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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:32 PM
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CBS confirms 2006 Raw Story scoop: Plame's job was to keep nukes from Iran
Mods, I have permission to copy the article in full (just not the video footage, which I don't include in the post)
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CBS confirms 2006 Raw Story scoop: Plame's job was to keep nukes from Iran
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CBS_confirms_2006_Raw_Story_scoop_1020.html
By Muriel Kane and Dave Edwards

CBS News has confirmed, in advance of a 60 Minutes interview with outed CIA agent Valerie Plame to be run this Sunday, that Plame "was involved in operations to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons."

"Our mission was to make sure that the bad guys, basically, did not get nuclear weapons," Plame told 60 Minutes. Plame also indicated that her outing in 2003 had caused grave damage to CIA operations, saying, "All the intelligence services in the world were running my name through their databases" to see where she had gone and who she had met with.

RAW STORY first revealed Plame's Iran mission and the damage done to CIA operations by her outing in a February 13, 2006 story by Raw investigative editor Larisa Alexandrovna, titled "Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say." In that article, Alexandrovna wrote:

According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program. ...

Intelligence sources would not identify the specifics of Plame's work. They did, however, tell RAW STORY that her outing resulted in "severe" damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation. ...

Three intelligence officers confirmed that other CIA non-official cover officers were compromised, but did not indicate the number of people operating under non-official cover that were affected or the way in which these individuals were impaired. None of the sources would say whether there were American or foreign casualties as a result of the leak.

A few months following Alexandrovna's groundbreaking revelations, MSNBC's David Shuster reported that he had also been told by his own sources of Plame's involvement in an Iran operation and the damage done by her outing.

CBS states further that Plame "was involved in one highly classified mission to deliver fake nuclear weapons blueprints to Tehran. It was called Operation Merlin, and it was first revealed in a book by investigative reporter James Risen."

Risen's book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, was published in October 2006, eight months after Alexandrovna's initial reporting. Risen discussed Project Merlin in the book but did not mention that Plame had been part of it.

Reached on Saturday morning, Alexandrovna said she had known of Project Merlin when she wrote her 2006 article but was not allowed to discuss the operation, as per her agreement with sources, just the country involved. "I cannot confirm or deny that Plame was connected with Project Merlin, only that I was aware of it," Alexandrovna told Raw.

The following video is from CBS's Evening News, broadcast on October 19, 2007.


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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:36 PM
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K & R'd!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:12 PM
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34. Great Googly Moogly!
just wanted to get that up top! ;-)
Damn. Shit, damn, and blast. Bush is looking at 12% approval next poll.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:33 PM
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44. Thanks
Cant wait for it to get to zero...maybe then our congress will get some balls.

bean eater from Manhattan
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
70. Don't you mean Cheney? George is there for the ride and the benefits he gets from his delusions.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:38 PM
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67. Cheney, Ledeen, Gorbhanifar...Iran-(neo)Contra
Traitors to America and treason deserving of capital punishment.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:36 PM
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1. K&R
Congrats Lala. I hope you get the credit you deserve for being the first to break this story.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:37 PM
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2. That confirms what Scott Ritter once told Randi Rhodes
In effect, Valerie Plame was a "problem" that the Bush administration wanted "dealt with" so the the PNAC agenda for Iraq could advance without incident.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:12 PM
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33. K&R, which only further supports the conclusion that...

neocons NEED to have a viable nuclear threat in order to advance the PNAC agenda, and this also goes for bipartisan PNAC enablers. They would probably like nothing more than to LIHOP a nuclear incident.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:57 PM
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71. I think in addition to damage - the real reason B & J was taken down
was to allow Cheney to continue to deal with Khan and others - i.e., the sale of weapons to Iran. Some day we might know.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #71
104. When are they locking up Novak -- ?????
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:31 AM
Response to Reply #104
129. When will 'the scooter' have his wheels removed?
Talk about a dictatorship!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #129
134. When will Dickey have it removed?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #104
142. When we get to vote for a president in a fair election. nt
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #142
150. Don't hold your breath!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #150
159. Yeah, I know. What I had written was the new way of saying "When Hell freezes over."
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:57 PM
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153. higher class,
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 01:03 PM by Emit
Why do you think they wanted to interfere with the sale of nuclear weapons to Iran?

What would be the benefit?


Edited to add, did Bush & Co. want Iran to have nuclear weapons in order to have reason to confront Iran?


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:37 PM
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3. At least the info wasn't hidden from the "unplugged" Americans forever.
I am very glad that this is getting CBS coverage, in primetime...in everyone's livingrooms. I wish with every ounce of strength in my body that they had done this when YOU reported it to us here and and at your place.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:42 PM
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6. Yes, I know...
I was all alone on this, I was getting slammed left and right (quite literally), I was up against Bob Woodward saying the opposite. And now I have Katie Couric taking my hard work away by not citing me. Please contact CBS and tell them to correct their mistake. This kind of crap has to stop. I doubt Woodward and the others will issue an apology.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:52 PM
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14. Will do! n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:16 AM
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98. Congrats, LaLa - Can you confirm that Val was transferred off the Iran account after Armitage outed
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 12:38 AM by leveymg
Khan in the June 1, 2001 Financial Times article? That story quoted Armitage as saying that a ranking "retired official" of the Pakistani nuclear establishment had been trading nuclear and missile technology with North Korea. In effect, that leak outed Khan and the CIA program that had penetrated his network. Plame was transferred within CIA Counter-Proliferation Division at about this same time.

Armitage went on to specifically identify Plame, outing her at CIA CPD.

In effect, Armitage outed CPD and then singled-out Plame. That indicates a much more serious crime than the MSM, and even the Fitzgerald prosecution, have acknowledged.

Do you agree, LaLa, with that interpretation of events?

Again, I'm most grateful for the important information about this case you've shared with all of us.

BTW: I heard from a reliable source that a certain Federal Judge in DC says that he expects to see a busy docket at District Court as more Bush Administration officials are indicted.

Reasons to be cheerful. :thumbsup:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:21 AM
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103. Follow-up question:
Risen recounts that after Merlin was foiled a female Agency employee e-mailed a list of Iranian agents, "burning" them. Was it Val who burned that network?

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #103
109. i have nothing to add to this assertion
because i can't confirm or deny the connection with Merlin, direct or indirect. i was told certain things under certain restrictions and agreements made. i have to honor those agreements. that does not mean that i was told of any connection between the two, nor does it mean that i was not told of a connection between the two. i simply am just limited in what i can say about the operation, beyond that, you have to use your best judgment. i think, however, if you read Risen, I believe he identifies the agent in question as a billing officer/mail clerk.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:32 AM
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108. That leak did not out
AQ Network... everyone and there mother knew what was going on with the network (silly us, we just ignored it). There was, however, around the same time a serious breach, which did not out Mrs. Wilson per se, but may have contributed to the outing of BJ later on, after Novak's leak, creating a confirmation for the person the intel was leaked to. This is partly what Sibel Edmonds is gagged about.

Beyond that, I think we will have to wait for some of these answers to come in slowly, very slowly. :)
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #98
119. According to Corn/Isikoff, Plame returned from maternity leave in Spring 2001 and was
given the choice of working on North Korea or Iraq. She chose Iraq.

In looking through "Hubris" to confirm my memory that such was the case, I also found a short parenthetical statement after her choice of assignment to the Iraq branch and its subsequent growth was mentioned: "She also assisted on operations related to Iran."
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:41 PM
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4. f'in K f'in R and a suggestion to read the Waterman papers again
because we all said this long ago and many of us know its the reason she was outed. Joe was just a convenient red herring.

If she was still an asset she could confirm Iran's status instead of asshole chenee running his scam again. :mad:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:41 PM
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5. K&R!
So when do we expect to see you as a guest on Hardball? :hi:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:51 PM
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13. they can all
kiss my ass after the failure of journalism these people have displayed. i am in the middle of moving, but when I am done, i will come back and continue to work for the people who have stuck by me. the MSM can officially kiss my big, fat, ass. period. :D
thanks for all of your moral support... off i go, to move boxes and boxes.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:42 PM
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7. The level of criminality within this mal-administration
runs very deep.

K & R
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
151. The expression "tip of the iceberg"
applies and not just to l'affaire Plame. If accurate history ever gets written about this regime (and that's a big if) the degree of corruption and criminality that's going to come out will be staggering.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:43 PM
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8. Nominated.
Very good.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:43 PM
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9. I don't support capital punishment but Bush and Cheney should be
hanged in public for treason.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:57 PM
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17. I second that!
K & R

:hug: Great work, lala_rawraw!!! :yourock:

And another BIG hug to H2O Man for the Waterman papers!!

DUers were, once again, right on top of this fucking administration's mafia-works.

:kick::kick::kick:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #17
110. indeed
H20 is a national treasure:)
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #9
47. Exactly, they are the exception to the rule.
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JSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. And I really wish I believed in hell
so that I could take some comfort in the thought of them burning there forever.
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kelliebrat Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:46 PM
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10. K & R
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:51 PM
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11. maybe k.o. would have you on...
what about current tv/channel... big tip of the hat to you :yourock:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:40 AM
Response to Reply #11
111. thank you for the hat tip...
means a great deal:)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:51 PM
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12. Here's the "comments" link for the CBS story:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:53 PM
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15. Dollars to Donuts CBS NEVER MENTIONS Larisa's breaking this story in 2006....
This is significant for all those doing real journalism based online.

