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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:11 AM Original message |
Teenager Shot And Killed After Allegedly Stealing Bale Of Hay |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Let me start this one |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. shoot first, think later... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Yep |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I guess you missed the part were they say the guns were unloaded.... |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Nope, i seen it |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. And of course because he says so makes it so. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. At this point his story has just as much credibility as the other. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Lies of a criminal? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Uh, a kid swiping a hay bale to use in a Halloween scene set up |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I was referring to the post above me, where it was said that... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
97. well, they were trying to get into a gun range |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. STEALING IS A CRIME |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. and we DON'T believe in the DEATH PENALTY for property theft.... |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Are you okay with killing the kid? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. This is one sick post |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Murder is appropriate punishment for stealing a bale of hay? |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. I never said the kid should have been shot or even shot at. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Well, while stealing is a crime, he was never convicted of stealing :) |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. my original comment was in response to comment #43: |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. I have myself |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Yes, they were wrong for shooting at you |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. well, one thing my mom did do for me |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. If they shoot at you and hit you, that is not an accident |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I guess I just see it differently. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I would have waited an hour for the police |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. So you advocate for vigilante justice and irresponsible use of firearms... |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. no I advocate that my actions were wrong |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Just because one person, or group of people, act irresponsibly, doesn't give yet another person or.. |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
181. If you belive that sort of thing deserves deadly force, |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. and by the way |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. And now I know your malfunction, property, in your world, is worth more than human beings. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. no, I would neve shot at someone unless |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. And that is just as wrong... |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
120. You're all over the place buddy |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. maybe so, |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #122 |
138. I don't either, but MURDER is a ton worse than what the young men may/may not have done |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #138 |
146. How do you define murder? |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Why do you keep trying to change the subject from the topic at hand? |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I believe I do understand. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Sounds an awful like blaming the victim |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. so are you saying the victim has no responsibility for the choice |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:00 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. He was a kid, he did something stupid, but did not deserved to be killed over a bail of hay |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. I have been very clear on my view of the trigger-happy guy |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. You made some knee jerk reactions in attempting to blame the victims |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. I don't think that I had a knee-jerk reaciton |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Seems both of you have forgot one little detail. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. That's what he, who has been charged with murder, says |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #154 |
161. The boy who survived the attack begs to differ. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Why do you take the word of someone charged with murder? |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #162 |
167. Why do you take the word of someone charged with murder? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #161 |
172. Doesn't seem like he's lying about what he did. He admits it, in fact. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #172 |
174. I'm not to sure about that. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #174 |
180. Post 54 has video of truck and gun, which was scoped. NT |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #180 |
184. Thank you, didn't see the video in that link. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #174 |
195. The Columbus Disppatch carried a story yesterday |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. that is an excellent point. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #156 |
158. The fatal shot came when they were 1/4 mile down the road in their truck with their backs to him |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #158 |
163. a quarter of a mile is not that far. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. It's far enough for them to not have been a threat to him |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:44 AM Response to Reply #158 |
166. The fatal shot came when they were 1/4 mile down the road |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #166 |
168. No worries |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. That's the way it is around here. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #169 |
179. Good to hear Vermont & Texas are alike like that |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #148 |
182. Whether or not their actions were wrong is irrelevant. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #182 |
189. so if someone walks out in front your car and you hit and kill them |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Apples and oranges buddy. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
104. Being a Shooting Victim Doesn't Absolve Anyone of Personal Responsibility for Thieving |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. He is responsible for stealing hay, but not for being shot |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. The caretaker had a choice, to shoot or not to shoot, he chose wrong. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. If you accept responsibility for your own actions, you can't be a good DUer. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Yes, that is EXACTLY it... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
127. Apparently you do not know the definition of murder. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. It wasn't First Degree Murder, but Second Degree, sounds like it to me... |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:07 AM Response to Reply #133 |
144. And you know the shooter's intentions how? |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #144 |
170. Um, 'cause he shot at them? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. The kids are responsible for their actions, and the guy who shot the kid is responsible for his |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. I agree completely |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
128. I don't believe he was trying to hurt let alone kill anyone. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. Is that why he aimed square in the kids back? With a scope? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. What the fuck was he doing shooting at them then? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Sorry, what you and your friends did shouldn't warrant death. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:39 AM Response to Reply #96 |
142. repukes think like that |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #142 |
165. Yup |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
125. So is shooting people. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
91. Last time I checked, murder/manslaughter is a crime. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. To some people, life isn't worth much. n/t |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
141. Amazing how people rush to the defense of a thief, too.... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #141 |
196. Christ Almighty. How dense are you? |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Apparently not as dense as some.... |
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KeineAhnung (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
192. Tennesee vs. Garner n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
139. Shooting the kid gor him a murder charge. Real bright. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. This IS what passes for thinking ... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Damn straight, lord only knows what that boy would have done to that hay |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. Musta been one slow bullet... |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. The shooter has been charged with murder & attempted murder |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Theft of property is not a defense to homicide. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Right on |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Not just my opinion. It's law in Ohio. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. What is the law regarding fleeing felons? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
107. You're assuming they are felons. Why? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Robbery is a felony. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #113 |
