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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:24 PM Original message |
DLC is not part of the Democratic Party |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. They seem to vote with Dems around 80% of the time. While Blue Dogs... |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. They are one and the same, are they not? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Apparently not. n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. Blue Dog Democrats Come Primarily From The South |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
172. Agree, and it's better to get somebody that will vote with you... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
178. Are they? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
226. Gary Condit was a proud bluedog....fwiw. nt |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. The anti-DLCer's don't EVEN know the difference between |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
163. I'm more concerned with the SIMILARITIES...they ALL vote with corporations |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #163 |
202. What you said! |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
171. Lots of people don't do nuance very well either...n/t |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
207. todays centrist democrat is almost literally yesterday's scummy republican |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #207 |
215. Boy! you hit the nail on the hear...thank you... |
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station agent (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #207 |
218. Takes time to shake them off, look at 2008 |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Just to be clear |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Thanks... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. ... |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Exactly |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I think the anti-DLC PR is better than the anti-Blue Dog PR. |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. DLCer's are thought of here like |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. It's bandwagony, I think... once the information that Blue Dogs are the real |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Well MAYBE this anti-DLC crowd should educate themselves more |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
112. I'm glad you're here. |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
127. I find it effing OFFENSIVE that they TRASH Democrats in this disgusting way |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:33 AM Response to Reply #127 |
145. I'm no fan of DLC philosophy, but I agree with you |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
139. Jaysus, ...of J.Temperance, You're a DLCer who writes like a GOPer |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #139 |
196. That's not leadership,Kathy. |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #196 |
203. The article I linked to was an article that was printed back when Rove did matter. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #203 |
205. Good point. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
167. Well let's not get carried away... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
170. The problem with the southern Blue Dogs.. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Yup... it's up to us in the electorate to push more liberal dem |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #175 |
189. Yes, it's easier to pull teeth on a chicken in states like Virginia.. |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Gosh, and they are dems too |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Not fully understanding your point and comment here |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
135. You're a fan of the DLC now? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #135 |
166. I'm more left wing than most... not as left wing as many. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #166 |
199. I am not sure Blue Dogs are that bad |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #199 |
200. You have pulled out a few cases for comparison. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #200 |
204. thing is, the lowest D on this list is at 80.1% |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #204 |
206. I can't find the first analysis that I saw... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #199 |
220. If you get hung up on what percentage of the time somebody votes with The Party, |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
169. Yes, but it seems that 20% dissent is in favor of "endless war" and "corporate welfare" programs n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #169 |
177. Yup... they're socially liberal but fiscally conservative. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. This should be fun |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Please feel welcome to join me in my bunker |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I'll buy ya a beer |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
100. Great! A bunker! At least it's not a cardboard box... ^_^ |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. They're a think-tank |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I'm frustrated by them but I have to agree with you, I just wish couId |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. We don't understand the reasoning of |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
164. The feeling is mutual |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #164 |
210. great post! |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #210 |
224. Yeah thanks.. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #164 |
228. The developing world wants free trade. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #228 |
233. Oh sure |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
151. DLC reasoning is easy to understand: They want policies that help Wall Street make more profit. (nt) |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #151 |
173. I look at it a different way.. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. The DLC is a non-partisan group. They are not here to help Democrats win, otherwise they would be |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #180 |
188. Right. Wink-wink. Nod-nod...n/t |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Exactly. However, the winks and the nods are about tricking people into thinking that their agenda |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #190 |
192. No, it's about funneling more corporate dollars to the Democratic Party.. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. And what is given in return for that money? And why do they fight against other funding methods?(nt) |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #193 |
194. As I said nothing is free.. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. This particular group of people want the political game played this way. There is a difference |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. No they're not all Dems; some are Republicans n/t |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Which ones? |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Really? Post some proof to back-up your absurd allegations n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. I wonder why people post crazy shit like that. |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Because they're deeply ignorant that's why n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. According to the spining figure test, I am left brained which might be why I am applying |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. At least you |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. I'm not looking to shave the party down to the most pure. I rather like winning |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
89. That's the right attitude! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. There are many outside organizations who lobby the Dem party |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
128. Post proof of the Republicans you allege are members of the DLC please |