So of course you would not expect CBS to give any credit to Larisa and her work.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:01 PM
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20. Of course they won't mention it. Lala Rawraw is from the horrible blog community!
If she is mentioned, I'll eat my hat!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #20
73. Can you provide us with the timeline of lala's work - there is time
to send it to CBS and if they do nothing - we can send it to Democracy Now. And it can be discusssed on Hartmann, Malloy, Seder, etc. For her credit. And to inform the public that some like themselves knew and published it, so why didn't they know by watching tv or reading their paper.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
80. I doubt CBS will mention David Schuster's subsequent May 2006 MSNBC report either. n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #15
100. Or Greg Palast's story, see post #99
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:56 PM
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16. K, R, and thanks for the work you do.
--IMM
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:01 PM
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18. Kicked and recommended!
Thank you for the thread, lala_rawraw.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:01 PM
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19. k&r, this post should break all records for recommends here.
thank lala for being a real journalist.

woodward can go to bloody hell, that slimey bastard.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:01 PM
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21. Hard to believe these numbnuts could think that far ahead.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 01:13 PM by AtomicKitten
on edit: K&R

excellent reporting
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. what do you mean, the plan was written in the 90's and is available for
all to see.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. I mean that they were already planning ahead on Iran, just as you say.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:04 PM
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22. Treason
and how many people died because of her "outing?"

Hey, Nancy you got room on your table yet?

2 stolen elections, lies to start a war, a governor from Alabama (Don Siegleman)
in prison thanx to Rove & the DoJ, a manufactured energy crisis in California so
Enron can get off the hook and so Gray Davis could be stopped in his looking
into the "blackouts," NSA spying, and now this?

impeach the shits already.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #22
94. IT REALLY MAKES YOU WONDER HOW IT WOULD BE IF WE HAD AN HONEST PRESS
RATHER THAN THE PROPAGANDISTS WE NOW HAVE.



THE FOURTH ESTATE IS DEAD
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #94
123. Or an honest congress
oops oxymoron
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:09 PM
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23. K&R
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 01:10 PM by cal04
Thanks lala_rawraw for posting and all the hard work you do
Will add this to talk shows for tomorrow along with this link if you don't mind
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:21 PM
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25. cheney
do they ask how cheney benefited from this? It sure put Iran in the crosshairs much sooner didn't it?
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:25 PM
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27. Posts like this are why I read DU.
K&R
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:33 PM
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43. I agree! LaLa gave us the news a long time ago.
It's the same with many stories.

Thank you, lala_rawraw!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #43
112. thank you Mel...
love the kool-aide
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:30 PM
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28. So the Bushistas *wanted* Iran to have nuclear weapons?
Or at least have the perception of getting nuclear weapons?

So Bush could "invade" and topple yet another oil-rich mideast nation?

The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to fit...

:grr:
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Plus the disbanding of the CIA's Bin-Laden group.
As you pointed out there is a big picture for anybody willing to see it.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:25 PM
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38. Yes, exactly! They WANTED Iran to be a perceived "nuclear threat"
so they'd have an excuse for another pre-emptive war. I understood that as soon as I read the subject line, and it's why I'm feeling so heartbroken right now. This level of treason is beyond comprehensible...except from the Bush mafia, of course.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #28
74. And to make money out of it - partnered with Khan? No doubt Kissinger
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 05:13 PM by higher class
is there somewhere and the old Iran-Contra contacts.

They design it all to make money each step of the way to the 'big' money. Under, over, behind, on top of, around. They have all those think tankers to figure it out for them. All partnering.

Equally essential to the money is the control. We affirming it all.

These people rarely have a single benefit - they cluster them. And they have long term and short term benefits, also,

Until now, they didn't have many risks - but with all the balls in the air with Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Kurdish Northern Iraq, China - they are not holding it together. Even the Brits are waking up. Now the balls might be falling on their head - weapon weight balls.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #74
137. Kissinger is a key figure in Bush's Iraq policy, according to Gareth Porter.
Gareth Porter, Asia Times, January 11, 2007


And another related article from James Ridgeway on Kissinger's influence on Bush, in Mother Jones, January 11, 2007



Important excerpts from these articles in this thread


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:37 PM
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29. Absolutely.
Keep them away, even give them (Iran) false information, and also track any weapons movement. Thanks for the post and a recommend from me. Congrats on your ground breaking work and revelations.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 01:54 PM
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31. Can these criminals be thrown in jail yet?
OMG, I'm so angry about this. Every American needs to know about this! :mad:

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:02 PM
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32. Does anybody remember anything about an Award that someone
thought Dick Cheney should get because HE was the one who discovered Nukes in Iran? I thought it was the Nobel Peace Prize?

Do you think this was a lame attempt on their part to steal the thunder from Valerie Plame?
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:14 PM
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35. This all just gets sicker and sicker
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:17 PM
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36. K & R - Thank you, Larisa. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:22 PM
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37. and there is more
but she is not allowed to tell
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:27 PM
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39. the real story-Cheney did NOT care about Nuclear Proliferation----
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:30 PM
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41. unless it helps them. Plame's work may have stopped planting of weapons in Iraq
and could have stopped a Pakistani nuke getting out to be used in a false flag attack here.

At the very least, blowing her cover made it harder to get accurate info on Iran.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:28 PM
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40. In other breaking news, CBS goes out on a limb and says John Wilkes Booth may have killed Lincoln
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:32 PM
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42. K&R
Thank you Larisa for the work you do. It can't have been easy to keep digging out and exposing the truth while people who should have been your colleagues in that endeavor instead chose the opposite path.
You're right up there with Ida Tarbell in my view.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:43 AM
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113. :)
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:14 PM
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154. Back at ya
:hug:
:yourock:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:36 PM
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45. KR for a good job
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:40 PM
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46. I recommend we ALL send this to our CONGRESScritters NOW!!
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:41 PM
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48. That's just a bunch of liberal hooey
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 02:42 PM by Mabus
Which has turned out, once again, to be true. I hope this wakes up the rest of the remaining backwash to what a crooked, self-serving, greedy and manipulative assholes they've been following. This (mis)adminstration has done more harm to the world during its tenure than all the other f**ked up leaders in the past combined.

Everywhere they go disaster and fiasco are sure to follow.
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 09:07 PM
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92. you'd better believe it!! n/t
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:46 PM
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50. Now can we call it treason?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:46 PM
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51. k&r

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:02 PM
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52. But....but....the Wingnuts said Plame was just a
"desk jockey."


Outstanding job, Larisa!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:14 PM
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53. Pure and simple
Bush-Cheney and the rest of the cabal must go. Now.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:31 PM
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54. HOLY SHIT.
Please exuse my French, er Freedom.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:37 PM
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55. Well, ain't that a kick in
the ol' cabeza! I'm actually shocked cbs is did this story..What will sumner think of his fascist friends now?

Congrats to Raw Story on their Amazing Scoop!~
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:41 PM
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56. Wasn't there an investigation by some country or agency or at least
an inference that Cheney was involved in WMD through the Pakistani illicit program. I figured that he was more worried about being pegged than about Joe Wilson.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:49 PM
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57. Timeline note and question: Operation Merlin was under the Clinton Administration.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 04:40 PM by Garbo 2004
Later, under Bush it appears Plame was working on Iraq. For example, according to Corn and Isikoff in "Hubris," she was part of the CIA task group that before the invasion was trying to find evidence of WMD programs and weapons in Iraq. They didn't find any. Also according to "Hubris," Plame was involved in the tracking and confiscation of the aluminum tubes in Jordan in summer 2001. (The tubes were later used by the Bush Administration as "evidence" despite the DOE, State INR and IAEA reporting as early as 2001 that they were not suitable for nuke production and likely had been intended for conventional uses.)

Of course I have no sources other than published materials. Don't know if Larisa can elaborate on the subject based on her info and sources. For example, as to whether Plame Wilson still worked on Iran related matters after 2001 and as late as 2003. That's where I was a tad confused when I first saw your Iran story...did her work on Iran continue while she was also involved in the Iraq WMD issue?

Since Plame Wilson currently is prohibited from even admitting that she worked for the CIA prior to 2002, we'll have no first hand account of her activities prior to that time. It'll be interesting to see what Laura Rozen could get into in her portion of "Fair Game."

And to Larisa: mostly it appears corporate media only "walks out on a limb" after it's safe to do so and after they've cut the limb out from under the investigative reporters who were first on the story.

Good work, Larisa. :) At least further confirmation/vindication.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:10 PM
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61. Perhaps all of that will be covered in her book, which comes out
next week. I absolutely can't wait. :bounce:

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:57 AM
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102. Hi, G04. My understanding is that Plame moved off the Iran desk at the time Armitage outed the AQ
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 01:19 AM by leveymg
Khan network in his leak to the Financial Times on June 1, 2001. Val was then transferred to the Iraq Issues Task Force. I recall Larisa saying that Plame was moved back to an Iran assignment at the time she was outed.

Perhaps, Larisa can answer your question and my related posts, above? :hi:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:45 AM
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114. these operations
are pan-national and Iraq and Iran, as well as Pakistan would have been assigned to a group of experts sharing information within the agency.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:01 PM
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152. Your comment suggests that Val was a subject matter expert, not a country expert
This reinforces the conclusion that BJ was the AQ Khan taskforce within CIA-CPD, not just a generalized WMD monitoring group (a la WINPAC). Is that a sound conclusion, LaLa?
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:54 PM
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58. Plame's job was to cover up Enron..
..and all political roads that lead to Enron.