173. Ah, there wasn't a trial or conviction and, anyway, I don't believe |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Robbery (not merely theft) is always a felony. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #107 |
143. Robbing at gunpoint |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #143 |
177. Won't know until the trial whether the jury/judge believes that |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #177 |
183. It is not my "assertion" that shooting felons is okay |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #183 |
185. Sorry for misinterpeting your earlier post :) NT |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #185 |
187. No problem! |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
112. Deadly force may only be used to prevent an imminent, ... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
82. At least not in Ohio |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
114. I'm guessing that the law there assumes... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. It's based on a presumption that a nocturnal intruder is a cattle rustler or horse thief |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. How many arms did these kids have? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Darn right, what's a little stealing among friends? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. And the "hard of reading" crowd comes out to play |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. The bottom line is pretty fucking simple: If they hadn't been stealing, they |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. And, of course, we only have his word for that too... There was no mention |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
64. Since when is stealing a capital offense? nt |
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DrunkenMaster (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Damn Right! |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I think KarlSchneider is just itching to use his popgun on someone. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
115. If they had firearms in their possession, it is a felony. n/t |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #115 |
178. IF they had. That's for a judge/jury to decide...not the caretaker. NT |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #178 |
188. You misunderstand the point. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #188 |
193. Except in this case they were fleeing in a truck a quarter of a mile away |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Then he's guilty of murder. |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-18-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #194 |
198. Fair enough |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Ohio follows the retreat rule. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. They had 4 |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
87. Where did you get that info? It wasn't in the article which said only that |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
132. I just had to rely on my rudimentary understanding of math and biology. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
136. He's being cute. Two "arms" as in legs and arms. n/t |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Ahh... Okay. got it. maybe a little slow, but I'll blame that on the red tide and a cold. nt |
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Momgonepostal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. How much is one bale of hay worth, anyway? nt |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Apparently the life of one teenage boy. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Four dollars - according to the kids mother. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Around here, its about $2.50. |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Well, with the late frost & drought hay is worth a fortune just south of Ohio |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. yup, gonna' be a tough winter her in VA, too |
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doodadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Decent hay in Calif. is up to $15 a bale |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Round bales in the Southeast- 65 bucks!!!!!!!!! |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
78. OT, but good luck with your case |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
9. Isn't this a gun masturbator's wet dream? To kill someone for stealing?... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. Um, no |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:13 PM Original message |
LOL. Thanks for not reading the thread before you run your mouth. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
80. I was just following your example |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
108. He can't talk. He has his hands full, |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Are You A Gun Masturbator? |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
14. Doh! |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Did you read the whole story?????? n/t |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Okay... |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. True. But I just wanted to point out there are conflicting stories. |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. Did it not occur to Whisman to simply shoot... |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. Seems like conflicting stories. |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Serious contradiction in Whisman's story: |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. As I said, I doubt his story but I also find this part odd..... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. His story has the smell of someone who knows he f-cked up - big time. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yes, it does smell. n/t |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. The kid that got shot may have already been sitting. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Somebody call Arlen Specter STAT! |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. You are forgetting there were two of them |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Pretty hard to claim the kid was a mortal threat if he was driving away. nt |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Where did i say he shot while they were driving away? |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Not necessarily. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. Were both kids in the cab of the truck? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
45. Shooting at a theif driving away -- bad; shooting at a thief pointing a gun at you -- justifiable |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Agree 100%. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
54. Here's an update. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Sounds like murder to me... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. He probably thought he was just going to put a hole in the bed of their truck and scare them |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You would think that someone who is familiar with guns would know that there are no... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Totally agree with you. |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 04:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
145. You DO NOT "Shoot to Kill" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
110. If That ... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. On the contrary, unless he was firing with a handgun, or a .22 rifle... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Well, most center-fire rifle cartridges could go through both easily. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. If you watch the video in the OP you will see the bullet struck.... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. there was no mention of a scope. Why are you lying about this? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Hey, just because you are ignorant of the facts, that doesn't make other people liars. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #135 |
159. Great info, thanks for posting that |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #159 |
186. No problem. Do you hear those crickets chirping from that other poster? n/t |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. I'm hearing A LOT of crickets on this thread |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. The first shot was fine. The second was murder. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Nothing wrong with that? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. True enough |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I just get pissed of at people that carry no respect for the lethality of firearms and... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
118. Read my post again, I live in the boonies. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Living in the boonies isn't a defense, using a shotgun might, as long as you don't... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. In addition to that, you commit a felony every time you use the gun as you described... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
119. Only illegal in urban areas. I don't live in an urban (or even suburban) area. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. As far as I can tell, there is no exceptions for rural areas... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #124 |
134. Actually, there IS no specific law against it. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. I stand corrected then(after an exhaustive search on Google)... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Well, if that's true, it's some form of homicide |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. Sounds like an inappropriate use of deadly force |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
121. Unless the kid threatened the shooter |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-16-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
98. How stupid must someone be to use deadly force over a lousy |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
150. Bizzaro world. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
171. If the hay was so dear to the owner, why didn't he write down... |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-17-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
176. Sometime Bale Napping can have deadly consequences...poor kid...all he had to do was ask.... |
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