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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:19 PM
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Is this a chain letter email???
My right wing neighbor sent me this & I suspect it has made it's way around the internet(s). For one, there are just too many *circumstances* in the email: from a "marine" who is "Canadian" & has all these "health" issues in his family. Please let me know if you've seen this so that I prove to this right wingnut that she's on Rush Limbbutt's email distribution list...

Subject: Just a few cracks in Canadian healthcare system (Hillary and Barak, are you listening?)









Subject: got this from my parents



Subject: Health Care in Canada



Health Care in Canada



This comes from a friend of a career Marine, who just happens to be a Canadian. His thoughts on the recent health care proposal might be of interest to some.
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Hey Guys; I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.
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First of all:
1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96. for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh? What they don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care - our #1 expense.
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2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.
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3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain - here is a drug to take - not what is causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government reimbursement



4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.
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5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.




6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.
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7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list. Died before he could get treatment.
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8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.
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9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.
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10) My mother needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite her and my father paying into the health care system all these years. My Mom is 80 years of age. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.
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11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.
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12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figure Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.
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13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums?
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14) Oh yeah we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered by the health care system.
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I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.



Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.


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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:21 PM
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1. Typical RW BS
Snopes is your friend.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:22 PM
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2. Snopes is your friend.
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:55 PM
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7. Perfect. Thanks.
Forgot about my friend Snopes. Have now bookmarked my friend.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:58 PM
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9. No problem. I'm a born skeptic, so I tend to start there!
:)
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 03:21 PM
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10. Reminds me of that song...
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:24 PM
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3. Someone posted a similar one a few weeks ago.
I think it was already in the process of being investigated by snopes at that time.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:24 PM
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4. Here's the Urban Legend writeup ...
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:56 PM
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8. Merci bien.
I sent the Snopes link right back at the wingnut. This is going to be lots of fun!
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:33 PM
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5. I can tell it's right wing bullshit from the clean needle statement.
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 12:35 PM by Maraya1969
Just the attitude that an addict does not warrant clean needles because they are "druggies" and I suppose less than human is a right winged attitude.

Plus I am an American citizen with many many Canadian relatives. When my grandmother was alive she looked me in the eye once and told me that if I ever get sick to come up to Canada and be treated because she saw the shitty care my father was given for colon cancer. And he paid for his insurance.

I know the waiting thing is wrong. Tell that to a friend of mine in this country who is waiting for her HMO to approve another mammogram since she has had more than the alloted number of them.....because she has had lumps removed and unfortunately they need to check her often to see if a lump is there since it could be cancer. But oh well, the HMO doesn't want her to abuse her mammogram privilege and so is giving her a hard time.

It's like a dental policy that approves one cleaning a year.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:43 PM
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6. But there are other discrepencies ...
the main one is that other than "Shirley", there are no other names, full or otherwise, so there is no way to validate the claims.

The less information listed about sources is inversely proportional to the bullshit of the wrietup.
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