The proof is in their trust-funds and bank-accounts
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:18 PM
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75. ??????? help us out.
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:01 AM
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144. Enron stopped cooking their books July 01, 2001..
Enron and the tax havens the IRS provided them (starting with
"Project Tanya") needed an exit plan.
You have to cook your books and hide your business plans
through tax "products" to artificially inflate the
value of your company then you have to come-clean ("make
the tough Legatus choices") eventually to successfully
debase the share value of you corrupt company's holdings
The whole thing gets covered up with a con like WMD
Ask Joe Wilson and Rove what their Enron shares were worth
when they sold them in June 2001 (Q2 2001)

Here is a question:
Why didn't Arthur Anderson, Bankers Trust, Chase Manhattan,
Deloitte & Touche, Deutsch bank, Akin Gump Strauss, Hauer
& Feld, King & Spaulding, KcKee Nelson, Ernst &
Young, Shearman & Sterling, and Vinson & Elkins (the
Gonzales Vinson & Elkins) sell Enron a tax
"product" for 2002?

Answer: Because they knew they weren't going to need one.

Question:  Why not?

Answer: Enron's Dabhol plant in Mumbai went "online"
in June 2001 so the foreign nation building project which the
tax "products" kept off the books was complete and
it was time to pay the bill by debasing the company's share
value.  And it was time to cover the whole thing up.

Hint: The smoke from the world trade center could be seen from
the shores of many corporate tax havens.

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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:06 AM
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145. Link

http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/


Scroll down and click on "Enron & Anthrax Timeline; Chapter 1-6"
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:35 PM
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156. This is a remarkable web site. This is what DUers need. The truth hurts, but
this format and with easily presented reminders of events, plus the little prompts - it is essential that we devour this and pass it on. I hope that the work and the site is protected as I think everyone owes it to each other to learn.

I remember when someone said journalists were not reporting Whitewater details because they couldn't understand it or because they couldn't translate it - when the timeline of the Resolution Trust investigations and findings ended it before nicely funded and assisted Starr opened it all up ignoring the Resolution Trust? That seemed somewhat easy to understand.

Some of what is in this link that you have directed us to goes over my head because I don't follow those acquisitions and press conferences and planted quotes regarding financing. I can now see that it is the key.

I think there is a lot more hurt coming up as I understand this.

Thanks. Please keep posting and educating, if you can.

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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:19 PM
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157. Enron Shareholders Are Set To Learn A Hard Lesson About Globalization Financing; This Site May Help
http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/?page_id=58


On September 17, 2001 Skilling sold 500,000 shares of Enron
stock at approximately $31.00 per share. 

On September 17th or 18th of 2001 the five letters.. were
mailed.

On the 17th of September 2001 the FDA wrote a [fake] letter to
Merck about the "favorable" cardiovascular safety
profile of Vioxx.

This is "Merck" as in "Arthur Anderson"
the "tax-product" specialists.

Arthur Anderson is now traded as Huron Consulting (look out
for this one).  You will hear the words "Huron
Consulting" and "Kinder Morgan" and
"SIVs" and "mortgage mess" and
"failure of regulation" by 2009.

Now, on the 19th of September Kenneth Lay pretended to request
a meeting with Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham who pretended
to deny the request.

On this day Enron pretended to invoke a clause in its Dabhol
power plant pretending India was liable for $5 billion.

Question:  Why pretend?

Answer:  If you really wanted India to pay for your Dabhol
plant you dont "hoodwink" the IRS  while you are
constructing the energy plant and then go and shred your
business documents and indict your executives for 24 years
which turns to 6 years in Federal country club prisons which
turns to free legal services for appeals which turns to
"honest services" which turns to "time
served" which turns to no years.

Dabhol was surveyed in late 1992 and construction started
immediately following the first WTC bombing in Feb 1993 (the
1993 war-on-terror budget would have financed the Dabhol,
ElPaso, Mirant, etc. plants in India).

India never expected to and was never expected to pay for its
energy and telecom upgrade.  India didnt actually pay Tyco
for India's fiber-optic network and the White House gave Gary
Winnick's Global Crossing to Singapore and then announced
"America was tenth in the world behind other developing
nations in broadband."  Go figure.

Forget the Nigerian oil-barges folks.  This is industrial
treason masquerading as the "largest single
foreign-investment.  Bought and paid for by artificially
inflating and then intentionally debasing the securities
markets.  The foreign-nation upgrades (a thousand points of
fiber-optic light) between 1995 and June 2001 cost the public
approximately 401,000 (often referred to as the 401K).

It is worth remembering "the anthrax is in the
mail".

Also on the 19th of September Waksal told ImClone investors
"We do not have any worries about the FDA".

We (as in Martha and Harlan and I) dont have any worries..
but you do.

By the way: Wouldn't the banning of cloning make it a little
hard on a company named ImClone?

Note for future reference:  When you hear the word
"ImClone" think "Enron" and when you hear
the word "Enron" think "John Mendelsohn"
and think "Chairman of the "Visitor's Board of M.D.
Anderson Cancer Center" and when you hear the words
"Chairman of the Visitor's Board of M.D. Anderson Cancer
Center" think "Bush41".  This is called a
tightly knit club of Houston's "elite".

On the 20th Bush invited Hamza Yusuf to the White House to ask
him about his "points of view" then Bush met with
Porter Goss minutes before his speech to the nation.

The same day Kenneth Lay hosted Elizabeth Dole's Senate seat
fund raiser in Houston.

On the 21st an oral report was made to Kenneth Lay on Vinson
& Elkins "findings" (this would be the
attorney firing Gonzales, Novation, Tenet, GPO, Medicare,
Safe Harbor.. Vinson & Elkins).

This is "Vinson & Elkins" as in "AG
Gonzales" as in "Project Condor" as in
"Project Valhalla" and "Project Tammy" and
"Deloitte & Touche" and "Deutsche
Bank".

Quick question: Where was the "tax-evasion product"
for Enron's fiscal 2002 business-year?

Answer:  Didn't need one.

Enron's Dabhol natural-gas (as in Trans-Caspian pipeline; it
has to get its gas somehow) energy plant in what was called
"Bombay" in 1993 was online and producing
electricity in June of 2001. 

Come-on.. an "oral report" from Vinson & Elkins?

As if Lay needed an oral report on how he had been  cooking
the balance sheets since 1993 and avoiding federal taxes since
1996?

The day after Kenneth Lay got his "oral-report" nine
people are incorrectly diagnosed (but whomever sent the thrax
knows the diagnosis).

On the 26th of September Lay urged his employees to buy Enron
stock which was a little too late for Skilling.

"We have stopped cooking our books for the first time
since 1993.. this is a good time to buy Enron stock."

On the 1st of October Blanco was hospitalized.

On the 2nd Stevens was admitted.

On the 3rd Enron Chairman Ken Lay and FERC chairman Pat Wood
sat at an energy policy conference speakers table in
Virginia.. and Cheney met with India External Affairs Minister
Jaswant Sing regarding Dabhol "talking points".

On the 4th Stevens was "publicly confirmed to have
anthrax (but the public doesnt know it yet).

On the 5th Stevens dies.

Starting the next day two more letters were mailed and Enrons
President, Greg Whalley calls Treasury Undersecretary Peter
Fisher six or eight times to ask the government to urge
bankers to extend credit to the struggling company.

Obviously the eighth call worked.

Note: The day after 9-11 the Wall Street Journal asked Enron
Corp President Whalley about what lies ahead and Whalley
responded: The freak-out factor is gone and Calm has
returned

9-11 had a calming effect on the President of Enron?

The 7th of October is day 1 Afghanistan bombings.

On the 8th Ridge was sworn.

On the 10th, Vice Presidential aide and former executive
director of Cheneys white-collar crime.. errr.. make that..
Cheneys closed-door energy task force, Andrew Lundquist
(note: the task force officially disbanded at the end of
September) and WH economic advisor Robert McNally met with
Enron representatives Gerstandt, Vicens, and Hardy.

The next day Todd Graves was sworn in (Tenet, GPO, Novation,
Lipari) and Assistant USA Tom Wales is murdered in the
basement office of his home.

Here come the "attorney firings" right on time.

There is bit of white-collar crime around here somewhere
(dont confuse gun-control with white-collar crime).

On the 15th NBC turned over its letter.

And the "dog and pony" begins.

On the 15th Donald Evans hooked up Sig Rogich with Kenneth Lay
and the Vinson & Elkins report is submitted to Lay
(again.. they are pretending India was ever expected to pay
its energy bills).  Pure Shakespeare. 

On the 15th of October Daschle's letter was opened.

The next day Enron reports a "big third quarter
loss" of $618 million and reduces shareholder equity the
following day by $1.5 billion to account for transactions
involving limited partnerships.

Of course there is a 3rd quarter loss.  That is the quarter
you stopped cooking your books.

This is Securities market debasement 101.

This is also the day that Rebecca Smith and John R. Emshwiller
claim to be the "start of Enron's problems" in their
book "24 days" published by Harper Collins.

