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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:34 PM Original message |
Global Warming is Irreversible!? More than 6 Billion People will Perish at Century's End!? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are some chances |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. In that case time travel and wormholes too. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. No, nanotech actually exists ... time travel doesn't |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
84. yet another tech solution. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Do me a favor and Google "nanotechnology" and find out what it does |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I'm well versed in nanotech. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Explain to me |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. I asked the question and by you throwing it back at me just shows me |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. I've answered the question |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. Incidentally, your calling yourself "Javaman" is oddly appropriate to an anthropologist ;) n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #109 |
128. I drink coffee, that's why. nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Nanotechnology requires energy, Melody. I think that's his point. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I get his point. I've answered it. He's just arrogantly assuming he knows more than we do. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #111 |
129. nt |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. nanotech scares the crap out of me too |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Guess that is what future torture victims will have to endure, nano experiments, if they are not |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Well, if the choices are irreversible planetary and species destruction OR nanotech |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
85. Want to get a glimpse of a nano future. google "nurdle"... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Not the nurdle stuff again |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. whatever dude have fun in your basement coming up with a new energy source |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
112. Not a diss, but - your fervent belief in nanotech borders on a religious faith. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I don't have fervent belief in anything -- please read the context, Zhade. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #113 |
130. Perhaps if you included |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
102. Smalley was right about nanotech. |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's become the same as the deniers. |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. yup exactly what he said.. you nailed it... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. No. He's basing his conclusions on observations that are not plugged into models yet. |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Exactly. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. The IPCC is indeed too conservative |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
71. James Hansen - "If this is the best we can do, perhaps we should be doing farming or something else" |
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DLnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Very good reading! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Unfortunately, the models are turning pessimistic. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. if the truth were known, the riots would already be starting. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
107. Nah, they're getting more precise. Go to RealClimate.org. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
86. did you actually read the article? nt |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. About 74,000 years ago |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Yup. This won't be the first time, nor will it be the last. nt |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. That is why Shiva is equally prominent. Death and rebirth. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. Bush and Cheney might blow us all up before that n/t |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Yikes. That's 14 months and 29 days left, MAX. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. Just look at the posts from DUer GliderGuider in E/E |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. And that is too often totally overlooked in formulating scenarios. |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. what about all the old growth forests? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
103. Yeah, but petroleum energy is pretty dang abundant. |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. Message: We're Fucked - Prepare For War - Pollute At Will |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. he may well be right, but so what? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Humanity will survive, if Humanity deserves it. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. Yes you can live like he's right. It pays to be aware and to prepare |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. you seem to have misundertood what i was saying |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am switching back my light bulbs |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. thanks |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. And I now drive to work - despite living less than a mile away... |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. Lovelock is quite reputable. Nice work mankind! You f'ing blew it! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I weep for my babies |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. It's just an outrage. I want trials and convictions of those responsible. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. my thoughts exactly |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. We'll see. - n/t |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
21. So we just give up? |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Hell no! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
105. That's the basic sentiment from this POV. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. Scientists can solve the problem. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Yes you should if you are young enough. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Age 35 - too young? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
83. I'm 36...just got my PhD this year |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
90. Nope, just right. |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
124. I just talked with a young woman graduating in December. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
23. Particulate polutants have been masking global warming for decades |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
65. You saw the same Nova program I did ;) |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
26. All we have to do is outsource the problem |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. They're all cheap enough, but if their work on Vista is any indication, |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
73. LOL |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. "There is no safety in the cosmos." - Alan Watts |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
33. isn't it just amazing? |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. No kids here either |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. No kids here either. I would have loved to have been a mother |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
35. Unfortunately, this is what I actually believe. |
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UnyieldingHierophant (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
40. In the prophetic words of Riddick..."it had to end some time" |
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NeoGreen (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
41. What do we tell the children? n/t |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. What will THEY tell THEIR children about us? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. You are too optimistic |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. We have to prevent that |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
44. He is also a professional liar. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Lovelock doesn't believe anti-nuclear BS? The HORROR, the HORROR!!! |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Yeah, a man with a lifelong history of whoring for the mega-corporations is someone you would trust. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Thanks for this. I'd accepted this guy without enough review. |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The danger of the tipping point is real, but |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
91. Thank you cons |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
121. The danger is clear and present, but Lovelock is a hack. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. The Gaia hypothesis has been disproved. |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. thanks for your post, Cons |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
123. Whenever doomsayers tell us to give up, stop working for change, |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
72. You obviously don't understand the Gaia Hypothesis. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. nice try. nt |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. What a brilliant put down. You must be impressed with your wit. |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. well |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. He has ALWAYS argued for doing nothing. This shows his motivation. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
106. And A LOT of people buy it. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
49. Mother Nature is ticked |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
66. After reading the entire thread: What does Al Gore & RFK Jr. think of this guy? Anyone know? nt |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
67. Why would the death of 6 billiion people be Bad Thing ?n/t. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. If you don't know then nothing we say is going to teach you. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
100. The same reason the death of a million other species. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
68. 6 billion are guaranteed to die by century end w/ or w/o global warming! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
69. There is a tipping point, and I think we did reach it a while back. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
70. Much more on Dr. Lovelock here |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Awake from your dreamtime |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. thank you SLaD |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
74. Isn't that the life cycle of a plague species? |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
75. Nature will solve global warming for us since we won't. |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
77. I just finished Lovelock's latest book |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Tim Flannery on Nuclear Energy |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. (ty) |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. I heard him on Fresh Air last winter |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Gaia reframes native american religion for western thought |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
99. We use less energy than algae. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
82. It's all up to us |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. I vote for fighting and tribalism |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #96 |
132. And that's why it's the great challenge |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
101. Lovelock, Derick Jensen, et al all lack insight. |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
104. so long, it's been good to know ya |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
114. Living in LA County, I think I'm experiencing the effects of GW right now. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. stay safe robert |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
115. I'm a Gaian and came to this conclusion quite a while ago |
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ideagarden (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
117. Where are the scientists? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Beck is crazy. See RealClimate.org |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Ha! Here we have another LaRoucher, folks! |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Thanks, LaDouche-Bag. n/t |
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Dora (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. OMG!!! A real live... why, I've never seen one this new! It's sooo cute! |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #117 |
131. Where are the scientists? They're off at Area 51, meeting with Lyndon . . . |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
122. OK-I found a couple of Rolling Stones interviews with Al Gore where he talks about Lovelock- |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #122 |
127. thank you, GR |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. After all that has happened these long 7 years, I too want to jump & think the worst. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
126. Don't worry about it. |
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