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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:26 AM
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Cindy Sheehan: Matthew 7:3 (Look It Up)


Matthew 7:3 (Look It Up)
by Cindy Sheehan

It is truly touching the way First Lady Laura Bush cares about the people of Burma and is using her officiousness (oops…I think that may be the wrong word…or is it?) to bring attention to the admittedly horrible situation there. There are very few people in the world that would not sympathize with or become outraged when monks are beaten and killed because they protested high gas prices.

Wait a minute…they were protesting high gas prices? Gas? Hmmm…what does that tell us? As Democracy Now! Host, Amy Goodman has written, Chevron is a major player in that country’s destabilization because the gas that travels in its pipeline supports the military junta. Why, when there is trouble around the world a US oil company is usually behind it? And isn’t it amazing that a former member of Chevron’s board is our Secretary of State and a former Unocal employee is now president of Afghanistan? In my opinion oil based diplomacy is centered on destruction and tyranny and nothing positive has ever come from it.

I understand Laura’s concern for Burma and its brutal oppression under the military junta. I have those same concerns. However, a recent article in WaPo extolling Laura’s deep humanitarian concern mentions that she has visited 68 countries in her tenure as First Lady. I wonder if she has been to Iraq? I wonder if she has visited the millions of Iraqi and Palestinian refugees in Jordan and Syria who have been forced from their country by her husband’s tragic policies?

I wonder if Laura has read the most recent studies that say over a million Iraqis have been killed since her husband’s “shocking and awful” on March 20. 2003? Does she feel the same compassion and concern for a country that has been plunged into violence and chaos by the person who sleeps (and very well by his own admission) right next to her every night?

Does Laura know that her husband’s hired guns in Iraq, Blackwater (and the rest) gun down Iraqis just because they can? Presidential Medal of Honor recipient, Jerry Bremer gave mercenary killers immunity when he was head of the Coalition Provisional Authority—-which was just really a military junta that morphed into a puppet government “led” by men put in place by BushCo and are kept in place as long as they tow the line that murders and displaces their brothers and sisters.

Doesn’t Laura know that her husband has authorized the torture of other human beings? Even though such inhumane acts such as water-boarding, sexual humiliation, desecration of religious symbols, extremes of noise and temperature are called “enhanced interrogation techniques” in our Orwellian BushSpeak age, it is torture no matter which way one strangles or manipulates the language. Just because the people being tortured are not red-robed monks, Laura, they are still people.

Hello, Laura: The people of New Orleans still don’t have homes to return to and our streets are filled with the homeless, sick, and hopeless. Families can’t afford insurance for their children and are declaring bankruptcy or losing their homes while Laura’s spouse vetoes their hope. Our jobs are going overseas to be performed by virtual slaves so Wal Mart can keep its shelves stocked. As a last resort, our children join the military to be misused because most people can’t afford the exorbitant costs of college or trade schools and unions have been busted under such “free” trade agreements as NAFTA/CAFTA. Laura’s husband has been good for his base, the “haves and have mores,” but the rest of us are becoming the “haves less.”

more...

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/15/4537/
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:51 AM
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1. Yup. Cindy's clearly gone off the rails
How does a woman with such an obviously looney-tunes worldview have the audacity to challenge an establishment Democrat? And why is she still allowed to post her misguided bile on a "Democratic" forum? Please go away, Cindy, and seek therapy elsewhere. :sarcasm:X 10
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:36 PM
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9. Why doesn't she ever criticize Republicans? That's what I want to know?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:41 PM
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10. Is Laura Bush a politician?
I wasn't aware of that.

One of the reasons Sheehan is going to get so little a share of vote next year, if she really runs, is her inability to offer any hope. It's all anger and lashing out and outrage, all of the time. And she offers no positive ideas at all.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:56 PM
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15. bush certainly is. And she's very critical of his policies, if you read the OP.
What percentage of the vote do you predict she will get if she runs?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:17 PM
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17. If she really does run, I think she won't get more than 10 to 15
percent of the vote.

And I did go and read the whole article. She used Laura bush, to some degree as a proxy to attack bush, a rhetorical device if you will. But why not just attack bush without a proxy?

The real problem is that this will only appeal to those who are her fans already. If you took a sampling of 100 Americans, I suspect you could count the number who agreed with her, on one hand.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:50 PM
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13. Is Laura a Democrat? n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:03 PM
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16. I was being sarcastic n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:26 PM
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19. ah...I was being obtuse
and not deliberately so.