First off.. the start of your problems do not begin when you
stop cooking your books.

The start of your problems begins when you start cooking your
books because the questions that should be answered are
"Why" and "Why then?"

If the "start" of your problems is on the 16th of
Oct then why would the SEC and CFTC documents destroyed in the
WTC matter to Enron's outside shareholders?

What is noteworthy about Q3 2001 is what happened the month
before and the month after day 1 of Q3 (July 01, 2001) but
that will come later in #7 of the series.

Coincidence or not.. at this point in time anthrax is now
covering up Enron's stock market debasement.

This loss report is the first time Enron had been honest about
a quarterly balance sheet in almost 7 years.

The question to ask is not: "Why did you cook your books?

The question is: "Why did you stop cooking your
books?"

The next question should be: "Why did you stop cooking
your books on day one of Q3?"

The possible answer offered might be: "Because Sherron
Watkins blew a whistle."

Not.

She was a phony whistleblower set up by Toffler from Harvard.

By the way.. day one of Q3 is about as far back as SOX (now
referred to as "SARBOX") is required to investigate.

On the 17th it is reported that "Enron shareholders stand
to make millions from Enron partnerships." and 31 capital
workers test positive for the presence of anthrax and the
House of Representatives adjourns.

The following day David Iglesias (New Mexico) is sworn in.

So the attorney firings was all about partisan politics?

Yes, if "partisan politics" is spelled E-N-R-O-N or
W-M-D.

Keywords again here are: GE, Tenet, Novation, Lipari,
pulse-oximetry, Reagans's 1986 safe-harbor, Medicare fraud,
kickbacks, GPOs.

At this point in time the CIA is briefing Cheney on Niger
uranium.

On the 19th the New York Post letter is found.

Here begins the theater.

On the 19th Ridge briefs the media on "potential anthrax
threats" and Enron freezes its assets in its 401K
employee retirement plan and bars employees from selling
company stock trading at $32.20 per share.

Remember September 17 when Skilling bought his at $31.00?

Enron employee stock is unfrozen on November 19th with shares
at $11.69.

Now do you finally see the effect 9-11 had on Enron stock?

This is exhibit "A" on how natural-gas power-plants
in India get paid for and don't assume this nation building
reality goes over the head of India's Prime Minister.

GE pulled this same stunt with India's first hydroelectric
plant in 1902 and the crash of 1903 paid that invoice.

The same day Ridge "briefs the media" on anthrax,
and Enron freezes its assets in its 401K employee (not
executives) retirement plan.. Wendy Gramm's husband Phil Gramm
has an article published in the WSJ entitled "Econ 101:
Poor Folks Can't Give You A Job" (Remember Wendy? She sat
on Enron's board and was an architect of Enron's Commodity
Futures Trading).

Poor folks have just discovered two things they can't do.

1. give you a job.. and
2. sell their assets in the Enron 401Ks

Class warfare ironies:

1. Enron's "rich" never actually had the money
anyway.
2. If you can't count - how do you know you are rich?

On the 21st of Oct Morris dies.

The next day Curseen dies and Ridge reports on their deaths at
a WH press conference and Harvey Pitt announces he will make
the SEC "a kinder (as in "Rich Kinder" as in
Kinder-Morgan) and gentler place" for accountants.

If you are wondering if Arthur Anderson is around here
somewhere - you are correct.

Do you think foreign nations (like India and in 2007
China/Westinghouse/Shaw Group) are learning a bit of a lesson
here?

Why pay a company for building your energy plant if the
company was cooking its books during the plant's construction?

Iran is telling Russia that Iran isn't going to pay for
Russia's just completed Nuc plants while I am typing this
sentence. As if Russia and Iran don't know how the game is
played?

And guess what.. the same day Pitt makes his
"kinder-gentler" announcement, Arthur Anderson
learns that the SEC "is inquiring into the accounting of
Enron Corp., and Enron discloses that the SEC had "opened
an inquiry into its limited partnerships" .

Sort of bad news for Enron 401K shareholders (outsiders
shining flashlights through envelopes) but in a little bit you
will see things aren't so bad for 130 Enron executives.

The following day (23 Oct.) David B. Duncan of Anderson
Accounting calls a meeting to organize the destruction of
"Enron related records".

Put on your gloves and masks - we are about to start shredding
during an anthrax scare!

But weren't Enron's records destroyed in Bldg 7?

Now let me get this straight: Everybody from the Pope to
Clinton is trying to get India to pay its Enron bills and AA
is shredding records?

DUH!

On the 24th Enron replaces Fastow and John McKay (Western
Washington) is sworn in as a USA under a presidential
nomination and senate confirmation.

I guess anthrax wasn't holding the Senate back.

Google "John McKay" and Medicare, Novation, you are
getting the idea.

On the 25th Enron tapped $3 billion from bank lines to ensure
liquidity and all eyes are glued as Governor Ridge gives an
update on the scientific analysis of the anthrax samples.

So basically Greenspan and Bush didn't "do anything for
Lay" but obviously the banks did.  But the $3 billion
doesn't help the locked-out employees much because nobody
cheers up Enron's "poor" frozen asset holders with
the good news.

This is called "not doing anything for Enron".

Ridge emphasized that the anthrax samples are from the same
Ames strain.

The next day President Bush signs the "Patriots Don't
Know Anything About Enron Act" and Mr. Lay calls Mr.
Greenspan.

The Fed doesn't disclose the details of the call but it does
say "Mr. Greenspan did nothing in response".

On the 28th Lay speaks to O'Neil who adds his name to the list
of people who do not intervene.

Here is Isaac Newton's tip on rule # 1 of how to intentionally
and successfully debase the vehicle of monetary exchange (in
this case the stock certificate).

Don't intervene.

Now on the 29th we are about to find out that the anthrax
spores are ten times worse than we thought they were and by
now you can probably imagine what other events occur during
this announcement by the Major General John S. Parker.

On the 28th of October (the day Lay spoke to O'Neill) Moody
lowers Enron's rating.

The next day the bin Laden family ends its Carlyle Group
"relationship" and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans
is "reached" by Kenneth Lay. Enron blocks employees
younger than 50 years old from selling stock in their accounts
from this day to November 12th. Enron claims that it is
because of a change of administrators, but at the same time,
29 top executives cash out of more than $1 billion (remember
the $3 billion credit line?)

A "change of administrators" during an SEC
investigation?

Two days later, Kathy Nguyen dies and Major General John S.
Parker testifies before the Senate Committee on Internal
Security and Federal Service concerning the anthrax found in
the Daschle letter and the SEC elevates the Enron inquiry to a
formal investigation which is more tough news for the
locked-out 49 year-old employees, but its only paper money
anyway.. except for yesterday's 29 top executives (that was
real money).

Those are 29 people (none over 50 years-old?) that are pretty
happy "nobody helped Enron".

November:

Peter G. Peterson joins ImClone's board, Lay puts his Aspen
houses on the market, the price of a 128-MB chip is $1.50 (A
Boston investment bank later says that Enron's
"collapse" triggered a price spike for DRAM. Enron
had begun negotiating forward contracts with buyers and
sellers as part of its planned entry into the DRAM market.
Sources said that Enron told them that Enron had
"suggested or consummated" financial swap contracts
at $4 per 128-megabyte chip.)

Also in November, El Paso trader, Todd Gieger, begins
fabricating 48 natural gas trades and sends fake volume and
price information by email to "Inside FERC's gas market
report.

This is called wire fraud and so soon after 9-11.. how
patriotic is that?

Also this month, after receiving the "formal accident
package" the assurance manager at the FAA crushes the
tape of the 9-11 controllers contained within the package.

On November 1st Enron secures another $1 billion in new credit
lines, pledging its natural gas pipeline as collateral and
President Bush signs EO 13233 which limits public access to
papers of all presidents since 1980 including George W. Bush.

What was that about another billion for Enron?

Is it me or does it seem the bank's intent is to create
"a higher number of millionaires in America.. then ever
before"?

Also on Nov 01 talking points are prepared for President
Bush's meeting with the India Prime Minister and Bush avoids
discussing Enron during the meeting.

I would imagine Executive Order 13223 includes this meeting?

The next day Spencer Abraham called Lay to "check up on
the company" and neither mentions any assistance for the
company.

$4 billion in bank loans isn't assistance?

Here is what the banks are really doing: They are acting like
they are being duped and basically debasing their own wealth
at the expense of their own shareholders.

The same day Margaret "Medicare" Chiara (Western
Michigan) and Daniel " Medicare" Bogden (Nevada) are
sworn in as USAs. Note: Medicare has intentionally allowed
itself to be defrauded ever since Johnson signed the
legislation in 1965 which is the reason the program exists.

On the 6th of November OPIC President Peter Watson contacts a
top aide of the India Prime Minister saying: "The acute
lack of progress in this matter has forced Dabhol to rise to
the highest levels of the United States Government."

Yeah sure.. Shakespeare couldn't have made it more dramatic.
Pete should get an Emmy.

The following day Governor Ridge, in a press briefing,
dismisses bentonite as a binding agent for the anthrax in the
Daschle letter saying the ingredient is silicon.

Remember what I was saying about Russia?

Well, as Ridge is dismissing bentonite, Russia began the next
Enron leapfrog phase and clinches a deal to build a $2.5
billion nuclear power in Southern India, expanding its
relationship which has seen New Delhi become one of Russia's
arms purchasers. Russian and Indian officials signed a
memorandum on construction of the plant, at Kudunkulam in
India's southern state of Tamil Nadu.

