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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:01 PM
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Poll question: Does sitting on the board of a large, multinational corporation make you a "corporatist"?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:02 PM
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1. That is a trick question. Gore is on several boards, and he is not a corporatist.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:17 PM
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5. Trick question how?
Who brought up Gore?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:19 PM
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7. I did. because you can't answer yes or no to this question. you're wrong either way.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:21 PM
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9. It's a yes or no question
Either the act of sitting on the board IN ITSELF makes you a corporatist, or it doesn't. If Gore really does sit on the board of a corporation, as you claim, and you don't believe Gore is a corporatist, then your answer would be NO. What's so tricky about that?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:25 PM
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13. He sits on the board of many. apple is one. I dont think it is a yes or a no question.
No is wrong.
yes is wrong.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:28 PM
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14. Ok I'll make this a little bit more simple:
Al Gore sits on the board of a corporation
Al Gore (according to you) is not a corporatist
Therefore, the act of sitting on a board does not make you a corporatist.

That doesn't mean that people sitting on boards aren't corporatists, it just means that the act of sitting on a board in and of itself does not make you one. Would you agree?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:31 PM
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18. I answered at the same time. What I think is there. I think it's more subtle than yes or no.
But ignore me and move ahead. I didn't mean to stop the conversation. I thought you were going to trick whoever answered yes or no.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:46 PM
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49. All poodles are dogs. All dogs aren't poodles. n/t
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 09:47 PM by madeline_con
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:29 PM
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15. theoretically yes, (it does make one a corporatist), and most people who sit on boards are,
but if you are a good human being, and have good politics, and you sit on a board, it is possible to sit on a board and not be a corporatist.
Most people who sit on boards are.
Most corporatists sit on boards if they have the money/power to.

Most anti-corporatists do not sit on boards.
but it is possible for even a socialist to sit on the board of the right company.

That's why I don't think it's a yes or no question.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:18 PM
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37. There's no logic to your argument..
who judges whether a person is "good"? Who judges whether they have "good politics"?

What is the definition of a corporatist in your eyes? I never thought it had anything at all to do with business model corporations.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:20 PM
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8. Perhaps in that it has different answers depending on one's own agenda.
Yes, if I can use it against a candidate I don't like.

No, if it's applied to my candidate.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:22 PM
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11. Heh heh By George I think you've got it
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:32 PM
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51. Gore is a corporatist
... but he's way by far the best of the potential Democratic lot.

No particular contradiction there.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:03 PM
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2. not necessarily, no.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:05 PM
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3. oprah is a corporatist, is she on any boreds...ooops boards nt
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 06:06 PM by msongs
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:32 PM
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19. she owns several companies, so yes.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:06 PM
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4. Most are, but people like Al Gore & Oprah Winfrey are not. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:21 PM
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10. What makes them different?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:24 PM
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12. I think I know:
One is the only hope of beating Hillary in the primary, the other supports Hillarys opponent?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:06 PM
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50. And the message is hypocrisy
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:32 PM
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20. where the hell did that come froM?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:34 PM
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21. I see. It was a trick question, as I thought. but I didn't even guess it was to provoke another
HIllary fight.
That's just bottom-feeding.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:41 PM
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23. No, it truly was not meant to be a "trick"
The point of that poster was (to which I agree), is that if Gore's name had not been mentioned in this topic, the answer would be a huge "YES", which would be completely aimed at Hillary.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:59 PM
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27. sick of the hillary fight.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:01 PM
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30. I understand that you were sincere. When people call her a corporatist it has
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 07:02 PM by robinlynne
NOTHING to do with sitting on boards at all. It's about favoring big corporations over people.
but it is a hard question to answer, your question. Because there can theoretically be a big corporation that is benevolent (like costco, for example. the owner is a great man, who treats people well.), although most are not, and there can be a person in that position who is good, though, in general, they are not.

sorry. edited.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:49 PM
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25. It's only a "trick" if it exposes your double standard.
But that's not really a trick.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:58 PM
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26. what?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:40 PM
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47. That dude is stirring the pot and is personally attacking me now in 2 threads.
Read some of his posts if you want to see what his M.O. is. :puke:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:43 PM
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48. Here's your answer: Neither Oprah or Gore are oppressing people or polluting to make money. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:36 PM
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52. Who is Hillary polluting to make money?
And the message is hypocrisy
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 06:05 AM
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54. How sad...Attacks and lies equal knowledge?
:dunce: :scared:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 09:58 AM
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55. Yes they are big bad evil devil corporists too. Booga Booga
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:17 PM
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6. Curious results thus far. I would have thought that the consensus was "Yes"
After all, Hillary's former Wal-Mart board membership is often trotted out as proof of her corporatism.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:10 PM
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33. I think the fact that she took money from pharmaceutical and HMOs is much more important. Because
right now, in the next few years, the battle between the public and the medical industry is going to play out. The public is crying for an end to the health care and pharmas' excessive greed. which has become excessive because of this government who allows it and promotes it. A dem president will have to regulate, and basically tear those two industries a new one. They will need to give up their huge Medicare profits, where, imagine, the gov't is not even allowed to negotiate prices! Our govt pays more for medicines than anywhere in the world! So, those companies are going to be damn angry if the president does the right thing. It will be difficult for her to regulate them if they are helping her in the election.
oil, for example. We should be switching to solar energy and plugin electric cars right now. The only reason we don't is because the oil corporations have their hands in our gov't.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:29 PM
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16. What on earth is a "corporatist"?
It appears to be used on DU as a non-specific term of abuse, without any clear agreement as to what it means.

