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Wiregrass Willie Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:21 PM
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What's more important ? Winning elections or saying "I told you so" ?
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 04:22 PM by Wiregrass Willie
In my opinion, Mel Haggard speaks for millions of us white males in his generation who have decided that we do not want to have anything more to do with George W. Bush or the people who support him. The problem is this: Will the moderate to liberal Democrats accept us back without the "sack cloth and ashes" routine ?

Time Magazine -

So, the question: Is Merle Haggard indicative of a larger movement among his white male country brethren? This is a key to the next election, the subject of a new book by David Paul Kuhn, The Neglected Voter: White Men and the Democratic Dilemma. Kuhn accurately links the Republican dominance of the past 40 years to the loss of the Haggard vote. The percentage of white males identifying themselves as Democrats has declined from 47% in 1952 to about 25% in 2004. Much of that decline was an unavoidable consequence of two honorable positions the party took in the 1960s: in favor of civil rights and against the war in Vietnam. But civil rights slid into special preferences (for everyone, it seemed, but white men), and Vietnam slouched, all too often, into reflexive pacifism and a distrust of the military. Is it possible now, with the Republicans diving into foolish militarism and the indulgence of Thou-shalt-not killjoys, that Reagan Democrats might be tempted to come home?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1670184,00.html
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:40 PM
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1. Can we make you wear sack cloth and ashes AND accept you back?
:evilgrin:

I strongly disagree with the assertion that "civil rights slid into special preferences."

If welcoming the "disenfranchised white male" back to the party means changing the party into something that caters to fragile, bigoted egos at the expense of civil rights for all Americans, I don't think that would be "winning" at all.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:43 PM
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2. I am still waiting for an explanation of white males leaving the dems because of
civil rights, etc. (special preferences for everyone, it seemed, but white men) what a load of codswallop. who runs the country? white males? who makes more money? white males--the patriarchal system is alive and well, and still they scream.
get a grip on your knickers, boys.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:15 PM
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3. The voting booth is private. No one has to invite, or dismiss, anyone
who wants to vote Dem after their period of insanity. So I guess my question is: why do they need to be "welcomed back"? If you have grown up and renounced any racism or sexism or whatever, no one will know you ever left. I certainly don't think Dems as individuals or as a party have anything to do with whether these men come back or stay away. It's if the men themselves come to their senses or not.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:24 PM
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4. The poor, poor white male.
We have no use for bigots and misogynists.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:12 PM
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5. being to true to your ideology and getting elected. You need both!
It is useless to have one and not the other.
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