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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:44 PM
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Marijuana Arrests Set New Record for 4th Year in a Row, Exceed All Violent Crimes Combined
Marijuana Arrests Set New Record for 4th Year in a Row, Exceed All Violent Crimes Combined


WASHINGTON, D.C. — For the fourth year in a row, U.S. marijuana arrests set an all-time record in 2006, according to the just-released FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Marijuana arrests totaled 829,627, an increase from 786,545 in 2005. Similar to previous years, 738,916 or 89 percent were for possession, not sale or manufacture, and marijuana possession arrests again exceeded arrests for all violent crimes combined.

"The steady escalation of marijuana arrests is happening in direct defiance of public opinion," said Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C. "Voters in communities all over the country, from Denver to Seattle to Eureka Springs, Arkansas, and Missoula County, Montana, have passed measures saying they don't want marijuana arrests to be a priority, yet marijuana arrests have set an all-time record for four years running. It appears that police are taking their cue from White House Drug Czar John Walters, who is obsessed with marijuana, rather than the public who pays their salaries.

"The bottom line is that we are wasting billions of dollars each year on a failed policy," Kampia continued. "Despite record arrests, marijuana use remains higher than it was 15 years ago, when arrests were less than half the present level, and marijuana is the number one cash crop in the U.S. Marijuana is scientifically proven to be far safer than alcohol, and it's time to start regulating marijuana the same way we regulate wine, beer and liquor."

With more than 23,000 members and 100,000 e-mail subscribers nationwide, the Marijuana Policy Project is the largest marijuana policy reform organization in the United States. MPP believes that the best way to minimize the harm associated with marijuana is to regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol. For more information, please visit www.MarijuanaPolicy.org.

Date: 9/24/2007

http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1493403/apps/nl/content2.asp?content_id={8B9F6251-78C8-410D-B772-1BF73E116C42}¬oc=1
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:46 PM
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1. Your taxpayer dollar hard at work.
I think Velveeta and Frito-Lay should get together and lobby for legalization. Then maybe Washington would listen. slogan: "Pot smoking is nacho problem"
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:49 PM
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3. Bwahaha!
:spray:
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:09 PM
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49. EXACTLY!
I always thought that if the junk food lobby got in on this, marijuana would be legalized in no time! :)
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:30 PM
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51. my friend Judi and i went to grocery store very stoned one night, about 10pm
... the cashier just gave us a wink as we bought donuts, pop, chips, ice cream and a candy bar!

No, we didn't eat all of it, but we did sample some of everything!

:rofl: :smoke: :party:

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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:32 PM
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53. Oh yes...
The local store knows exactly when my husband and I are in there for "supplies".
Chili Cheese Fritos - I can barely look at them the rest of the time, but then... :smoke:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:49 PM
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2. In the mean time
Kidnapping and other class 1 crimes are proceeding as usual as the gov't goes for the easy targets that work well in the prison industrial complex.

:puke:
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:01 PM
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7. If you owned a private prison for Profit..
of course you'd want it filled with as many non-violent offenders. Thats were the money is..
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:17 PM
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12. Of course
The beauty of it is that more violent ones are out here...I suppose that means I should be as violent as possible- bad for business, you know :evilgrin:
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:47 AM
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30. And, if you got PRISON stock
Prison stocks, prisoner ranks seen rising-Barron's

Oct 7 (Reuters) - Prison stocks are expected to rise despite a recent U.S. Census report pointing to a lower than expected rise in prison population, Barron's reported in its Oct. 8 edition.

The Census report, which said U.S. prisons' population is growing at 4 percent annually, countered a February study by Pew Charitable Trusts that forecast prison population to rise 13 percent annually.

Barron's said Pew's report is likely a more accurate assessment of the prison population growth as the U.S. government's report polled 37 states, compared to Pew's data from 42 states and estimates from the other eight states.

Corrections Corp of America (CXW.N: Quote, Profile, Research), which trades at around $25, is likely see profits rise 20 percent annually and its share price could reach $30.

GEO Group Inc (GEO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) could see shares soar to $35 from its current high-$20 levels.

Cornell Co (CRN.N: Quote, Profile, Research) shares could jump by 40 percent. It closed on Friday at $26.03 on the New York Stock Exchange.

"If you have reservations about owning a stake in a harsh institution like a prison, consider this: Some of our nation's most creative CEOs now reside in prisons," Barron's said. (Reporting by Kenneth Li)


Owning prison stock is good for education endowments?

