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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:31 PM
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An End to Straw Men on DU
straw man
–noun
1. a mass of straw formed to resemble a man, as for a doll or scarecrow.
2. a person whose importance or function is only nominal, as to cover another's activities; front.
3. a fabricated or conveniently weak or innocuous person, object, matter, etc., used as a seeming adversary or argument: The issue she railed about was no more than a straw man.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:34 PM
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1. Yeah... that should do it
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:38 PM
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8. Heheh.
Yep, it sure is a great wish and it's good to remind people, but being one of the most popular types of bad arguments on the internet, I doubt those who overuse it will give up the crutch that easily.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:35 PM
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2. You have my vote. nt
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:35 PM
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3. Why do you hate scarecrows?
The USLF* is watching you...



*United Scarecrow Liberation Front
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:37 PM
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6. The National Scarecrow League
considers the USLF to be a bunch of stuffed shirts. So there!
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:51 PM
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23. Scarecrows stuff their codpieces too
:thumbsup:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:14 PM
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28. It's a fact:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:36 PM
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4. It's called Freedom of Speech, asshole.
Why are you trying to piss on the constitution?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:41 PM
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11. Oh look at that shiny thing over there - the constitution.
Strawman? lol
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:41 PM
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12. lol
:thumbsup:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:37 PM
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5. Are you saying I can't yell "bigotry" whenever I don't like the Board Moderation?
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:44 PM
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14. Bigotry is a straw man?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:50 PM
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22. What a bigoted response

Also, please stop kicking puppies. :P
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:26 PM
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30. It is when it's a thinly-veiled whine about the way DU is moderated.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 04:41 PM by dicksteele
nm
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:38 PM
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7. Now I can understand why they use that word so often, it sure does
appear alot lately, strawman issues and such, I think giving so much attention to the likes of coulter etc is a strawman attempt to direct one's outrage away from whats more important...

Did I get it right?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:42 PM
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13. That's more of a Red Herring, really. A distraction.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 03:43 PM by greyl
A straw argument can be concisely described as "attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position".

Some decent info on other fallacious arguments here: www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#straw
Wikipedia also has a great page on logical fallacies: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:49 PM
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20. Interesting, got it though, learn something new everyday....I see the difference.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:05 PM
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25. yeah..what he said
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:38 PM
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9. My condolences.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:47 PM
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17. If I only had a ... how did that go again?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:06 PM
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35. Doh!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:48 PM
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18. We need an end to Tin Men
people without a brain.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:01 PM
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33. We really need an end to Oil Men.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:56 PM
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24. If I only had a brain....
Might as well wait for the rapture....

Until then, the Strawman and his good buddy "http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw/The_Irishman">the True Irishman," will be alive and well.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:24 PM
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29. You BIGOT! Showing a scarecrow with a noose around his neck!
:rofl:

:hi:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:40 PM
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10. You're right - now that i know what a straw man is I'm sure I will never use one again
and no one else will either.

Thank you jgraz.

Bryant
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:46 PM
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16. Actually, I think you should put up a poll about it
:P
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:45 PM
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15. Where's the logic? This post is just a weak, vague, hyperbolic
red herring.:P ;)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:49 PM
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19. Some people say that is not true...
:hide:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:49 PM
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21. Yet another Conspiracy Theory Post...
So, all posts on DU that you don't like are "straw man" posts. Do you think we all meet so that we can beat up on you? Get over yourself!

:P
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:09 PM
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26. Your post is a strawman.
Well, it is.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:19 PM
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31. Well, no it isn't.
Why do you think it is?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:23 PM
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32. Because it defines strawman
It's the very definition of strawman.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:13 AM
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37. Heheh. :)
However, the word "red" isn't the color red.
But you never said it was. ;)
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:09 PM
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27. Self referential irony.
You have posted a conveniently weak argument. Your "an end to straw men on DU" is a strawman argument. In a perfect world your post would annihilate itself.
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:02 PM
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34. Nice post, Hitler.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 06:09 PM
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36. Are we going to have a bonfire?
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 06:10 PM by Skidmore
I'm going to get the marshmallows.
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