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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:05 PM
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Accusing the President of sending soldiers to their deaths for amusement is bad form.
It kinda makes you look unhinged.

(I hope this isn't a bad time to point this out.)
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:06 PM
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1. Then I guess...
you'd be calling a sizable portion of DUers "unhinged".
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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4. Oh, yes. I would definitely be saying that.
Yes, indeedy. Unhinged is exactly the word I'd use.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:09 PM
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10. I hope you're being sarcastic. eom
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:31 PM
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68. Only kinda.
Most people here are simply frustrated, but one helluva lot of people have come straight off their hinges.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:33 PM
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72. I would say it is unhinged to *not* be outraged.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:34 PM by varkam
But that's me. And, for what it's worth, a good number of other people (here on DU and elsewhere as well) are unhinged as well (at least according to you). I guess you're one of the few sane ones left. Well, bully for you.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:37 PM
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77. Sure. Being outraged over this immoral war is fine. Expected. A sign of clear thinking.
Stark's comment, however, suggested much more than outrage.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:41 PM
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82. Oh? And what's that?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:42 PM
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85. You're not paying attention: bad form and being unhinged.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:44 PM
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88. So then what is the difference between being outraged...
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:45 PM by varkam
and being unhinged? Could you please enlighten me, seeing as how I'm not paying attention. :eyes:

How can his comment suggest bad form? It either is, or it is not. I don't think that it was, but obviously you do. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:19 PM
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147. What he said was there is no good reason for the war. CAn you think of one good reason
for the war? Or maybe, the president is just doing it for his own selfish reasons, like money and absolute power?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:02 AM
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195. Yeah well reality is a bit*h what_a_ya_gonna_do? If you witnessed Bush
give clenched fists when Tommy franks "Sock N Awe" show was going on? it just may have made believer's out of some...
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:15 AM
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200. Yeah. You're so calm, cool, and collected.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:14 PM
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21. And to send and keep them there
Despite over half of the congress and senate and 70% of the population says get out is "not" unhindged? I dont get your point. Starks position seems like a pretty common one, in that the PRez is in a small minority that wants to be there.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:29 PM
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152. Do you have any male children between the ages of 18-26?
Or are you within that age bracket?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:57 AM
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199. here is what happens when you are afraid to use "bad form"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hGHp50ZqWpU

to quote Gene Hackman from Mississippi Burning

"These people crawled out of the sewer Mr. Ward! Maybe the gutter's where we ought to be!"
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:06 PM
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2. That might stand if it weren't so obvious it's the truth. n/t
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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3. Ditto.
Apparently, there is no place for the truth in America today.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:12 PM
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17. I can (and do) accuse the president of many things:
  • lying
  • brain damage
  • insulated
  • not worthy of such a cool mountain bike
  • spaz
  • manipulative and manipulated
  • agenda-driven
  • not giving a good god damn about what's good for the US as a whole
  • signed, sealed and delivered
  • hateful

But, I would never say that he derives pleasure from knowing that soldiers are "getting their brains blown out."

Actually, it's just my opinion, and I disagree with your opinion. Neither of us have the facts.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM
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39. He may not "derive pleasure", but I think he really does not care at all
that he is sending the soldiers to their death. He cares not one bit.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:26 PM
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60. Exactly. Apathy does not equal amusement.
He and his handlers couldn't give two shits about the soldiers, or the iraq civilians.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
111. bush loves the idea of people dying for his lies..
but it's bad form to point it out.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:22 PM
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46. But an opinion is based on a belief
What belief do you base your opinion on that he doesn't derive pleasure from knowing that soldiers are "getting their brains blown out."?

From what I've seen the death and destruction that's been caused by his actions doesn't seem to phase him at all, as long as his agenda is being met!

So, what belief is your opinion based on?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:19 PM
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130. I simply have no reason to believe he does. It's a pretty harsh accusation.
One normally would not say such a thing without a body of evidence.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #130
148. he sure was amused about Karla Fay Tucker.
there is your proof.

I don't think many here are too concerned about what Emily Post may have thought about this.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:34 PM
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73. the word was 'amusement', not pleasure.
with all the bucks that are flowing into the fat pockets of Halliburton, Blackwater, etc., because of this horrid war and all the extras that come with it, you bet they can afford even greater toys for their 'amusement'.

but pleasure could work too. There's something about Bush and how 'alive' he looks when he talks about death.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:47 PM
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93. Ever thought you may be deluding yourself?
He LOOOOOOOOOOVES being a WAR President! Love, love, loves it! Planned on it, obviously. What is war but people blowing each other up, shooting each other up, etc.