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cmd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
156. Thank you, mondo joe |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:41 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. By law they're not |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
106. DLC is an outside organization, a non-profit corporation |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. The DLC isn't a formal part of the party. But its members are, in their entirety. |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. Hey you....you were asked to provide PROOF of your BS allegations and slurs |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #125 |
158. Look farther down thread |
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GMFORD (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
140. You said it right. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
211. Because |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #211 |
227. Succinctly said! nt |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
143. It's sad that the DLC are dems. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. oh yeah, k&r. |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't have a problem with the DLC being a part |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Some elected members of Congress aliegn with the DLC, but the DLC is, as |
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Devlzown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. They have every right to do what they do... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Amen to that! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Very true |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
64. Which Independents and Republicans would they be? |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
133. Joe Lieberman leaps to mind. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
159. Check their web site |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Sen. Feingold's already working on that! |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
146. I think you missed the point |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. Al Gore thinks so |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Al Gore has long distanced himself quite publicly from the DLC, in a lot of very |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
76. Show me where he directly disavowed them n/t |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
124. Single payer health insurance, repeated appearences at MoveOn functions, |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #124 |
179. What does his appearance at Moveon functions have to do with it? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #179 |
231. The DLC has never been too friendly with the grass roots. They are more attuned to |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Quit repeating that lie |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
71. It's a direct quote n/t |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. It no longer is true |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Prove it |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. YOU are the one that claimed he IS DLC 1st |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I provided a quote, and have many more |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. What is the quote? |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. During his last political campaign |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. DLC Membership list |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
129. OzarkDem should read that list, and tell us WHERE exactly the Republicans are on it |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. DUH! |
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Just-plain-Kathy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:37 AM Response to Reply #129 |
141. Yes, all you see are DEMOCRATS on that list ...DEMOCRATS like Hillary... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #129 |
152. Difference between being a member |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #129 |
153. I'm referring to those who control DLC & PPI - board and staff |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:25 AM Response to Reply #116 |
155. Thanks for the List! |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #155 |
217. You are most welcome |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:41 AM Response to Reply #71 |
142. I'll bet if I asked you mother |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
48. Why do you say things that others on Du refute and then don't back up your allegations? |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. Show me where Gore disavowed the DLC n/t |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
121. Didn't someone provide a list of current members? I didn't see Gore on the list? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
229. gore is not an elected official |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Gore broke with the DLC in 2000 (Published in Boston Globe 8/20/2000): |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Got something in Gore's own words? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Here's the traitorous DLC blaming his "loss" on moving away from DLC to become |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. The DLC and every wing of the party |
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cmkramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
115. Wikipedia? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. You surely forgot the sarcasm button. |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #115 |
130. Anyone is allowed to write articles for Wikipedia |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
111. LOL! Look what Gore said July 15, 2000 |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. I agree with the OP |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. I agree with the OP and you |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Good links |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. 5 of your 7 links of course are MASSIVELY biased and HATE the DLC anyway |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
216. dude -- if you think sources like OpenLeft, Common Dreams, DailyKos, |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
65. Thank you-deserves it own thread! |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Not much of it is FACT though |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
136. Do you have anything better than "nu uh!" to add to the debate? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. You're quite welcome, and thank you. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
174. This entire thread, and possibly this board, has been infiltrated with DLCers. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #174 |
201. Heavy handed tactics are the only thing they have |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #174 |
230. Democrats |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
186. I blissfully thought I had them all on "ignore". This thread has proven me wrong. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #186 |
221. Ahhhh.... that's SO much easier on the eyes. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. Dean was asked about them at his John Hopkins speech... |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
31. This sort of crap shouldn't be allowed on a Democratic forum |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Oh stop it |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. 99.9% of DLCer's are members of the Democratic Party n/t |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Actually, it's 100% |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. And if I'd have said 100% |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #38 |
197. Could have SWORN I saw Lieberman's name on that list. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. There's a TON of Democratic Senators and Congressmen |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Your comparison is pretty bizarre |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No, it's not bizarre in the least. Just illustrating your logical fallacy |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. This isn't bashing the DLC, it is showing you the illogic you employed in your statement |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