Yale investment vehicle sells private prison stock

Farallon Capital Management, a hedge fund that invests a portion of Yale's endowment, has sold all of its stock in a private prison company that has been criticized for alleged human rights abuses, though such criticisms have not been cited as a factor in the sale.

The fund's May 12 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission included no investment in the Corrections Corporation of America, the target of a yearlong campaign for divestment by Yale's Graduate Employees and Students Organization. But while GESO leaders said they believe their campaign to have affected the move, members of the University's investment ethics committee said they did not advise divestment before the hedge fund sold its shares.

At several rallies during the past year, GESO members criticized CCA for alleged cases of prisoner abuse and for lobbying for harsher sentences. GESO spokesman Evan Cobb GRD '07 said he believes Farallon's sale of CCA stock demonstrated the impact of the organization's opposition to "insidious" private prisons.


Yale's Graduate Employees and Students Organization have been silent about Farallon Capital Management hedge fund managers on Yale's board of trustees.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:35 AM
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37. I've seen reports of prison guard unions...
lobbying for tougher laws for non violent drug offenders. They care more about their job security than other people's freedom. The system is a God Damn mess and it needs overhauled. Too many people like the private prisons, the prison guard union and the police profit from this failed policy. The only way to stop it is to cut the money.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:01 PM
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22. recruiting slave labour, my first thoughts as well. nt
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:49 PM
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4. And rightfully so: Marijuana caused more deaths last year than all other causes combined!
In a few minutes I might smoke a bowl and go on a murderous rampage.

Only another insipid Partnership For a Drug-Free America commercial has a chance to stop me.

And what will happen when all pot smokers upgrade to Pot 2.0? We'll lose America!

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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:21 PM
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20. that is so weird
'cuz last night I smoked a bowl and went on a murderous rampage. I was in process of wiping out a whole neighborhood. Then, they started fighting back and I had some problems staving them off. I wasn't sure what to do so I turned the controls over to my nephew and he made it to the next level. I love video games.


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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:52 PM
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5. Too difficult to go after the real criminals (bush, cheney, rove), stoners
are much easier to bust.

What a waste of time, manpower, and money.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:53 PM
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6. You Too Can Create a Police State!
Marginalize a class of people, then remove their rights.

After that it's easy.


But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933,between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the universe was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was "expected to" participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one's energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. "One had no time to think. There was so much going on." "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your "little men", your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about - we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice - "Resist the beginnings" and "consider the end." But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have changed here before they went as far as they did; they didn't, but they might have. And everyone counts on that might.

"Your "little men," your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing: and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something - but then it was too late."

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to – to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in "43" had come immediately after the "German Firm" stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in "33". But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying "Jew swine," collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

"You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.

"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven't done ( for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

"What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or "adjust" your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. Many Germans became this poor kind of hero, many more, I think, than the world knows or cares to know." 

I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say.

"I can tell you," my colleague went on, "of a man in Leipzig, a judge. He was not a Nazi, except nominally, but he certainly wasn't an anti-Nazi. He was just – a judge. In "42" or "43", early "43", I think it was, a Jew was tried before him in a case involving, but only incidentally, relations with an "Aryan" woman. This was "race injury", something the Party was especially anxious to punish. In the case a bar, however, the judge had the power to convict the man of a "nonracial" offense and send him to an ordinary prison for a very long term, thus saving him from Party "processing" which would have meant concentration camp or, more probably, deportation and death. But the man was innocent of the "nonracial" charge, in the judge's opinion, and so, as an honorable judge, he acquitted him. Of course, the Party seized the Jew as soon as he left the courtroom."

"And the judge?"

"Yes, the judge. He could not get the case off his conscience – a case, mind you, in which he had acquitted an innocent man. He thought that he should have convicted him and saved him from the Party, but how could he have convicted an innocent man? The thing preyed on him more and more, and he had to talk about it, first to his family, then to his friends, and then to acquaintances. (That's how I heard about it.) After the "44" Putsch they arrested him. After that, I don't know."

I said nothing.

"Once the war began," my colleague continued, "resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was "defeatism." You assumed that there were lists of those who would be "dealt with" later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a "victory orgy" to "take care of" those who thought that their "treasonable attitude" had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty.