You cannot love war so much without also loving what war is all about.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #93
131. Perhaps. I think he's more insulated and detached than evil.
Again, just my opinion.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #131
134. Do you think he is so insulated and detached that he...
Doesn't understand that the war he loves so much means death and destruction?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #134
142. He knows of the death and destruction, but he insulates himself from it.
It's not unusual.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:58 PM
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162. do you know this for a fact? or is it your opinion?
seems to me he is a crass asshole when it comes to death... just like he was while Gov of TX when he mocked that woman who was getting the death penalty... and how he giggles when he talks about it now.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:58 PM
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107. You may not say it, but I'm sure glad Stark did.
We don't need DNA evidence and a three-week trial to understand that death and destruction give Bush genuine pleasure. It's been noted by prominent psychologists and psychiatrists that, to put it mildly, Bush exhibits all the symptoms of a full-blown sociopath. As you know, sociopaths do not derive pleasure from life, but from controlling and crushing it.

After all Bush has done to cause so much suffering and death in this world, why would you hold back from stating he derives pleasure from knowing that soldiers are getting their brains blown out? Has he ever indicated for even one moment anything opposite? Why in the world would he deserve such a large benefit of the doubt? Especially after he had the nerve to yuk it up about how funny it was that WMD could not be found in Iraq?

This monstrous creature gets no benefit of the doubt from me.

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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:05 PM
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116. You call him brain damaged?
Pot? There's a kettle over here who has a few words for you...

:rofl:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:20 PM
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149. brain damage? oh no, he is making billions of dollars from these deaths.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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5. Have you ever listened to the republican political rants?
They are the political party of bad form. We are the party that whimpers and oblidges to bully tactics.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:14 PM
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20. Public opinion is on our side when it comes to Iraq. When don't need to appear completely nuts.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:19 PM
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34. I'm one of those constitutional nuts.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #34
86. The constitution requires that you make outrageous comments about the president? I missed that...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:54 PM
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102. Nope but it doesn't say I can't.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:06 PM
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117. True, true. But, others equally have the right to harshly criticize the things you say.
Freedom of speech is not a one-way street.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:19 PM
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129. Seems to be in the House of Representatives.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #86
158. The constitution gives us the right to criticize our government,
president included. As for outrageous remarks about that little bastard, he done and said many outrageous things for which he deserves much condemnation--public condemnation.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
178. Well, yes, they are
But shouldn't we aspire to better than that? Or what's the point, really?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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6. I take it...
...that you won't be starting your own political party, then, because of this outrage?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:16 PM
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27. Yep. You can take that to the bank.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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7. sending soldiers to their deaths for your amusement is bad form!
I dont give a flying eff about form.
Truth is, BUSH SMIRKS WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT DEATH.
To point that out, and then refuse to apologize, is heroic!
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:08 PM
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8. Are you trying to win another DUzy?
Because THAT is funny stuff, man! Hey-OOOO!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:09 PM
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9. It's the truth
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:09 PM by KingFlorez
Did you not see Bush make a joke at a Correspondents Dinner about WMD's not being found? There's no good reason to try and defend him.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:10 PM
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11. He should have stuck to the fact
projecting motive (amusement) took him over the line.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:10 PM
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12. the truth is bad form????
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:10 PM by LSK
Can you explain the surge please? Or the last 4 years of we are making progress? Or the decision to send them there in the 1st place?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:11 PM
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13. So who the fuck wouldn't be unhinged at this point?
hmmmmmf.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:16 PM
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29. Well, there's me.
Any others?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Well I'm glad for you that you are doing so well with all of it.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:19 PM
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37. yes there are others
They can be found here:

www.foxnews.com

and here:

www.freerepublic.com

and here:

www.townhall.com

and here:

www.worldnetdaily.com

You are not alone. Except maybe on this website you might be.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
80. Isn't that special. Comparing me to Fox News, Freepers, and the WorldNuts.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #80
96. well you asked who was with you
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:51 PM by LSK
When you call someone supporting those comments as "unhinged" you are doing their work for them.

Now please explain Bush's "stay the course" please.

:shrug:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #96
150. (Snicker, snicker) Nods head!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #96
184. Heh.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
53. Yeah I agree with you
I don't think Bush is sitting in his den cackling with glee while looking at defense department photos of dead bodies. What some people here don't seem to understand though, is that you can still think the guy is an vile prick who should be impeached while not thinking he belongs next to Stalin, Jason, Pol Pot, and Chucky in the sadists line in hell.

