"IF Water boarding is Torture, then it's illegal because torture is illegal."

in_cog_ni_to

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Thu Oct-18-07 10:56 AM
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"IF Water boarding is Torture, then it's illegal because torture is illegal."

Mukasey! He refuses to SAY, FLAT-OUT whether Water boarding is TORTURE!!!! THIS is the man the Democrats are going to confirm for AG of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

He just gave this answer to Sheldon Whitehouse who asked him if Waterboarding is torture and Whitehouse told him he was VERY disappointed in that answer.

UNFREAKIN' BELIEVABLE!

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wtmusic

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Thu Oct-18-07 10:58 AM
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1. Depends on how cold the water is

This debate gets sillier by the day

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Rhythm and Blue

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:00 AM
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2. That statement is entirely true.

Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 11:01 AM by Rhythm and Blue

It is also entirely useless. It can be applied to anything at all, and does not actually imply anything whatsoever.

"Sir, do you enjoy the taste of Big Macs?"
"If Big Macs are torture, then they're illegal because torture is illegal."

Ah well. I don't expect him to make a stand on that; current law on that is hazy at best, and depends on the entirely subjective definitions of 'extreme' or 'excessive' pain. If the Democrats wanted to ensure people weren't waterboarded, they could introduce legislation declaring waterboarding to be torture.

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backscatter712

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:42 AM
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13. Heh, about the same as...

"Is waterboarding illegal?"

"I like pie!"

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Ian David

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:00 AM
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3. If we outlaw waterboarding, then Bush will just switch to other fluids anyway. n/t

Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 11:01 AM by IanDB1

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in_cog_ni_to

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:04 AM
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7. Like Kool-Aid boarding? Apple Juice Boarding?

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Ian David

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:05 AM
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8. And if we outlaw "any fluid," they'll switch to powdered substances. n/t

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Rosa Luxemburg

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:18 AM
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11. probably Kool aid

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Ian David

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:01 AM
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4. Why don't we waterboard Mukasey, and let him decide for himself if it's torture? n/t

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spanone

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:03 AM
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5. america tortures and it will continue to torture...imho

this kind of answer should stop this nomination in it's tracks.

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Hydra

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:03 AM
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6. Sure let's torture some more

I'm sure we have a few allies that approve of those things...but the ones who don't will be putting more distance between us and them.

*shudder*

This used to be just rumors...now we admit it and say "it must be done"

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Fredda Weinberg

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:08 AM
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9. Worse than that ... the executive can't be reigned by statute

where constitutional powers are concerned. But he was befuddled when challenged by Leahy, who knows his bill of rights.

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Buzz Clik

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:17 AM
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10. Bush has said it clearly and quite accurately: "Torture is defined by US law."

And, unfortunately, not all laws originate in the legislative branch, and the relevant laws are inaccessible to most of the citizens of this country. Various legal opinions can cover Bush's ass COMPLETELY! The many, many classified documents generated by John Yoo when in the Office of Legal Counsel has got this covered, and Bush is bulletproof.

This is one of the many realities of US law and the executive branch that people like John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi understand totally and is exactly why impeachment is off the table.

We're all pissed off about this, but it's just the way it is.

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MiniMe

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Thu Oct-18-07 11:37 AM
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12. The Senate and House tried

* did one of his signing statements to say something like unless the President ignores this part.

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