149. I think you need this... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Some Christians are Democrats. Some Democrats are Christian. All DLCers are |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Don't try and make sense, they just DON'T get SENSE you see |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
107. The order matters, Joe. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Assuming TON wasn't meant literally, I don't know how exacty to measure the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Elected Democrats are a subset of all Democrats |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
98. By law, they're no more part of the party than MoveOn |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #98 |
131. You know EXACTLY what I'm meaning |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #131 |
160. Yes, but that's not what people are saying here |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. Ozark, what made them change from being grassroots to being like republicans |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
103. I don't know much about how they originated |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. The DLC is part of the Democratic Party. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. they are globalist pig con artist PNACers disguised as "Democrats" |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. ...and they want to turn the Democratic party into a submissive branch of the republican party |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. I don't dispute the voting figures redqueen gave above |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Re. Strategy |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I agree - it can be discussed |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I agree too |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Here are some issues |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Personally |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I think this is a matter of some of our views just differing |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. That's what it is |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. True - we have the same goal! |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Yeah we do! |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Ending the war would save money |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:39 AM Response to Reply #88 |
147. punish success????? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. The DLC realizes EXACTLY what we are dealing with |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. You might be right |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. well for one , calling yourself "centrist" |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I'm a Centrist Democrat |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
109. "Centrist" is just spin |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
148. socially liberal??? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. "centrist" is code-speak for unprogressive status-quo lover |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Don't look to politics for revolutionary change or saints. The point of politics |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #92 |
182. "centrist" is also a relative term.. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #75 |
154. DLC policy positions aren't centrist |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yes, they are. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. Oh you are so right. They're really quite awful and |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
72. The DLC is behind rich, powerful candidates. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #72 |
183. Yes, they were essentially the "if you can't beat 'em".. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #183 |
232. I agree, but the new direction has to come from more than talk. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
79. The DLC was co-founded by a member of PNAC: Will Marshall |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
117. Oh man! This needs broadcasting. |
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johnfunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
102. I am CONFUSED... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Legally, they are not part of the party |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. For goodness sakes, the DLC is not part of the party. But the members are Democrats, nominated |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. Imagine how cranky we can get by next October. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
123. Thanks for being logical and making sense |
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...of J.Temperance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. How is the OP showing the DLC haters how illogical their arguments are? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Good luck with supporting self appointed leaders in the DEMOCRACTIC party. nt |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #126 |
138. You've got a right to defend those DINO a$$holes? Well I've got a right to call them DINO a$$holes! |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #126 |
161. Folks who vote like a Republican are not Democrats. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #161 |
165. There is not a fixed definition of what it is to vote LIKE a Repub or a Dem. Party platforms |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #161 |
219. And coincidentally, Zell Miller was a DLCer too! n/t |
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SlingBlade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
137. That's not true |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #137 |
150. Vote for Dems who represent the party and its platform |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #150 |
184. Not necessarily true.. |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
144. Ever notice...? |
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zazzle (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
162. The DLC does "win" elections! |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #162 |
185. Better Blue Dogs than right wing repubs...n/t |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
168. You got that right! K & R n/t |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
176. K and R |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
181. DU Poll showed how many voters support them: 6 of 285 SCREENSHOT |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #181 |
187. doesn't that poll simply show how many DUers consider themselves "DLC" Democrats? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #187 |
191. where is the DLC board with more participants? on issue polls most people are progressive |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #191 |
198. most people don't care enough to join a discussion group |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #198 |
222. NAFTA, GATT, WTO |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #181 |
209. Ooooo - that's great scientific research......NOT |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #209 |
223. what have you got to show broad based support for DLC? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
208. So you're saying John Kerry and Al Gore aren't part of the Democratic Party |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
212. "D"LC, Inc. is a Corporate Lobbying Firm |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
213. The DLC has always sucked |
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CaptJasHook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
214. What arrogance! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
225. okay, the DLC is not "officially" part of the Democratic Party.But neither is the progressive caucus |
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