He's just an incompetent moron backed by money who maneuver him for their own financial self interest. Amusement on his or their part implies that they care, either negatively or positively. The truth is he probably is incapable of truly understanding what death means to the deceased and their living relatives, and his handlers don't give a shit. They don't derive amusement out of it...they just simply couldn't give a fuck about them.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:22 PM
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132. Yep.
I don't think Bush is sitting in his den cackling with glee while looking at defense department photos of dead bodies. What some people here don't seem to understand though, is that you can still think the guy is an vile prick who should be impeached while not thinking he belongs next to Stalin, Jason, Pol Pot, and Chucky in the sadists line in hell.

He's just an incompetent moron backed by money who maneuver him for their own financial self interest. Amusement on his or their part implies that they care, either negatively or positively. The truth is he probably is incapable of truly understanding what death means to the deceased and their living relatives, and his handlers don't give a shit. They don't derive amusement out of it...they just simply couldn't give a fuck about them.
That pretty well sums it up for me.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:35 PM
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169. No it doesn't
Apparently because you don't think Bush is a cannibal who dines on the corpses of the dead american soldiers, while wearing a Count Dracula cape followed be an evening of light masochistic bondage involving a dead goat's carcass and a wooden puppet while watching a slideshow of people being tortured, you're not a real liberal.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:00 AM
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185. He's a serial killer w/o a conscience.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:00 PM
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164. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:11 PM
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14. I'm thinking hypothetically here...
but say that Hillary Clinton actually DOES become President, and some repuke asshole gets on the floor of Congress and says something really rude and hateful about her (and you know they will). I hope the everybody remembers this "little" incident. I know I will.
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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:13 PM
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19. But of course!
They've already taken the liberty of calling Ms. Clinton a " Vagina-American." How can one achieve civil discourse after that?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:13 AM
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190. On the floor of the house?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. been there, done that
See 1993-2000.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. We already have buried multiple Republicans for their indiscretions. That's not the issue.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:12 PM
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15. not half as unhinged as sending troops to be killed and then making a big joke out of it
Bring it on!

Oh, are those the WMDs under my couch?

Ha ha ha. Very funny. Not. Crazy.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:19 PM
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35. Yes you got it! Bush has joked about it
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:12 PM
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16. OK,
If am unhinged, so what? BTW, what does Bu$h look like when he smirks when speaking of death and destruction?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:22 PM
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49. Oh, hell! Bush is totally unhinged. And I wouldn't vote for him in a million years.
So, are we to use Bush as our template of a political leader? Bad idea.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:24 PM
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52. Bad form. No. Make that REALLY BAD form.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:13 PM
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18. Bad form?
Reminds me George Plimpton, in Good Will Hunting, playing the part of a psychologist:

"Now: no more shenanigans, no more tomfoolery, no more ballyhoo."

Truth, however shocking, is never "bad form".
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:15 PM
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26. Stark's statement was a classic example of
opinion. That doesn't make it truth. That you or I agree with him, still doesn't make it truth.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM
Original message
Exactly. Thank you very much.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:33 PM
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71. That * finds human suffering amusing is a matter of record, not opinion.
But lets grant that it's opinion, for the sake of argument. So what? What's your point? That questioning * gives the terrorists more power is opined often enough, and nobody is censured for that.

Are you honestly suggesting that Congress deals chiefly in truth?
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
168. If it were truth,
bush would be gone and the war would be over. The outraged would be 95% of the country and 100% of the military.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:15 PM
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24. I see what you mean but would qualify that with,
it makes you look unhinged to the minority who don't think Junior is a sadistic little bastard.

I may be biased.

lol
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #24
38. We all have our opinions. And there's a time and a place for expressing them.
Although most people are thoroughly disillusioned with the execution of this war and disapprove of Bush, I don't think that they see him as being that evil.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #38
62. I don't think we're acting up enough.
But, that's just mo.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #62
97. Mine too...
He loves being a war president.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #97
114. For both of you: if we choose to act up in the way Stark did, we have to be willing to pay the price
It's just the way it is. There are consequences for our actions.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #114
136. And there should be consequences for BushCo's actions as well
Protesting this war that should have never been is a very patriotic thing to do. What exactly are the consequences of being extremely patriotic?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #136
144. I'm not sure I grasp the intent of your question, but I agree that BushCo deserve much...
Much in the way of retribution. I do believe that it will come. However, petty name calling is not the way to get that party started.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
25. And letting the other side set up the meme that you are weak
is not only bad form but bad for democracy