Go figure.  Russia can't afford its labor force either?

India's poor payment history has risen to the "highest
levels of the United States Government." and Russia
thinks its going to get paid by India by 2007?  Russia isn't
too familiar with current American history, huh?

The day after Russia's nuc plant agreement, Enron announces
"improper accounting and reduces its previously reported
income going back to 1997 by $566 million." This
statement led to a chain reaction that led to Enron's Dec 02
bankruptcy court filing seeking protection from its creditors.

Hey somebody call Russia's energy bureau and tell them
yesterday's Tamil Nadu plan may not be such a great deal after
all?

Actually Enron's last 2 quarters was.. proper accounting.

On the 8th, Rubin and Fischer join the "I didn't lift a
finger for Enron club".

Darnit, those employees are still locked-out of their accounts
too.

The same day Rubin and Fischer bail, President Bush gets an
email tagged "Importance High":

"President Bush cannot talk about Dabhol."

On the 13th of November 2001, President Bush signed the order
establishing military tribunals and James Daniel Watkins'
(consultant to Arthur Anderson) body disappears.

It looks like Bush's tribunals have already started.

Watkin's body is found on December 01 .

Notice the so-called "liberal media" didn't jump all
over this one?

On the 14th of Nov., Kenneth Lay acknowledges that "Enron
made billions of dollars of very bad investments".

This is 5 days before Enron shares are unfrozen so this can't
possibly help the value of those holdings very much.

Russia's Rosatom will be making this same announcement
regarding its Tamil Nadu and Iran Nuc plant projects sometime
after Oct 23, 2007.

By the way you should all pick up a copy of the New York Times
every day for two weeks starting on the above date.

http://www.legatus.org/public/index.asp

Note the "Spiritual pilgrimage".

This is when the "executive compensation" takes its
trip to Rome.

The checks clear on the 23rd.

The media debasement begins on the 24th.

Scan the NYT for comments made by a Texas stock analyst by the
name of "David Tice" regarding improper accounting
at a certain company (my guess: a telco and/or a "popular
private equity firm").

Advice: Shift holdings from the sector with the negative press
over to energy then bail from energy and move to healthcare
for a while then get out of that before the new administration
makes some kind of depressing Medicare change announcement.

Lets backtrack a second.

Remember Bush's "Importance High" email?

On September 09, the day after the email was sent, Mr. Lay
called O'Neill again, supposedly warning of parallels between
Enron's impending collapse and the Long Term Capital
Management failure.

Here we go again.

Ask yourself, why would 29 executives who just cashed out of
$1 billion want Enron's stock to go higher?

So, in yet another Shakespearean move, Kenneth Lay pretends to
suggest that "a bailout may be in order".

O'Neill asks Mr. Fischer, the undersecretary, to analyze what
an Enron collapse would mean for the markets.

Remember what I was saying about day 1 of Q3, 2001?

Lets take a look at the unlikely events of Q2, 2001.

As of April 01 2001 (Day1, Q2) Jeff Skilling had served as CEO
of Enron for about 1 month.

Arthur Anderson's CEO, Joseph Berardino is into his second
month as a member of the Legatus chapter near his home in
Greenwich, Conn., and Berardino is also into his second month
as head of Arthur Anderson Worldwide, SC (Arthur Anderson's
umbrella organization) and George Herbert Walker Bush is
elected Chairman of the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center's Board of
Visitors.

This is the Enron health-care connection and the reason I make
references to the healthcare monopolists piggy-bank known as
Medicare so often.

On Christmas Eve 2002, not a creature was stirring as the Wall
Street Journal (while we were busy wrapping presents) printed
the following article headlined:

Double Trouble

Ties to Two Firms Tainted by Scandal Haunt Top Doctor

A Director at Enron, ImClone, John Mendelsohn Sparked
Fireball at His Hospital

Dilemma for Houstons Elite

HOUSTON
When news of the insider trading scandal at ImClone Systems
Inc. broke in January, it stunned the elites of this city. One
of their own, John Mendelsohn, president of the famed M.D.
Anderson Cancer Center here, sat on the board of ImClone. 
Whats more, Dr. Mendelsohn was also on the board of another
company in the midst of a notorious meltdown.

Not this! Not on top of Enron! Charles Miller, chairman of
the state body that governs M.D. Anderson recalls thinking. 
Now John is in serious trouble.

Dr. Mendolsohn may be the only person with official ties to
two of the companies most widely associated with the financial
crimes of the new millennium.  That set off a scramble over
Dr. Mendelsohns fate among Houstons leading power-players,
including the chairman of Andersons advisory board, former
President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Christmas Eve.. in fact.. the whole week between Christmas and
New Years Day is a publishers laundry period.  As an
investor, it is well worth ones money to purchase the WSJ
during this rare media exposure of financial laundry.  Another
popular laundry day is Valentines Day.

You may notice that the investigative journalist from the
WSJ, Kurt Eichenwald does not make any mention of Dr.
Mendelsohn or M.D. Anderson in his New York Times Best Seller
Conspiracy of Fools.  Eichenwald also makes no reference to
the Commodity Futures Trading Commission nor does he mention
Frank Savages ethics policy suspensions or Toffler (the
ethics advisor,) but he does mention the potential role of
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In Q1 and Q2 of 2001.. as Lay and Skilling are making
electricity cheaper in Mumbai, India.. they are making
electricity disappear.. in California .

The first week of April, Clinton makes his phony (give Enron
its money or nobody will ever invest in your country again)
trip to India and Richard Celeste ends his post as U.S.
Ambassador to India.  Celeste also served as a director of
HealthSouth Corp.

If you think the Enron story is interesting so far.. wait
until you hear the HealthSouth story.

So, in April, 2001, Jeff Skilling calls Richard Grubman of
Highfield Capital an a__ hole because Grubman questions why
the companys balance sheet wasnt available when the
quarterly earnings were released.

Again: This is the last quarter that Arthur Anderson cooks
Enrons books.

Now here is a funny one. On the 23rd of April, Warren Buffett
said he plans to invest over $10 billion in utilities if
Congress repeals a 66 year-old law enacted to curb abuses in
the energy industry.

Now what are the odds that Warren Buffett didnt know that the
SEC had freed Enron from registering under this very same law
(the Public Utility Holding Company Act; PUHCA) shortly after
the first bombing of the WTC in 1993 which is also the same
year Wendy Gramm and Sherron Watkins joined Enron and the also
the same year Arthur Anderson took over Enrons internal audit
operation?

Common Warren.. give us a break.

Three days after Buffett pretends he doesnt get it, Kenneth
Lay and President Bush attend that infamous literacy fund
raiser hosted by former First Lady Barbara Bush.

Remember? Bush said it was the last time he spoke to Lay?

There was a reason for that.  And that reason was because they
realized that should be the last time they can be connected.

literacy?

The MBA President and former Harken Energy executive, should
have asked Kenneth: When are you going to stop cooking your
books? And did you hear global power producer AES just
announced its first quarter profit has plunged by 60% and what
is up with those rolling blackouts in California and did you
hear about the whistle-blower over at Dynegys Project Alpha?

Let me distract your attention for a second and mention that
it is April 30th 2001 and Chandra Levy makes the last
appearance at her Washington D.C. health club.

Its now May and J. Clifford Baxter quits the Enron energy
firm.. but Watson doesnt blow a whistle to Lay for three more
months?

Now here is a guy who didnt have any faith in the system.

For those political witch-hunters out there, here is a
partisan bone for you to chew on.

It is late Q2 and Indias Dabhol plant is now on-line and
India stops paying its Enron bills one more time.. just before
Karl Rove sells his Enron holdings in June.

Talk about timing.

What the heck did he know.. and what do the rest of the
newly-minted Enron millionaires have planned for America in Q3
2001?

May 2nd 2001: President George Bush pretends like he had never
heard of something called energy trading (even though the top
60 utility companies in the nation were doing it) and orders
all federal agencies in California to cut power use in an
effort to find a solution to the states energy crisis.

On May 9th, The Street.com posts one of the first articles
publicly discussing Enrons suspicious financial transactions

8 days later the terminator, Kenneth Lay and Michael Milken
meet at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles to formulate a
phony scheme to make it seem like Gray Davis is the cause of
Californias energy manipulation (as if Gray Davis doesnt
know how the game works). 

The following day, Saudi Arabia announces that it picked
eight companies to participate in three projects that are
expected to total $25 billion over several years.  Included
are Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell Group, BP,
TotalFinaElf, and Enron Corp., the only non-oil company
chosen.  Gotta get that gas to Indias power-plants somehow
otherwise how are we going to transfer those Silicon Valley
jobs to Mumbia?

Enron even fooled Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Abdullah?

Get outta here.

Two days later a California poll finds that President Bush is
faring far better then Gov. Davis amid the states power
crisis.  The same day, a Mumbia, India poll finds that Bush is
faring far better then Gov. Davis amid Maharashtra states
power surplus. 

The next day on the 22nd of May, as if the California Attorney
General Bill Lockyer doesnt know how the energy trading game
is played, Lockyer blames Reliant and Enron and Lay,
personally saying he would love to escort Lay to a 8 x 10
cell that he could share with a tattooed dude who says Hi, my
name is Spike, Honey.

