitamins and nutrients, the reason for eating the sanitized shit in the first place.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:42 PM
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36. I'm always amused by the media use of "E. coli" without telling EXACTLY its source!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:19 PM
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37. Those brown-nosing "investigative" reporters not looking for a SCOOP? nt
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:32 AM
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41. Eat it and LIKE it too. Shhhhh. Time to go shopping. nt
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:16 PM
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49. Shopping? As they used to say on Hill Street Blues; "Be careful out there"
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:15 AM
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43. I just watched "Fast Food Nation" a movie by Richard Linkletter
if you haven't seen this film then you should check it out. Pretty much deals with some of your subject matter. Mostly deals with the beef industry. Very good flick but kinda depressing. It's on Cinemax this month. It airs this coming Saturday @ 10:45am and again @ 1:45pm.

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:36 AM
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44. Um Hi... One sec please
Um yeah I'll take a double shitburger with a side of shitsticks please. Oh and uh extra Reagen Vegetable sauce please.. Oh and could you get me a farmbill special with extra corn syrup?

Oh shit you're out of corn syrup because it's in my car now... hrmm. How about some artificially flavored hormone-antibiotic reinforced tormented bovine juice then? Yeah xtra large please.

Oh, your scanner is broken? Hey can I pay my parking tickets here too? Yeah federal ID# 48932072.

God Bless Murika

Thank you

God Bless Murika
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:53 AM
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45. Halal butchers could be a proper alternative
I have one nearby. Their cuts are a little strange but I can live with it. I think most customers order their meat ahead of time. They sell the best-tasting chicken I've cooked in years, probably because it's not pumped full of water (once I drained 6 oz of liquid off a package of chicken from Safeway).

What other alternatives are there?

I read some time ago that irradiated meat looks fresh even when it's about to go off, making it more difficult for the consumer to select meat based on its color and texture.

I'm interested in learning where and how meat is irradiated, and if it's already being done on a large scale.

Thanks for this thread.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:55 PM
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50. Never heard of "halal" so thanks for the info nt
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:08 PM
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51. Halal is an Islamic tradition concerning (among other things) how feed animals are
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 10:10 PM by lynnertic
bred, raised, and slaughtered. For example, factory farming is not allowed, it is not allowed to kill an animal in front of others or to sharpen a knife in front of it.

From what I understand halal meat is sold the same day the animal is slaughtered and is never frozen.

The difference I perceive is in taste.

I also appreciate the 'humane' measures considering the animal. It just seems more respectful. After all, it's giving its life so that we may live.

http://www.azhar.jp/info/halal-eng/halal5.html
on edit - here's a link, I don't know how accurate the information is, sorry. There's always wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:11 PM
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53. I understand that halal is similar to the kosher laws in Judaism,
and is most likely derived from them.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:27 AM
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46. Oh shit, not the anti-irradiation morons (pun intended).
:banghead:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:37 AM
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47. Pun intended, but points entirely missed? I'm not anti-irradiation, I'm anti-shit, and
the irradiation will cause any incentive to decrease the level of shit in our diet to GO AWAY.

What's your point, Obama? I don't think this makes your candidate look good, necessarily, though Obama would study this and make a far more finessed point than you did, since he's a smart guy.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:08 PM
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52. The only time shit is ever acceptable to eat...
is when it's in the form of manure used to fertilize a field. The veggies take up the nutrients from the shit and then you harvest them and eat them. That's known as "permaculture" and it's how the Goddess intended us to eat shit--and the ONLY way.

You DON'T eat the stuff directly! YUCK!!!
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:57 AM
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54. So true, very true.... nt
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