"What is it if you have (Rudy) Giuliani and Hillary (Clinton) in the general election?"

American needs "two parties, not one," Elizabeth says.
"What is it if you have (Rudy) Giuliani and Hillary (Clinton) in the general election? Well, you have two people who are pro-war. Two people who aren't going to change the health-care system. Two who are going to keep trade the same. What's the choice?"

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/206695

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who isn't; one who is pro choice, one who isn't; one who wants to bring gays closer to equal before the law and one who doesn't...

I don't remember Mrs. Clinton filibustering the Military Commissions Act, and I believe she approved all the PATRIOTs

Remember?

but legislate exactly the same. In some ways Giuliani is more socially liberal than Hillary. Her crusade against violent video games and flag burning, for one.

If you want to keep singing the same old "They're the same" fallacy, you might as well.

Of course the Kuciniches will support the nominee just like last time. But they are pointing out the dangers to having corporatists run the country, that there's differences between them but they're essentially not for us, but for Business.

:-)

are still burned in my mind.

at this point to still suggest there's no difference between Bush and Gore. Too bad we have all paid such a steep price for that lesson.

than just those two things.

That was a perfect answer.

Wrong then, wrong now.

still fall for the same stale shit.

To quote Jon Stewart.

Does anyone really think that Gore would have done the damage to this country and the world that bushco has done?

for his environmental work if Gore was sitting in the White House right now. Gore=Bush, right? :sarcasm:

education thanks to Bush's tax schemes and NCLB.

Tell them they'd be no better off with a Gore presidency.

Thus by that, it's not tolerable to have Hillary and Giuliani win their respective primaries.

That is the point of democracy - for the people to decide.

Because they see the system as so corrupt and alienating them that there's no point.

idea that in a Democracy the optimal situation is to have the most radically different nominees against each other.

- Jim Hightower.

don't vote.

A lot of people simply aren't dissatisfied with the country and don't feel the need to get involved in politics.

And people who don't vote are spread all over the political spectrum. 100% turnout wouldn't drastically change anything.

They thought McGovern was too corrupt and alienating?

you're a woman who doesn't want to see abortion rights eroded, if you're an immigrant who doesn't want to be thrown into detention camps and see walls built, and children born here not being American citizens. It's not a small difference if you care about the environment in big and small ways. It's not a small difference if you care about the federal judiciary. It's not a small difference if you care about retaining the inheritance tax. It's not a small difference if you want to see children get health insurance under SCHIP. It's not a small difference if you want Habeas restored. It's not a small difference if you want to see the muscular War Profiteering Prevention Act passed.

Oh, never mind. You're not going to change your mind. I'm not going to change mine.

others' lives that they can't see that difference.

to see that. It's sad.

are to many people.

to Gitmo.

So it's mostly a difference of style.

Color me shocked.

Their nominations to the judicial system would be vastly different. That alone would be enough reason for me to give all I have to elect whomever is the Democratic nominee.

I was looking for the punchline.

the red states will have their choice between two New Yorkers hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

:-)

He can't even fill out paperwork correctly to have his name removed from the ballot in MI and he;s gonna run this country getting done all the things he promises?

:rofl:

He's already master of the protest vote. Imagine all the vetoes he'll be able to issue! Nothing will get done! It'll be great!

Too busy using all that money he's raised to take junkets to Syria and back to California & Florida, while largely ignoring the campaign aside from more pleas for money. He's abandoned his supporters on several occassions and just generally been absent.

I like the guy on most of his issues, but he's not appealing at all as a candidate. I wonder how all of this will translate back home in his district?

any ability to move an agenda forward, or build a consensus.

confuse Hillary and Rudy.

no need to waste the gasoline to go vote. washington would be business as usual with FULL SPEED AHEAD into the brick wall.

Yeah, who can tell the difference?

Sad that SCOTUS has become politicized, but it's happened and we need to deal with it.

Sadder still are those like the OP who don't see it's importance.

your actual stance on policies. But even if you're a staunch advocate for choice, equality before the law and so on, you are indistinguishable from the GOP candidate.

:hide:

Vote Hillary to keep those people out.
She will make a fine President.

..the other will do it on principle J/k

Clinton won't veto bills 'just to not lose' or in response to Rush Limbaugh.

What a crappy election that would be.

And while I'm confident that any Democrat can kick Rudy's ass, I still don't want that putz to win the nomination. I don't want to see his face plastered all over my TV for another year.

i stil can't believe that 51% of dems are stupid enough to give clinton and carville the time of the day, let alone nominate them to triangulate the party out of an identity again

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%