Electricity?  Spike  get it?

Doesnt Lockyer know Enrons problems dont start until
December?

At this point there are a lot of people that are onto Enrons
games but Sharron Watkins (the whistle-blower) hasnt even
entered the picture yet.

It is now June.. and it is the last month Enron accountants
cook their books so if you are thinking about selling your
shares at a profit, this month would be the last opportunity.

June Highlights:  Louis Freeh steps down.

To put things into perspective.. Freeh presided over the FBI
during The Era of Greed while Bristol Meyers Squibb was
misstating years of earnings.  Louis now sits on the Board of
Bristol Meyers Squibb.

June:  Cheney raises Enron concerns over payment of Dabhol
energy in meetings in Washington with Indias Congress Party,
Sonya Gandhi which now controls Maharashtra.  Again, this is
not only pure theatre but in a little while we find out that
Gandhi is actually Italian (the Indians in the worlds largest
Democracy were totally taken by surprise by this one).  Sonya
had been giving some consideration to opening a chain of
restaurants after she ends her stint in public service
called Gandhis Traditional Pizza.

June:  Karl Rove sells his shares of Enron (this is big
money).

June:  Kenneth Lay donates 25K to Governor Rick Perry (this is
small money).

Note:  In the bigger picture, campaign contributions are
small money which is why the liberal media and politicians
and so-called watch-dog groups focus so much on campaign
contributions.  Following the small money makes it appear that
somebody is actually following ANY money.  As a rule, if there
is much fanfare regarding financial transactions it is
either a diversion or it is relatively insignificant.

Here are three examples:

John Kerry and Enron:  The small money that was followed here
was dividends.

When Monika was getting started with Bill in December of 1995,
Heinz Kerry announced that Kenneth Lay will serve as a member
of the Heinz Center philanthropy, then John Kerrys Heinz
family trust bought between $250,000 and $500,000 worth of
Enrons stock.

Do the math.

Enron is trading at $18.00 per share when they buy it and its
trading at about $21.00 per share when they are reported to
sell it.

$500,000.00 would have bought about 28,000 shares.  28,000
multiplied by $21.00 is about $588,000.00.

Net Profit: $88,000.00.

So.. both the liberal and conservative media report that
the Heinz-Kerry ownership and sale of stock brought about
$5,000 to $15,000 in dividends.

The trivial amount diverted attention from the net profit. 

Leave it to the money-counters to assume that the gain in
dividends is more significant than the gain in share value.

Martha Stewart and ImClone:  The small money that was followed
here was the short term loss.

On the 28th of December 2001, the FDA decided not to approve
Erbitux. 

The day before the FDA decision.. Martha Stewart sold her
3,928 shares of ImClone stock.

The Wall Street Journal claimed that by selling "before
the news" Martha avoided a loss of $51,222.00

Did the math.. and this math sounds like Arthur Anderson is
around here somewhere.

ImClone was trading at $75.00 per share ($294,600.00) when she
sold.  When the s__t hit the fan in June of 2002 the shares
were trading at $7.00 to $8.00 per share ($31,423.00).

$294,600.00 minus (-) $31,423.00?

It appears Martha avoided a loss of a little bit more than
$263,000.00 but then again nobody was actually counting money
back then anyway.

I wonder what kind of a loss Peter G. Peterson, John
Mendelsohn and George H.W. Bush from M.D. Anderson Cancer
Center avoided?

Insider trading is one thing.. but insider trading in
fictitious money.. in a corrupt company.. run by a corrupt
CEO.. is another.

October 23rd of 2010 is when Sam Waksal.. gets out of prison.

Example #3:  George H.W. Bush and Global Crossing:  On the
16th of November 1999, when everyone was expecting the DOW to
reach 36,000, George and Barbara decided to play it safe so
they sell their 100,000 shares of Global Crossing for a
reported $4.45 million.

These were the shares he got for free for a speech he vomited
at in Japan.

Lets say Global Crossing is reported to have donated $30,000
(small money) in 1999 to the Bush campaign.

Here is the math the "liberal press" cant seem to
compute:  What is $30,000 (small money) subtracted from $4.45
million (big money)?
Actually, even the published amount was wrong since Global
Crossing was trading at $52.00 per share at the time of the
sale.

Rush Limbaugh got the Terry Global Crossing McCullife part
right but he never made any references to Barbara or George
Global Crossing Bush?

Half of history and half of the facts have always been good
enough for the King and his Court.

The big money is in corporate holdings in corrupt companies. 
Follow the big money.. not the small money.

Back to events in June just before Enron starts counting their
money accurately in Q3:

Sami al Arian and some 130 other Muslims attend a White House
meeting with President Bush. 

In June of 2000, Sami al Arian was campaigning for George Bush
in Florida (this would be during the war we supposedly didnt
know was going on at the time).

Ill be writing on a mishap in 1999 often referred to as the
U.S.S Cole bombing to put this Muslim meeting and many other
unlikely events in 1999 into clearer perspective.

Suffice it to say, at this point in time there should have
been a U.S.S. Cole mindset among government leaders.

On the first of June the Premium Processing Program begins.

Foreign celebrities, athletes, executives, and other types of
workers will be able to pay $1,000 to get work-visa
applications processed within 15 days instead of the usual 3
months or more.

3 months?

Isnt that a business quarter?

Remember:  The function of all government is to pretend to
fail.

So wouldnt you know it.. the visa express program expedites
the entry of both Abdulaziz Alomari and Salem Alhamzi.

Let me get this straight.  The agencies responsible for
keeping Americans safe from foreign terrorists were having
such a difficult time gathering, assembling, and coordinating
information from visa holders for approval within a waiting
period of three months or more they decide to shorten the
approval period to 15 days?

One would think that after seeing the August 6  2001 document:
Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside The United States
Condoleezza Rice would have suggesting suspending the new
Premium Processing Program?

On the 18th of June, the FBI pulls agents investigating the
bombing of the U.S.S. Cole out of Yemen due to a specific and
credible threat against them.

Two days later, Yemen arrests 15 people suspected of plotting
to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Sanna.  Meanwhile, a reported
recruitment videotape from Osama bin Ladens group claims
responsibility for the Cole bombing and is viewed by the AP in
Kuwait.

The next day the INS announces that it has no plans to
actively target H-1B workers for deportation.  The INS
spokeswoman says she doesnt know of any H-1B workers who
have been deported simply because they have lost their jobs.

The most recent contact between Kenneth Lay and Dick Cheney
occurs at a conference on the 24th  of June.

To try to help Enron collect a $64 million debt from Dabhol,
on June 27th  Cheney lobbies Indias opposition leader, Sonia
Gandhi on behalf of Enron shortly after the Cheney energy task
force specifically recommended promoting energy production in
India.

The next day in an attempt to make it look like he doesnt
understand the book-cooking energy business either, the Wall
Street Journals Daniel Pearl, writes AES Expresses Interest
In Enrons India Project ... AES offers to buyout troubled
electricity venture.  Dabhol hasnt produced power for more
than a month.

Those bumbling fools at AES.  Dabhol isnt paying Enron.. why
would they pay AES?

As if India was ever expected to pay Enron?

The same day of Pearls piece, Bush names Elliot Abrams to the
top national security post and the Supreme Court rules 5-4
that immigrants who commit crimes cant be held in prison
indefinitely, if the U.S. cant deport them.

Huh?  Its that damn ACLU I tell ya!

It seems like the "A" in ACLU might stand for..
"Arab"?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Remember the words: "racial profiling".

.. 

Enrons second business quarter is over.

July 01, 2001: This is the first day of the first quarter that
Enron counts its money honestly.. since 1993.

Eventually every financial scam comes to a point where it
needs to invoke its exit plan.

What is Enrons exit plan?

July 01, 2001:  California Senator Diane Feinstein who is on
the Intelligence Committee warns CNN Intelligence staff tell
me that there is a major probability of a terrorist incident
within the next three months.

Next three months?

Isnt that a business quarter?

   
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #157
166. Fascinating research
Very impressive!

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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #166
167. tks n/t
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #156
158. thanks for the compliment ;-) n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #158
162. Does everyone know about this except me? Do people recommend
you from other forums and blogs?
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #162
163. No one knows about this except you.. so far.. except?
Little background:

I was a technical consultant for the Lower Bucks County
Chamber of Commerce (LBCCC) in Pennsylvania and I was
archiving Wall Street Journals (along with all of the free
new-economoy periodicals at the time) to assist in my work for
them.

I didn't know squat about history, economics, politics, global
or domestic but the words "Enron"
"HealthSouth" "WorldCom" started to spring
up in the media and I still didn't think much of it until I
went back into years of WSJs and found the words printed on
the same pages.  I wound up with a 1,000 page word document
timeline and discovered trends and patterns that became easier
to identify as I proceeded.  And they became disturbing to say
the least.

Take a look at 

http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/?page_id=35

and 

http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/?page_id=36

At the time I put a tongue in cheek spin on them to avoid
troubles.  But if you read between lines there a lot of dots
that the powers that be would prefer to remain disconnected.


To be totally honest Jason Leopold from truthout has seen most
of it, but I eventually found that "truthout" should
be called "truthin" if you know what I mean.


here is an example of what I am talking about

David
This sounds like a fantastic story. Have you finished it? If
so send it over
to me and I will take a look at it and perhaps we can feature
it on
Truthout. Thanks you for thinking of me and writing me!