Apologies.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:34 PM
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23. No problemo! I thought about putting a sarcasm thingy in, but went for the
stealth sarcasm instead.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:37 PM
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24. And I fell for it
What a rube I can be.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:52 PM
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33. You and me both.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:57 AM
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58. Actually she used to be a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. nt
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:05 PM
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61. Yeah, and I heard she sold weed, too
What I'd give to see THAT Laura. Maybe we could have saved her from the "dark side".
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:37 PM
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62. Her heart has already been sacrificed on the repuke alter of death.
there is no turning her.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:44 AM
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2. Look at all that craziness
Concern for human rights! Opposition to the Iraq War!

What's next? Concern for the poor?

We have to nip this in the bud. :sarcasm:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:55 AM
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3. Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:57 AM
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4. Laura must have got the green light from public relations
to talk about this one. What is the opposite of a comprehensive view of things? It is not exactly tunnel vision. Why does Mrs. Bush bother to say anything at all.

Right on Cindy.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:00 PM
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5. Go to hell, Sheehan
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 12:00 PM by Zandor
Sincerely,

Z

Proud Member, "Party of Slavery"
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:11 PM
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7. What is wrong with you?
Seriously, why post something that hateful toward her? If you don't agree with what she has to say, make a case as to why.

I alerted on your hate post.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:17 PM
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8. Please
There are f- yous directed at all kinds of public figures here, particularly those opposing Democrats.

Sheehan is dead to this party.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:47 PM
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12. True partisans will always cut off their nose to spite their face.
you don't have to like her, and I see you don't.

But your attitude is like the folks who attack Pelosi when she's doing what they want her to. It's counter productive, to say the least.

We live in a system (supposedly) where people can run for office that you don't like. Get over it.

Spewing hate begets more hate.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:31 PM
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21. Nancy is a Democrat of substance
so I'm puzzled when folks always bend to see her in the worst possible light.

Sheehan could do herself some good with a retraction and apology to Democrats.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:50 PM
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32. I think she's pissed at the power brokers, not at the rank and file.
She would have done better to say that Dems WERE the party of slavery, because that's indipusible fact. They were also the party of civil rights, with the exception of the Southern Dems who mostly left the party and went over to the Repos.

But regardless of that, I can't expect Cindy to do anything except what she feels she needs to do to push for an end to the illegal occupation.

And undoubtably, that will piss off some Dems, because some Dems were in favor of the invasion, and are currently in favor of maintaining the occupation.

She isn't party oriented, but then again neither are a lot of Americans.

She endorsed Dennis for President, not because he's a Dem, but because she thinks he's the best person for the job.

I just can't understand the hate.

I didn't like that Hill bashed Kerry with Repo memes, but I don't hate her. I like her when I think she does the right thing.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:20 PM
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18. Wrong - this party is dead to Cindy
And this party has nobody to blame but itself.
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:30 PM
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20. Good riddance, she was a cancer
She has declined from sympathetic figure to marginalized looney tune.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:43 PM
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28. in your humble opinion.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:01 PM
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47. How Ironic!
:D



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:04 PM
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60. In your fucking opinion which
means less than zero.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:37 PM
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25. If Cindy Sheehan were "dead" to Democrats, you wouldn't be here trying to sell that idea ---
Cindy Sheehan is one of the nation's most consistent leaders for democracy and freedom via
truth and accountability ---
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:41 PM
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27. She's not dead to democrats but
she is of no importance. Her support comes from a very narrow slice of Americans..
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:49 PM
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31. Agree she is of no importance
So isn't she of no importance (dead) to Democrats? :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:29 PM
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37. The anti-war movement is HUGE . . . and if of no importance, why are you here?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:40 PM
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40. Well, d&p, I am part of the anti-war movement.
I've marched in DC 3x, and in my state capitol more often, written letters to the editor, worked with AFSC, and thanked and urged on my reps.

Shockingly, I don't consider Sheehan particularly germane to the movement anymore. She marginalized herself, both by losing her focus on the anti-war movement and by making outlandish statements on a host of issues.

Am I alone? No, the majority of people who area against the war, feel as I do.

You should get out more.

Oh, and unlike Cindy who declared bizarrely that the income tax is unconstitutional, I believe in a progressive income tax and I'm aware of the 16th amendment. I'm also aware that dems didn't start every war in the 20th century but the first Gulf war.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:35 PM
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51. You opinion is certainly belied by the interest in Cindy Sheehan here at DU . . . for one ---
In act, you are posting on this thread because you also understand that.

