How did David Kelly kill himself and THEN remove and dispose of his gloves?

No fingerprints were found on the knife that killed Dr. Kelly

"New evidence surrounding the death of MoD scientist Dr David Kelly has added to suspicions that he was murdered, an MP has claimed.

Liberal Democrat Norman Baker revealed no fingerprints were found on the penknife Dr Kelly apparently used to kill himself.

The information was revealed after a Freedom of Information request to Thames Valley Police who conducted the immediate inquiry into his death.

Dr Kelly, 59, was found dead near his Oxfordshire home in 2003, days after he was named as the source of a hugely controversial BBC story on the Iraq war."

..he wiped his finger prints off the knife after he was dead! DUH!!!11!

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But I'd sure like to know whose black bag division did it, theirs or ours?

This is how he did it:

While walking through the park that grim day, Dr Kelly decided that the world was for losers and so he took out his penknife, wiped it clean of fingerprints, took out his cooking tongs and held the knife with them... He cut his wrist and then ran into the bushes and hid the tongs...

Then he just laid there and bled out.

It is all so simple.

and here I thought he was picking locks all day, thus the sanding off of his finger prints. pfft! shows how much I know!

We're just waiting for proof.

She was the last person to talk to him, right? I think he told her about something he knew that he wasn't suppose to know and she alerted the higher ups about it. Then he was killed. Just a hunch.

phone call from Kelly

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BLMQOu0o6TA

i posted it over and over at the time..but i can not now find the article in my files..i have searched..but i pointed out then..this particular article from i believe it was the guardian..but it could have been the BBC..that he either emailed Judith..or told her verbally..but i think it was in an email..that he couldn't wait to get back into Iraq to see the people he knew..orsomething to that fact..but that he had to wait until after Sept..and his oldest daughters wedding..

what man tells someone else about his daughters wedding..and then commits suicide before her wedding??

no rational man would do that to his daughter..especially after bragging about her said impending wedding..and making a point he wanted to so go back to an area he was so in love with ..like Iraq and to see the people he cared about..but had to wait till after his daughters wedding..

maybe someone else can find this old article..i have tried to find it..and i was beginning to think it was scrubbed by some nefarious persons..( or government?) ..but to me that statement by Dr Kelly..blew up the entire suicide story..

but i remember ..it so bugged me at the time..why would any man kill himself less than 2 months before his daughters wedding??

that will always bug me.

fly

some of your points:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397256&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source

Norman Baker has spent six months investigating the death of the Government weapons expert, found dead in an Oxfordshire wood three years ago.

~snip~

His concerns begin with the method of Dr Kelly's supposed suicide, cutting a minor artery with a blunt gardening knife.

He would have been the only person that year to have successfully killed themselves that way in the UK.

The scientist's family and friends insist he had shown no sign of feeling suicidal. Emails and the minutes of meetings he attended also showed him behaving perfectly normally - and he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding.

~snip~

The tragic story began in May 2003 when BBC radio journalist Andrew Gilligan alleged that the Government had deliberately 'sexed up' a dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to justify an invasion.

The Government went on the offensive and eventually exposed Dr Kelly as the BBC man's source, a move which thrust the publicity-shy scientist into a media storm.

Days later, the 59-year-old father of three was found slumped under a tree five miles from his home in Abingdon, Oxfordshire.

~snip~

Although Dr Kelly was facing intense pressure over his exposure as the BBC source, Mr Baker produces evidence that he did not appear depressed.

Two days before his death, he made jokes at a Government committee meeting. On the day he disappeared, he spoke of returning to Iraq in the future.

He was a member of the Baha'i faith, which forbids suicide, and one of his daughters was about to marry. Dr Kelly's sister Sarah Pape, a consultant plastic surgeon, told the Hutton Inquiry: "In my line of work I deal with people who may have suicidal thoughts, and I ought to be able to spot those even in a phone conversation.

But I do know a guy who did something similar and almost bled to death with a screw driver.

He was trying to rig up something while making a difficult repair and the whole thing slipped and ripped his forearm open.

He staggered across the street and was banging on my neighbor's door. She called 9-11 and luckily they got there before he bled out.

But I doubt you would be doing that kind of thing with a gardening knife.

Just saying: if there is an impossibly stupid way to die.....well, most likely it's already been done....but just the once.


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"The scientist's family and friends insist he had shown no sign of feeling suicidal. Emails and the minutes of meetings he attended also showed him behaving perfectly normally - and he was looking forward to his daughter's wedding."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397256&in_page_id=1770

And you're right, flyarm, it doesn't add up as a suicide.

was from one of his family members i believe if i remember correctly..or a family friend quoting his email to judith miller..saying he wants to go back to iraq..and in fact can't wait to ..but he must wait till after his daughters wedding in September..it was shortly after his death..it was reported in a british paper..i believe it was in the email he sent to judith miller..or another friend..

I have a new computer since then and had my files moved to new computer..by a computer guy..but damn i can't get into my files!!
i remember posting the article over and over..and asking people who have daughters..does this sound like a man who would commit suicide..a proud dad who was looking forward to walking his daughter down the isle in her wedding??

doesn't happen that way folks..no dad of a daughter about to be married would dissapoint his daughter by killing himself..maybe if they were estranged and he wasn't going to be at the wedding..but ..dads and daughters have a very special bond prior to their getting married..its a duty to walk their daughters down the isle..

this story has been bullshit from the get go..what scientist kills himself this way..as if the man couldn't figure out common chemicals to do it??

this man did not commit suicide..

he was done in by either our cia or m16...

it was at the time that John Wilson wrote the editorial..within days..

this is such bullshit..and i just wonder how his family lives with it..it must be horrible..

fly

Must be terribly irritating not to be able to access your files - hope you can get back into them soon.
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Found this timeline in the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/hutton/story/0,,1024363,00.html

And from it, "Kelly was in 'normal' frame of mind days before his death":
http://media.guardian.co.uk/iraqdossieraffair/story/0,,1016413,00.html

Fellow weapons inspector Terence Taylor had known Dr Kelly since 1985.

Mr Taylor had stayed with the Kelly family in Oxfordshire three to four weeks before the microbiologist's death and had last spoken to his friend four days before he died.

Mr Taylor told the inquiry how Dr Kelly was looking forward to his daughter's wedding in October and said there seemed to be "nothing unusual" in his demeanour.

"Most of our discussion was about the Iraq survey group. He was clearly thinking about that. He said he was probably going out in about a week's time," he said.



An odd bit from that article caught my eye about Dr. Kelly having once worked to decontaminate a Scottish island contaminated by anthrax. Anthrax? Hmm.

I hope that someday, preferably sooner rather than later, that both his family and we learn the truth because what has been used to cover the truth is one stinking heap of manure.

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A man who can kill himself and then get rid of the evidence is a man capable of anything!

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Hutton inquiry was the Warren Commission of the Blair govt.

The same way that Marvin Bush's babysitter ran over herself with a car. Fackin' Magic!
It sure would be something to see this unravel.