Best
Jason


Jason Leopold
Senior Editor/Reporter
Truthout.org
10100 Santa Monica Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90067
(213) 270-4334
IM: JasLeopold

Jason Leopold is the author of the bestselling memoir NEWS
JUNKIE. Visit
www.newsjunkiebook.com for a preview.




On 12/18/06 11:36 AM, "Apache"
<apache@webserver.truthout.org> wrote:

> From: David 
> Email: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Second attempt:
> 
> Dear Jason Leopold:
> 
> I have completed a very, very large piece of material on
the history of
> foreign nation upgrading, industrial monopolies,
technology transfers,
> disruptive technologies and industrial revolutions.
> 
> The material is original.  In its electronic form it can
easily be broken down
> into several books.  It is 3,000 pages in length and is
entitled:
> 
> Title:
> "Either You Are With Us, Or You Are Onto Us"
> Subtitle:
> "History's Top-Ten Enrons"
> 
> It includes a brief overview of the other 70 Enrons
dating back 6,000 years.
> It identifies the next Enron which will involve
Westinghouse Electric along
> with their accountants and the usual list of corporate
utility abusers that
> are quietly let off of the Sarbanes-Oxley hook in order
to upgrade the next
> round of foreign nations to outsource homeland jobs to. 
The phony
> whistle-blowing (usually Harvard?Ts job) and the
coordinated stock debasement
> will occur once their soon-to-be constructed nuclear
plants go online in China
> and the traditional ?opilgrimage to Rome? is completed
around 2013.
> Just like the 70 Enrons before it the headlines will read
?oGreatest Era Of
> Fraud Ever?.
> One or two ?ogreedy guys? will be finger-pointed but
the end result will be
> the same.  Another country or two gets a free utility
upgrade, technology is
> transferred and it is all subsidized by 401Ks, pension
plans, 529s, HSAs,
> ordinary company employees with frozen accounts and
unwitting outside
> investors and.. just like clockwork the evil terrorists
du-jour will destroy
> the SEC enforcement paper trail saving the book
cooker?Ts behinds to plan out
> the next Enron.
> It is pretty simple actually.  deTocqueville was right
about his simple lies
> and complex truths observation.
> 
> Are you interested in helping me get this work published?
> 
> Best regards,
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #163
164. A couple of things - I haven't linked yet.... bbbut .....
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 06:36 PM by higher class
I hope this is all protected, including you. You need to get this entrusted somewhere - spread out a little so that only one entity has it besides you. Think like in the movies, for now. Be a little secretive, I think.

This is a big investment of your time. Don't lose it. You don't seem to be asking or demanding that people believe you - it's just the facts, ma'am. Much more credible.

And if I learned, there are some that will think of this as a form of threat.

People learn differently. I find timelines better for me than big chunks of paragraphs (for some things). They are a little like flow charts which are also better than paragraphs (for some things).

I continually lament the fact that I haven't tried to trace certain happenings and rarely have the time to go back and find chunks of hours to do it.

I recommend that you contact Paul Thompson for suggestions on how to protect your work and the ideas he might have for publishing. Since you're posting count is small, I'll add that that he is a DUer or former DUer who created a timeline of 9-11. It was published quite quickly considering that it kept changing and being filled in while he worked. He is getting much deserved attention and kudos for the result. Believe he is associated with a university?

Don't tell too much about yourself on this Forum.

And I think you need to be careful about quoting letters on DU if you don't have the other person's permission? Not sure, though. You're opening up in what you have assembled, but you should remain a little closed about yourself until this is protected (if you haven't already taken action).

But, I really am not an authority on anything.
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #164
165. Gotcha.. haven't even started with the serious stuff yet. n/t
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reinhardt Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #162
169. a few more people are catching on n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #58
97. Nice sourcing. n/t
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #58
105. Wrong site.
:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:57 PM
Response to Original message
59. k&r
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
60. Larisa, please consider writing a
recap of the whole story at HuffPo that puts the CBS story in context, along with your earlier reporting.

People need to know that this is the fruit of your hard work, unappreciated and even ridiculed as it was.

Oh, and: :yourock:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #60
87. I second that great idea.
And I also agree that

:yourock:
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #60
115. honestly
a recap would be a book... which i was in negotiations for until the smear-o-rama. it is far too complex to summarize in an article or opinion piece and there is a whole back story to my investigating this story that should someday be finally told.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #115
120. Damn! You had a book deal killed because of this? Holy crap!
That's a book I would like to read.

Damn.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:15 PM
Response to Original message
62. K&R#80
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:18 PM
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63. K&R
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:33 PM
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64. I keep hoping and pleading for an hour special on 1 subject from Olbermann's Countdown
THIS kind of shocking treasons warrants such focus and advertising by MSNBC to arrange important guests to discuss the actions that Congress may have to take considering this latest revelation.

Thanks for this great news thread! Perhaps we can still get the bastards out sooner than Jan 09...

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:33 PM
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65. I Still Maintain People DIED (Possibly Agents/Assets) Because Of Plame's Outing
They outed her and assets (people) were uncovered and assassinated as a result.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:48 PM
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69. Hard to imagine that it could be otherwise
under the circumstances.

Jesus, Novak should be drawn & quartered, not just for the outing but for the disinformation campaign he has run to cover the significance of the crime ever since.
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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:35 PM
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66. k&r
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 04:41 PM
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68. Unbelievable. n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:03 PM
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72. Thank you, lala, for your dedication to the truth.
CBS confirms 2006 Raw Story scoop: Plame's job was to keep nukes from Iran, October 20, 2007



Punishing Joe Wilson was a convenient public smokescreen to cover Bush/Cheney's real intent, which was to neutralize Valerie's work on Iran.. why? Because Cheney wanted to get his greedy, murderous hooks into Iran's business. Because a perpetual war would make him and his cronies obscenely rich and omnipotently powerful. Forever.


Just as the multiple US Attorney purge was a cover for Bush/Cheney to get rid of Carol Lam and a few other *noncompliant* USA's who were prosecuting the corrupt Bush/Cheney gang...


The BIG PICTURE is there for anyone who will open his/her eyes, purge themselves of the Bush worship and come back to reality.


America has been betrayed.



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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:20 PM
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76. K&R
:toast:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 05:32 PM
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77. You might get more traction if you made it less about..
yourself and more about the story.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:29 PM
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78. One part of the story IS about Ms. Alexandrovna being silenced by "journalists"
colluding with the government, thus betraying the public trust. If Bob Woodward, Couric and others have knowingly taken part in this treachery, they need to be outed a.s.a.p.


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:47 PM
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90. Welcome to DU, Kaleko.
:hi:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:24 PM
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84. UNFORTUNATELY...
That is a big part of the story. The "mainstream" media should have covered this two years ago - it could have had major impact - and, also, they refuse to acknowledge the work of blog/internet-based reporters. It is all connected.

Larisa has had MULTIPLE significant scoops that have been later picked up by MSM without any credit to her.

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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 09:58 PM
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93. The MSM
could not cover this two years ago, because that was before an election that the thugs still thought they could win.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:25 PM
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85. I don't have that impression at all
Is there something about the truth being revealed in the Plame incident and dismantling of the CIA's ability to track nukes in Iran that you oppose?

Are you in favor of letting the Bush administration pursue this kind of agenda?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 08:11 PM
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89. The story is that there was no such story in the corporate media until now.
Other than a brief mention in Schuster's report on Hardball that confirmed RS' reporting, as far as I'm aware there was no major media outlet reporting that Plame had worked on counterproliferation efforts against Iran.

To the extent the media addressed the issue of damage that may have resulted from Plame's outing, "authoritative" journalists such as Bob Woodward & Andrea Mitchell dismissed the notion that any there was any real damage. Woodward, who sat on a "scoop" for over two years because he was afraid he'd be subpoenaed by that bad man Fitz; Mitchell who had said "everyone knew" that Plame worked for the CIA until she was finally publically called on it and then denied she had said any such thing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:06 AM
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106. Which should tell us something we should remember about Woodward & Andrea Mitchell -- !!!
"Authoratative" or spinners and liars?

These are both people who follow power and the $$$


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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:51 AM
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116. the story has always been the story...
it was not me who made it about myself... it was others who made it about me and now that i have the floor for a minute, your damn right i am going to discuss myself in this context as I have every right to after the smear job. the story was reported nearly 2 years ago. it has always been the story for me, not about me. so pardon me if i take a few moments to bitch and demand credit for something I earned. credit=reputation, reputation is the currency of my job, which was nearly demolished by these smears... so yes, i want credit for my work and i want credit for my reputation. beside all of that, it is the right thing to do, although I doubt it will be done. you okay now? thanks for the input
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 06:40 PM
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79. Take that any lurking bushbots!
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:16 PM
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81. kick/rec nt
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:16 PM
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82. "I, name, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of
"I, name, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Can we Impeach the bastards yet? The outing of Plame seems to me to be nothing less than treasonous act by the executive branch of our government.

Got Fascism Yet?


Fascism Accomplished!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:23 PM
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83. But Dems in Congress won't do anything about it
They've managed to let the DLC and AIPAC convince them that Americans will vote against them if they pursue investigation of these crimes or if they try to stop Bush from invading Iran.