Cindy Sheehan is currently standing against Pelosi because she has refused to IMPEACH Bush --
one of the quickest and best ways to end the war. In other words, she has expanded her efforts
re Iraq.

The rest is fanatical nonsense . ..

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:56 PM
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52. huh? your post is not striking for its coherency.
In any case, let me remind you that DU is not the anti-war movement; it's a tiny fraction of it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:32 PM
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63. Cindy Sheehan is as able an anti-war activist internationally as in the US . . .
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:03 PM
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59. dlc sucks the big
corporate teat.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:47 PM
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65. are you refering to the private "Zandor" party? if not-
you have no right speaking for others.

I'll say for the record- you don't represent my voice in the Democratic party~

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:41 PM
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11. I agree with Cali, how does your post aid in getting others to see your point of view?
I don't agree with all Cindy has said and or done but I have to give credit where credit is due and she has done much more than most people in getting the people to listen to more of those in the early days that were against his illegal invasion of Iraq.

You have every right not to agree with someone so why not explain why you don't agree with what she said above?

As far as being a party of slavery, read up on your history books k? It might help to explain where that comment though I feel defeating when not taken into full explanation came from.

I don't agree with how she has gone about attacking dems and not spend more time attacking those in charge right now but you cannot deny that it once was and that both parties were actually for it before they were against it.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:51 PM
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14. Don't worry, he is racking up the ignore lists faster
than the "Bench"
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:33 PM
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22. She brought it up to make Democrats look bad
It was so long ago.

Face it, she is the opposition.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:45 PM
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29. We are all the opposition. That's the whole point!
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:47 PM
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30. I meant she is the opposition to Democrats n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:56 PM
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35. She has endorsed a Democrat for President. So perhaps she's not just black or
white, or the devil you are desperatly trying to make her out as.

I just think you approach politics from a party point of view, and she approaches politics from an issues point of view.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:55 PM
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42. good way of looking at it. party point of view/issues point of view.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:59 PM
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36. That would be the republicans. (I'm teasing you here. )
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 02:59 PM by robinlynne
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:04 PM
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48. It is quite apparent who is the opposition.
:)


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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:34 PM
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38. Wow


Way to respond to what was written.

The level of discourse here is underground in more ways than one lately.

If you got your little pantaloons in a wad because the Democrats were scolded by Sheehan, how about trying to figure out why she might have done that? Or are your leaders totally above any reproach whatsoever?

As a lifelong registered Dem, who has lived among the yella dawg Dems who were behind segregation at the very least, I say you need to know that your party is far from perfect.

So is Sheehan. But she is in the public eye, putting her thoughts out there and taking the heat and all you can say is "go to hell."

I'm sure the Burmese monks appreciate your concern.....









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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:39 PM
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39. Transparent as always, Zandor.
Perhaps you should spit on her dead son's corpse, while you're at it.

That'll really send the message that she needs to toe the party line. :puke:
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Zandor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:55 PM
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43. She's the one that makes reference to her son, not me
If it weren't for his death, you'd have probably never heard of her.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:31 PM
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54. And because of her son, you want her to go to hell.
Classy.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:40 PM
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64. i'd be willing to bet my life
she'd much rather have her son back than your attention-

:shrug:

you are a strange one Zandor
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:00 PM
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46. Tinky Falwell awaits.
:hi:



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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:33 PM
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55. Awesome as always, SwampRat.
The Goatse reference is the icing on the hellfire cake. :applause:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:10 PM
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56. Finally!
It's about time someone caught the Goatse reference.

From now on, whenever I see that poster I will think of Goatse. :D

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:14 AM
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57. Well, that's a bit of a STRETCH...
But I think I will, too.

:rofl:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:43 PM
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50. Nice Reich-wing farting point
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:09 PM
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6. Damn. halfway through the article I was going to say New orleans, but she beat me
to it. Let's talk her into running as a dem, instead of third party? She will be a great congressperson.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:39 PM
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26. Agree -- Cindy Sheehan would be a great asset in the USHR or Senate . . .BUT . . .
Howard Zinn has made a very effective argument that many people can be more effective in changing things from outside of government -- Cindy certainly has been!!!

I'd like to see her inside government for a while fighting there ---

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:54 PM
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34. Bless Cindy Sheehan, a true woman of courage, a tireless peace warrior - speaking TRUTH to POWER.
Cindy Sheehan :yourock: :grouphug:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:58 PM
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44. "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts" ?
No?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:58 PM
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45. Thank you Cindy, for caring about us in New Orleans!
:hug:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:15 PM
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53. thanks, Cindy....
....as usual, you're right on target!
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