So I think the only answer is "undefined". Which is probably closer to "no" than "yes", because of the way the question is phrased.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:35 PM
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22. a "corporatist" ( according to DU) is something evil therefore it is Hillary Clinton
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 06:47 PM
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24. Wikipedia has an entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

It's rather long, and requires some thought to understand the various nuances. There are academic as well as populist definitions detailed.

My answer to the poll was "No", but following a populist definition, the answer could very well be "Yes". In that sense, it is a trick or "undefined" poll.
(BTW, I'm not an academic)
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:05 PM
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31. a corporatist is a person who believes more in the welfare and needs of large corporations
than in the welfare and needs of the people. The corporations are right now controlling our government, with disastrous consequences for our citizens, and those of the world. Their interests (corporations) are diametricallly opposed to ours.
For example the HMOS are interested in larger and larger profits, which menas less and less helathcare for us at a greater cost. A person who would work for this is a corporatist. Michael Moore, for example, advoctaes ehalth care without profit. That is the opposite of corporativism.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:21 PM
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38. Here's a good explanation of corporatism..
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:27 PM
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39. very interesting, but the opposite of what it means today. The word and concept may
have evolved from that, and in fact, there were no corporations yet, at the time this article begins "corporativism".
but unfortunately, our corporatism is not at all about cooperation with each other, as opposed to the idea of free market. What we have is the idea of free market gone awry, and the corporations are larger and larger holders of wealth and power.

(I know you know that, just saying.)
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:30 PM
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40. I think what people here who use the word "corporatist"..
actually mean is "capitalist"...:shrug:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:36 PM
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41. could be that corporativism is the concept you posted, basted on cooperation
and we're using the wrong word.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:07 PM
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32. My guess is that most of the people using it
learned it from Ralph Nader.

I never heard the term used widely before he came along. (And by used widely, I mean used widely in places like DU.)
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:12 PM
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34. oh, it's been around for around a hundred years.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:15 PM
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35. My greatgrandfather used it a lot. (the word) and strikes and unions were born.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:18 PM
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42. Lots of words have been around for hundreds of years
that aren't used widely.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:15 PM
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36. "Corporatist" really has nothing to do with business model corporations..
it is a political and social system, but the word has been hijacked by a certain anti-Clinton contingent.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:20 PM
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43. Anti-Clinton people
as well as pro-Nader and pro-Kucinich people.

Of course, there's a lot of overlap there.
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UGADUer Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:01 PM
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28. Sitting on the board and profiting from it like Mrs. Hillary makes you
someone who gladly profits from slave labor and wages.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:01 PM
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29. The answer is no. Why?
Because a person can sit on a board and be socially conscious or empathetic to people who are not so fortunate to be in such positions of power or not fortunate enough to live life free from hunger, poverty, and the fear of falling ill for lack of health care.

The ones in the board room who simply don't give a damn about helping their fellow man and simply seek to enrich themselves at society's expense--those are the true corporatists.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 01:34 PM
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56. One argument for "Yes". Why?
As I'm thinking about this poll question,
which seems to revolve largely around definitions, I'm beginning to wish I'd voted "Yes" instead of "No". Why?

To merely sit upon the board of a structure that is inherently undemocratic is to assent, respect, and grant legitimacy to that structure, regardless of any votes that may be taken, because the decision to sit on that board is voluntary. If one feels that corporations have eclipsed the political and legal controls that kept them in check in the first hundred years of the United States, and essentially usurped and displaced the people as the main concern of legislation in the present, then accepting to sit on a corporate board in the present grants legitimacy to today's corporatist.

I'm reminded of the nurse (a profession known for "empathy") who watched and did nothing to intervene as boot camp guards beat and suffocated a young boy to death.

One always wishes to be a realist, and work within a structure to change, but at precisely what point does the structure itself, and the preponderant way in which many corporations have injected themselves into politics, become the greatest problem to citizens in realizing the founders' promises of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for all of us?

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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:26 PM
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44. No. Pushing the agenda of corporate donors at the expense of the general populace does.
:boring:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:02 PM
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45. No, but accepting corporate money, and then pushing that corporation's pet projects
Certainly does make you a corporate whore. Why do you ask?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 01:35 PM
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57. No, because it heavily depends on what you DO on such board. -nt
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