They dropped the investigation of the Plame incident because they've been bought out by GOP & corporate/defense industry donors who don't want them to pursue it.

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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:28 PM
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86. Oh dear. n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 07:55 PM
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88. K&R. (nt)
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 09:06 PM
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91. Treason, treason, treason
Thank you for giving us this story in 2006. Hopefully the sheeple will pay attention to 60 Minutes (or will the story be "Rathered").

If this isn't treason by Cheney, Rove, and the even the Chimp (ignorance isn't an excuse for breaking the law), I don't know what is.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 10:56 PM
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95. This is very good news.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 11:35 PM
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96. K+R
:patriot:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:21 AM
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99. Khan Job: Bush Spiked Probe of Pakistans Dr Strangelove
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Palast0212.htm

Plus the pre-9/11 NSA 'policy shift'

"The "Back-Off" Directive and the Islamic Bomb

A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die. "

...this would lead us to believe that Bush/Cheney has a stake in nuclear proliferation, not in supressing nuclear proliferation. Why ?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:54 AM
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117. yep, this was censored ...
and won the award that year for project censored. fantastic work by Palast
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:17 AM
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148. I bring this up because it verifies YOUR story, lala.
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 11:20 AM by EVDebs
WHY does Bushco WANT nuclear proliferation ?

Plus, it highlights the sources Palast and yourself have in the IC who are willing to risk all (Kelly for example) in order to prevent WWIII.

"Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program."

...


















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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 12:48 AM
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101. k+r Thanks. Can we call you "Scoop" now? ;-)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 04:02 PM
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160. been called worse;)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:18 AM
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107. Whooot!!! Way to go! K and R
Thank you for all your hard work, and not giving up!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:12 AM
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146. Bravo! Thanks LaLa!
I second the motion!

We ARE the media now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 03:01 AM
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118. Looking for the T word in the dictionary
treason |?tr?z?n| noun (also high treason) the crime of betraying one's country, esp. by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government : they were convicted of treason. the action of betraying someone or something : doubt is the ultimate treason against faith. ( petty treason) historical the crime of murdering someone to whom the murderer owed allegiance, such as a master or husband.

Does it fit?

You be the judge...

Now proving it under US Law is a whole different matter

Good job Lara
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:18 AM
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121. So, now that the cat's out of the bag, doesn't that mean that 'our' elected
reps have an obligation to investigate the administration and everyone involved with the Plame outing? Because the way I see it, if they don't they're involved (at the very least) in covering up treason. At the most, they're guilty of aiding and abetting treason.

No?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:39 AM
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122. How Ironic....Bush com'p his Iran thingy by exposing Plame...
Ain't Life Grand???

Bush can't do anything right.....
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 05:52 AM
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124. Is it IMPEACHMENT time yet!?
I was just wonder what constitutes Impeachable offenses... Bill Clinton sort of found out. He said he didn't poke a chick and he nearly bought the political farm. I guess he should of declared war or something.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:14 AM
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125. So they outed her to so they could start one war
Which in turn helps them build toward another war.

Bu$h truly will live through history as the "War President"
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 06:56 AM
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126. One word: IMPEACHMENT
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:00 AM
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127. Another thing we knew along THANKS ROBERTPAULSEN AMERICAN JUDAS
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:01 PM
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168. Thanks, SLaD! Larisa is cited there many, many times.
Sure takes MSM a long time to wake up, eh? ;)
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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:17 AM
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128. Great reporting.
What's next?
Haven't we had a littany of these exposees?
Isn't it time for the rail; some tar and feathers?
I'm not talking about BushCo. There's nothing left to say there.
What type of hypocracy are we letting stand in congress?
Isn't it time to march on Washington?

Cachukis
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:33 AM
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130. Oh my, look what someone posted in the comments
After all this time, with so much of the truth being exposed--but you do have to look for the truth--there are still "believers" who are demanding documentation of Plame''s covert status. Jesus, no wonder people from outside our boarders laugh at us.

Plame''s status as covert was documented by the CIA themselves when they referred the breach of security to the DOJ for investigation. Pat Fitzgerald reiterated the fact that Plame was covert.

But sadly this is now the norm for American politics. When people on the "right" don''t like a fact they throw lots of *** up to muddy the waters so the average citizen is confused as to the facts. The rw doesn''t care that people don''t necessarily believe them, all they care about is that people are confused enough to not believe the truth.

As for the knuckle-dragger who talks big about his "ranger friends", was I American enough when I wore the uniform? How about my husband, was he American enough for you? Oh, that''s right, according to rush, the pill-popping king of hate, we were phony troops too.

Clinton had a lot of faults, but AWOL wasn''t one of them. Clinton, like thousands of other Americans, avoided the draft. The coke-snorting pretender that is illegally squatting in the White House, now *he* was AWOL. I, for one, would much prefer to serve under a CIC that dodged an illegal war as opposed to a fortunate son who went AWOL because of an arrest for coke.



:rofl:




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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 07:45 AM
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131. The tide is turning
or the elms are blooming or something?

The traitorous mess that is the current US federal government is not an easy fix. Powerful people have been using and growing that power for a lot of years.

History will show that tenacious hard working bloggers practicing their craft were the source of most investigational break throughs. In the meantime, we'll just have to be satisfied with MSM plagiarizing the work of the bloggers as this stuff slowly bubbles up to the surface.

The Legislative Branch has no idea what the Constitution is, the MSM is in the back pocket of the MIC, and the love of country and respect for our wonderful Constitution is pretty low or non-existent on the priority lists of those elected to represent US!

Seems like it's time for someone to introduce Keith Olbermann to Larissa!

-85% Jimmy

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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:29 AM
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149. Let's see.... Drudge gets one thing right
about a private matter to become the brightest internets star in all Wingerdom, a true source for up-to-date accuracy. The MSM falls over themselves every time he has a brain fart and follows it down the rat hole until it fizzles, but never retracts or follows up with the clarification to show the outrageousness of the initial lie he repeated.

Meanwhile, dozens, if not hundreds, of hardworking folks from the "reality based" world are using every method they have been left with (blogs, YouTube, foreign media outlets, etc.) to analyze, document, and spread the truth only to be ignored or openly attacked. Our country has been spiraling toward a dictatorship for 7+ years and all the unwashed/unconnected masses get is more Lindsey/Brittany/OJ/Anna Nicole to accelerate the mental rot necessary to allow their complete subjugation to the nefarious intent of the BFEE and partners.

Is it Armageddon yet? :nuke:

Or just 1929 redux?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:20 AM
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132. Can't think without the proper credentials, 'eh?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:41 AM
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133. So three or four birds with one stone.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:45 AM
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135. Sooooo....
....Shitstain Shoots-Guy-In-Face (he really hates that because he's such an 'outdoorsman') was trying to get the trifecta of the oil in the Middle East through force of arms (Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan) and was willing to sacrifice a multi-billion dollar intelligence system and the lives of our intelligence officers to build his case for WMDs in Iran.

The figurative noose continues to tighten on this asswipe of a criminal.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 08:46 AM
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136. Treason was outted.
About time the rest of the world caught up to you, Larisa.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:14 AM
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138. Will be very interesting how The Kouric handles this story.
Will it be her usual method of giving the false side of the story enough cover that critics say 'see, it doesn't prove anything.'

Unfortunately, this skittishness and lapdog, instead of watchdog, quality has been entrenched in the mass media for some time. A combination of news outfits cutting funds to do independent research, mega-consolidation, and a public that seems to prefer happy talk over the reality of their own kids dying have made it into the present state. Among other factors.

BTW, anyone remember the sad story of Gary Webb? When he put that story out there, other big papers attacked him and his smaller paper mercilessly, papers that to this day have never apologized. Not to him now, they can't, he 'suicided', but they still can to their readership, and to the other Gary Webbs out there, sitting on a story that they have to think about because it's too hot to handle.

"Unintentionally, Webb also exposed the cowardice and unprofessional behavior that had become the new trademarks of the major U.S. news media by the mid-1990s. The big news outlets were always hot on the trail of some titillating scandalthe O.J. Simpson case or the Monica Lewinsky affairbut the major media could no longer grapple with serious crimes of state.

Even after the CIAs inspector general issued his findings in 1998, the major newspapers could not muster the talent or the courage to explain those extraordinary government admissions to the American people." -America's Debt to Gary Webb

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2818

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:39 AM
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143. I think it'll just be Plame sitting there, waiting for Couric to stop kissing a picture
of GWB. Of course, Couric won't stop. She'll even puncture the pic with her tongue, so that she can French kiss the dictator-in-chief. It will be fascinating television, but we won't learn anything from it. Everyone knows Couric has a hard-on for Bush (and I'm not speaking metaphorically).
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 09:46 AM
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139. Bush and the GOP are politics first, no matter the cost.
It's as simple as that.
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:17 AM
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140. K&R
And thank you for all your great work. Stay safe.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 10:30 AM
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141. not news here
but I wish this was discussed more in the MSM. I won't hold my breath, however.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 11:13 AM
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147. That explains why Cheney and Libby and the other neocons wanted Plame out
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 01:24 PM
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155. I never had a doubt about your original article LaLa
I hope you're feeling somewhat vindicated today.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 04:03 PM
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161. k&r - somehow I missed this yesterday - would've missed it if not for kpete's thread today
Edited on Sun Oct-21-07 04:05 PM by bananas
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