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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:28 PM Original message |
Can the NRA be Beaten by an Empowered Lobby of Community Safety Advocates? |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have heard local sportsmen's clubs complaining that young people are not |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah, lets piss off some potential voters.... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Aren't Arnie and Bloomie very successful moderate Republicans? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I wouldn't want either of them as governor of my state, much less POTUS |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Either would be huge improvement over Rick Perry |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I loved Molly, too, but it's time to move on... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
85. Molly Ivins, Dismissed As A "Great Humorist"? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. My, but you're so sensitive! |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. If I'm "Sensitive," I Come By It Honestly |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. My wife felt the same way about Molly... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Good catch! Like a Klingon cruiser losing it's cloaking shield for a second. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. There was no real answer from gunners to these progun Repubs kicking Dem butts |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 03:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Bill would rather see permanent one-party Repub rule, than have a rational discussion of gun laws. |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 04:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. billbuckethead is on a Holy Moral Crusade |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 04:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Yup. He's a real buckhead, all right. Thanks for that link. nm |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. So Al Gore was right about everything except guns? |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
80. Al Gore doesn't support you. Bill. Don't try to drag his name into your foam-flecked zealotry. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. I'm dragging Al Gore into a gun debate?????????????? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. "Throw them out of our families, workplaces, places of worship and elected offices..." |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Heston Suggests `Lynching' As Appropriate Response to Al Gore's Gun Policy |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. One-Trick Pony, Eh? n/t |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Just a fact, the NRA was founded so that our soldiers would be better shots |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Yes. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. It gives Americans a mistaken idea that they can outshoot our way to victory |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Extremely true |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. 1968, just when the civil rights movement was threatening white supremecy |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. And it's no coincidence that most gun laws started as Jim Crow laws |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Defending nutjob Heston? Ever read his speeches? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. I'd defend 1960's Heston, not modern-day Heston |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Not only that, but the US government set up a program to arm citizens... |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
71. There is craziness on both sides of this issue. I know people who swore all liberals |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-22-07 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Dude... it's California. What else would you expect? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Yeah, like the "red" states aren't the sheeplike states |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You mean like Vermont? Minnesota? Oregon? Washington? |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 03:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. As everyone knows by now, guns don't kill people, |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Those are also pretty backward states compared to California, New York, Massachussetts |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You're sick... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Vermont is a nice rural county |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. The NRA, maybe. 60 to 80 million voters who own stuff you want to ban, no. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 03:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Nice post! I like those numbers, too. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. No because they are used to commit crimes like the beltway snipers |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I thought firearms were already illegal in Washington? |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 03:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. Well now that CA is actually on fire, |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
17. Ah, yes, Californa.. the crime-free land of peace. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Post of the day... (n/t) |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. So how many women are threatened by gun owning men every day? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 02:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. How many woman are threatened by jeans-owning men every day? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. One is supposed to burn deteriorated flags |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. No rips, no tears. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
18. Where does that 200 number come from? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Probably here: |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Interesting, thanks |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Versus how many women killed by their husbands/boyfriends? |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 02:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Off the top of my head, I can count two women saved by the use of a gun |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
58. Terrorize? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. What are you scared of that you are a slave to a gun? |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:02 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. What am I scared of? Losing my rights to the irrational fears of others. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 07:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
108. The rotting 2nd amendment will still be standing after all others gone |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I would hope so - that's the one that makes the others possible. nt |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. It's laughable to say that guns make men free |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
83. Millions every day??? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. From this guy... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
118. What percent of marriages do you think are abusive? |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
20. well, it sure would be nice. |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. Not until true campaign finance reform is enacted. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Or an investigation of the Norquist-neoCON Rifle Association |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. The Bulwer-Lytton people called; they want their writing back. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. The US gun culture demonizes itself everyday on the evening news |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Actually that would be the US criminal culture you see on the news. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Gun owners are all choir boys till they pull the trigger |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Your man Bloomberg says that 90% of shooters in NYC had prior criminal records... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. You've watched reefer madness too many times |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. And what created the crystal meth market? The banning of softer drugs did. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. What createed the demand for meth was meth |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Then why wasn't meth such a huge problem in the '60s, '70s, and '80s? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. It was. Ever hear the term "speed kills" from the sixties? |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. I take someone new shooting every week.. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. He lives in a VERY wealthy community (Buckhead) in a very pro-gun state. (n/t) |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
86. Punch "NRA Comic Book" Into Google..... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
104. Pictures speak louder than words |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. And To Think That Our Resident DU Gun Militants..... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. The NRA is largely irrelevant, IMHO. |
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SlowDownFast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. No thanks, Buhwheat. I like my guns. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
97. I like my guns too |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
38. So if from your POV if you're not killing someone a "gun" has no purpose? |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
44. Bill, is there any particular reason for your searing hatred of guns? |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Because he's a Holy Crusader |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. He doesn't hate guns so much as he hates us Sinners who own them, IMHO. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. "Positive side of gun ownership" Things like "gun porn"? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. As I have posted elsewhere... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. It's too hard and far too costly for society to figure out who the bad guys are |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. The Second Amendment is not "too hard" or "too costly" |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. "People use cars all day, every day—and 'motor vehicles' include trucks. How many of us use guns?" |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
90. That author forgot category number four... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 04:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. The vast majority of liberals, women, and minorities? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. American's don't have the freedom to move around their nation as freely as |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. You do realize that in the last decade or so, things have improved markedly, right? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 07:00 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. And now they're getting far worse in the last couple of years |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. You're trying to determine a long-term trend based on 2 data points |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Bill why didn't you mention England? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-28-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
119. UK has 3 times less homicide rate than the USA and gun crowd say that's worse |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Well, as I've posted numerous times here on DU |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Personal experience with gun "enthusiasts" and their victims |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. And every day, we lose more Americans to alcohol than to guns. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Some in my family are reformed gun enthusiasts, they outgrew it |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Flintlocks are for 17th-century colonials, Bill |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Some in my family are just growing into it - in their 50s. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. It's not the gun enthusiasts you need to worry about. It's the crime enthusiasts. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Yeah, like when NRA whore Bob Barr accidently shot off a gun at a fundraiser |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Newsflash: EVERYBODY is law-abiding until they break a law. |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
94. Bill, are you really George Soros? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. George Soros is a personal hero of mine. |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
81. The gun owning public has |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Good point. I've never given a dime to the NRA, or even |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. You might want to check these links out... |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
91. Yes. But then they lie low for awhile, say a generation, then they change the name |
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WGS (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
93. I am still trying |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-26-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. So is everyone else with.... |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-27-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #93 |
113. Economics |
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