"Once the war began, the government could do anything "necessary" to win it; so it was with the "final solution" of the Jewish problem, which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its "necessities" gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it. The people abroad who thought that war against Hitler would help the Jews were wrong. And the people in Germany who, once the war had begun, still thought of complaining, protesting, resisting, were betting on Germany's losing the war. It was a long bet. Not many made it."

From Milton Mayer's "They Thought They Were Free"
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:12 AM
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35. This part in particular spoke to me:
The world you live in – your nation, your people – is not the world you were in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.


More and more, I feel like an alien visiting a strange place full of strange people.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:21 AM
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39. The book really frightened me
I had wondered for years why ordinary Germans could allow Hitler to gain power and do what he did. After reading the book not only did I understand how it could happen, I could see how easily it could be accomplished here.

Again and again I go back to the chapter I quoted and see eerie similarities here in the U.S. And there seems to be no way of stopping the bastards....

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:43 PM
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40. I never felt that way about the Germans
I knew that they were afraid, and that the people who did speak out were destroyed.

"Let it happen...?"

If that logic is correct, we have "let it happen" here. I never let it happen- I was ignored and ridiculed...and now, as it comes to pass, I see the same people looking around in disbelief, as if I did not warn them of exactly this.

Am I a "good german" because I have not irritated the establishment enough for them to kill me so far? I don't see it that way.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:03 PM
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8. what a waste of time money and lives
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 05:03 PM by spanone
people are just fucking stupid

i'm so tired of the life police
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:06 PM
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9. Having never used the stuff myself, I'm at liberty to proffer our national policy is madness,
stark raving madness, lunacy, sheer lunacy, and idiocy, complete idiocy, among many others.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:38 PM
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15. How long can our illustrious "authorities" run with such propaganda?
Check out the dress/hairstyles? ... a little reminder that "The War on Drugs" is phony. :(

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:08 PM
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10. If we have a veto proof majority and the WH we might finally be able..
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 05:11 PM by tridim
to stop this madness.

Maybe. Hopfully.

What else can the people do?

Edit: And the worst part, I was probably just added to the NSA pothead list by visiting the MPP site.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:27 PM
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14. Even with a veto proof majority you have people like feinstein voting with the GOp on a regular
basis. I think we need to be fighting with congress to vote progressively NOW. let Bush veto a thousand times. if they fight back in congress, the poeple will support them and change votes. The poeple already support an end to the war, an end to the spying,s-chip, etc.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:35 PM
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42. We who?
Show me 10 "democrats" who support legalization...

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:32 PM
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46. I can't, but if the makeup of the party is anything like America..
About 80% are for legal medical marijuana and slightly less are for legalization or decrim.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:15 PM
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11. Legalize Marijuana
Republicans need to toke up and relax a little:)...............
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:25 PM
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13. nice priorities our country has.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 05:51 PM
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16. what is the percentage that were jailed?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:00 PM
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17. I don't know, but it's the arrest that makes the most money for the middleman
They can legally seize property. Houses, cash, bank accounts, cars.

The prisons are already full, so their profit is already maximized.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:04 PM
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18. STOP people from reflecting seeing the bullshit more clearly-keep them drunk
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 06:06 PM by GreenTea
and sedated, passed out on the killer drug alcohol instead.

Alcohol causes fuck ups in one's life....and spending time & money to fix them....republicans want that....control!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:08 PM
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19. Our tax $ and LIES and we'll give them a lovely experience for a few years ---
and then let them out to begin again to try to find jobs, shake the "experience" and deal with the destruction -- !!!

What we need to stop is the Drug War and the corruption of government and police enforcement!!!


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 06:54 PM
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21. I witnessed a family members final stages of cancer. She would
not of been able to have the comfort she had without this drug. A medical necessity for many, and recreational for others. Treat it like another drug ie. alcohol....
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:03 PM
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23. The war on drugs is a crock of shit
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:05 PM
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24. The war on drugs is a crock of money.
It is a weed, it grows most anywhere, like dandelions. But there is no money in dandelions.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 07:21 PM
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25. Nonsense
I can't grow shit:(
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:56 PM
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26. K&R
The persecution of pot smokers is really out of control.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:06 AM
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27. This is such a tragedy. K&R nt
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:16 AM
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28.  Decriminalizing "marijuana" would displace nearly half the over-the-counterdrugs now on the market.
Cannabis sativa is on record as being the oldest cultivated plant in human history, mostly for its fibre for cloth, sails and rope. Its seed head was harvested for its great food content, both for humans and for livestock, and for its heavy oil content.



Pre-1930, it had taken hard labor to extract 50 per cent of the usable fibre. After 1935, industrialization created machines that enabled 95 per cent of the hemp fibers to be extracted for industrial uses.

Popular Mechanics magazine in 1937 had a front cover article lauding the new "million dollar crop" that had over 25,000 uses.

Farmers would now be able to favourably compete in the industrial raw material market for such items as paper, plastics, textiles, fuel, building materials, etc.

DuPont, the oil industry, the cotton industry, the chemical industry and the big timber industry all saw cannabis hemp and small family farmers as being competitors to their dominance of the market. Using their money influence and connections in government, they quickly moved to ban the growth of hemp, both in the USA and in Canada.

Using the Mexican slang name "marijuana", propagandists in the media (newspapers, magazines, and films) created an image of moral decline from one taste of marijuana. Most U.S. Congressmen did not even know they were banning hemp.

In 1938, the Government of Canada decided cannabis "marijuana" was "bad" and banned the growth of all cannabis plants in Canada.

Removing hemp from the industrial raw material market cemented North America's addiction to petroleum.

Local farmers who had been growing the plant since pioneer days for rope, baling twine, clothing, livestock feed, human food, oil for lamps, fuel, horse bedding, a cash crop to sell to the hemp rope and textile mill in Douglas, and for many other uses, simply had to find the cash, during the cash-poor times of the late Depression, to buy all those items they used to be able to provide for themselves.

Government suddenly was telling farmers what they were allowed to grow on their own land.

The biggest complaint during U.S. Congressional hearings about banning "marijuana" came from the American Medical Association, (and has since been "mirrored" in the UK, with claims from the British Medical Association (BMA)......ed).

They knew how to use cannabis "marijuana" as a medicine, and had been using it for ages. The pharmaceutical industry promised the doctors they could replace any use that cannabis was being advocated for.

Big Pharma made a big promise and huge profits.

As Rick Reimer has clearly stated, their products have not been as effective for pain relief, nor other maladies, that cannabis, "marijuana," successfully alleviates.

It's been suggested that decriminalizing "marijuana" would displace nearly half the over-the-counter drugs now on the market.

Rick Reimer states that decriminalization of marijuana is a freedom issue, the "freedom to medicate yourself" with full, complete and balanced information, and without adding to the profit margins of the pharmaceutical industry, nor draining the health care budget.

Humans have depended on cannabis for thousands of years.

Oil dependency is new, as is the concept of making plants illegal.

I agree with Rick Reimer, it's time to reconsider our priorities, and the facts about cannabis marijuana, with an open mind. From all the research I've seen, decriminalization makes sense.

http://cannazine.co.uk/content/view/2097/1585/
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:37 AM
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29. it's a government plot to get all us freaky hippie people off the streets . . .
and into jail . . . seems to be working rather nicely, don'tcha know . . .
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:00 AM
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31. Mandatory minumum sentences and asset seizure
Just another symptom that America of the early 21st century has gone mad.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:03 AM
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32. Meanwhile my city is becoming overrun with crack, meth and heroin addicts
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:18 AM
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33. WOW, who would have thought Nixon's war on political enemies would last this long!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:11 AM
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34. The ONLY major Dem to oppose thisis Kucinich. The Clintons were huge drug warriors too. nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 10:30 AM
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36. Gotta arrest those pot smokers or there will no Oreo's left for anyone else.
I can't beleive this fucking country.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:19 AM
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38. In the meantime, up here in Anchorage....
a story out today about a 22 year old dude killing another dude with a frying pan
after a night of drinking tequila, then dismembering the body and stashing it
in grandma's deep freezer.

"When Elmer was drinking it was like he was a different person. He didn't have as much reason," said Anthony Conger, a friend of Seetot's. "He was a lot more likely to get into a fight when he's been drinking."

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/9400152p-9313505c.html
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:16 PM
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41. Here's how it works:
Police departments are addicted to Federal Money.

Departments that submitted proposals to fight crack and heroin got little or no money, only the proposals that were aimed at Pot cultivation and use did.
Proposals were resubmitted to tow the line.

see how simple it is?
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:51 PM
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43. Yep, think TULSA, TEXAS. n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:26 PM
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44. So, now the Feds give you money to fight the 'Pot problem'
you have to show cause in next year's proposal that justifies continued funding and hopefully an increase.
Net result is a lot of people get written up for minor possession offenses that would have usually been let go by the arresting officer with a verbal warning.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:31 PM
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45. So they pay cities to fight pot
but won't pay up when it comes to drugs that can actually destroy people's lives?

It's like they want the inner cities destroyed.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:26 PM
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50. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
A Sheriff on another board told how his proposal to fight hard drugs was denied funding while other jurisdictions in the area got generous funding for Pot.

Then you have airplanes affiliated with the Government or their contractors found loaded with hard drugs on the way to the US.

It sounds like someone is running interference for a very big drug operation with Billions involved.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:42 PM
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56. It's the same types running things who thought up Iran-Contra
So, yeah, It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to suspect our government is running drugs. It's a billion dollar industry, I'm sure they have their fingers in that pie. Why is it in their interest to have a hopeless and drugged underclass of people?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 04:51 AM
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57. So the Wealthy and middle class choose
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 04:54 AM by formercia
between security and freedom. Terrorize the population to the point they are willing to accept a police state.

This technique was used in Central America. The concept was to terrorize the population to the point they were willing to overthrow a legitimately elected government to make it stop.

Same people, same technique but instead of guns, it's out of control drug addiction and the resulting crime.

A similar concept 'Strategic Tension' was used in Europe with Operation Gladio.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:59 PM
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47. A new decriminalization activist right here...
The reason people haven't decriminalized it is because nobody gives that much of a damn, next to causes like poverty and AIDS and so forth. But if the government is going to make non-pot smoking individuals like me pay out the ass in taxes to fight this stupid war, they can damn well bet that we're going to have to waste our time take decriminalizing it as seriously as they take persecuting it.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:07 PM
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48. America has more POLITICAL PRISONERS than any other country
in the world!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:30 PM
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52. Great article here in Milwaukee's Shepherd Express
http://www.shepherd-express.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2007-10-18&-token.story=178622.113121&-token.subpub=

The War on Pot
America's $42 billion annual boondoggle
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by Rob Kampia

October 18, 2007
What would you buy if you had an extra $42 billion to spend every year? What might our government buy if it suddenly had that much money dropped in its lap every year?

For one thing, it might pay for the entire $7 billion annual increase in the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) that President Bush is threatening to veto because of its cost—with $35 billion left over.

Or perhaps we'd hire 880,000 schoolteachers at the average U.S. teacher salary of $47,602 per year.

Or give every one of our current teachers a 30% raise (at a cost of $15 billion, according to the American Federation of Teachers) and use what's left to take a $27 billion whack out of the federal deficit.

Or use all $42 billion for a massive tax cut that would put an extra $140 in the pockets of every person in the country—$560 for a family of four.

The mind reels at the ways such a massive sum of money could be put to use.

Why $42 billion? Because that's what our current marijuana laws cost American taxpayers each year, according to a new study by researcher Jon Gettman, Ph.D.—$10.7 billion in direct law enforcement costs and $31.1 billion in lost tax revenues. And that may be an underestimate, at least on the law enforcement side, since Gettman made his calculations before the FBI released its latest arrest statistics in late September. The new FBI stats show an all-time record 829,627 marijuana arrests in 2006, 43,000 more than in 2005.

That's like arresting every man, woman and child in the state of North Dakota plus every man, woman and child in Des Moines, Iowa on marijuana charges … every year. Arrests for marijuana possession—not sales or trafficking, just possession—totaled 738,916. By comparison, there were 611,523 arrests last year for all violent crimes combined.

....

MORE here: http://www.shepherd-express.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2007-10-18&-token.story=178622.113121&-token.subpub=
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:34 PM
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54. All this human potential WASTED thanks to a war of lies and terrorism on a beneficial plant!
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 06:34 PM by Zhade
This country's rulers - and enforcers - are insane.

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TimBean Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:37 PM
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55. One candidate has vowed to end the stupid war on drugs.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 06:37 PM by TimBean
Ron Paul. Sorry, he's an R.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 05:16 AM
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58. Gosh, I feel ever so much safer!
People who smoke pot aren't paying any taxes, but they're still smoking. It's good when they crack down on smokers, no matter what they're smoking.
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