You know that thing we used to have in this country
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #25
51. You and I agree on that. We just seem to disagree about Stark's execution.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
28. Trolling Is Bad Form
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:17 PM by Beetwasher
It makes you look unhinged.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. :nodding:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
43. Meh. It's called counterbalance.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. Trolling Is As Trolling Does
I bet you call torture "enhanced interrogation" too. :eyes:
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #57
70. here here!
:applause:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #70
81. Well, kids. If I'm so obviously trolling, why are you posting on this thread?
Lack of self discipline? Ice cream cake?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #81
100. Why Not?
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:53 PM by Beetwasher
Why do trolls troll? Lack of discipline? They'e unhinged? Pathetic social life? Mad at mommy? :shrug:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #100
110. well, ok. but that's a different discussion altogether.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #28
188. Amen.
I can't believe this person is still here, actually.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:16 PM
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30. But not as bad form...
as *actually* sending soldiers to their deaths; and directly and indirectly causing the deaths of thousands of civilians; and putting the whole world at increased risk of terrorism - without a single valid reason!
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PollThis Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:16 PM
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31. That's the problem. It's all about form, haircuts. The big shit has to wait
until we can say it just right.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #31
172. You make an excellent point, and we are all extremely frustrated.
Congress barely can pass a single non-binding resolution that says nothing. They can't bring themselves to stop funding the war, to bring a single soldier home ahead of schedule, or the tell the president to stop tapping our citizens' phones.

We've become experts at saying nothing, but we haven't figure out how to say things that matter.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:18 PM
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32. Actually, sitting and reading My Pet Goat while people are jumping to their deaths is bad form,
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:18 PM by RestoreGore
Blowing out birthday candles on a cake while people are drowning in New Orleans is bad form. What Stark said was not bad form, it was reality.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:19 PM
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36. when it comes to HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of deaths, truth trumps form
IMHO
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
84. Does it? Then why the tearful apology?
What did his comment get him other than a world of problems?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #84
194. because pelosi and other dems threatened to censure him
un-fucking-believable
impeachment is off the table
no censuring of bush or cheney
but, they are willing to censure their own - for speaking the truth
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aHvneHKOVi8

"the nail that sticks up
gets hammered down
the master's finest
his finest tools are found
slack jawed - placid
ami-dst the cacophony
of screaming billboards
and disneyfied history"

propaghandi - "today's empires, tomorrow's ashes"
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM
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40. The U.S. Military is Bush's toy
The chickenhawk-in-chief is an overgrown, silver-spoon kid playing Army. It's a game to him.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
42. Oh really? Then why are we in Iraq?
Let's hear it.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:21 PM
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44. No offense, but who the fuck cares about "FORM" at a time like this?
Did you not see him clowning around at the Press Club dinner, kidding about finding Weapons of Mass Destruction?

DO YOU THINK BUSH OR ANY OF HIS PARTY CARE WHO DIES FOR "THEIR CAUSE"?

Yep. REAL bad time to point this out.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
59. I've said this a couple of times in this thread: let's not imitate THEM. We're better than that.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
90. It's not about imitation -- it's about standing strong in the face of a 25% President
You'd think there would be at least SOME support for that in our leadership.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:21 PM
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45. No surprise you feel that way....
no surprise at all.....but I guess my saying that is "bad form" as well. (I hope this isn't a bad time to point this out.)
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #45
61. I'm not surprised that you're not suprised, but I'm disappointed you're not disappointed.
As for your form, well, you didn't extend well on your spin, you bent your knees upon entering the water, and you didn't stick your landing. I give it a 76.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
79. LOL, at least you do have "wit", I will give you that, actually, on that
I give you a ....... 8.2....as to the rest.....I have to say it qualifies as a belly flop.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. Hm. You have a point.
But I could see that belly flop a-coming as soon as I left the board. (We'd both have to agree that sometimes -- all the time? -- the belly flop is the most painful but also makes the biggest splash. I really am trying to make a point afterall.)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. A splash...yes, a point.....nope but you know that already I am sure n/t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #94
112. No. If you think I am simply making waves, you misunderstand.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 02:03 PM by Buzz Clik
I truly and honestly believe that Stark looked very, very bad for his comment. I don't support him for saying it, and I don't join those who have become ... outraged ... about his apology.

I recognize, however, that we are destined to disagree on both points.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #112
128. I wasn't being facetious in my comment that I was NOT surprised
you felt that way, your position on many issues has been consistent as was this OP. I believe you were HONEST in your position, again it is consistent but, as to starting the thread, I believe the intent was to create a splash otherwise you would, and have in other threads, simply state your position and move on.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:22 PM
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47. "Amusement", perhaps. "Arrogance and incompetence", would be spot-fucking-on.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Well, it certainly would have been far less offensive.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:22 PM
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48. In the future we need to all make a note to say he's doing it for PROFIT.
Even if making money is how his ilk amuse themselves. We must remember to be PC!
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bush use your line
as a rimshot in a private speech to his "base".
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:23 PM
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50. Then that's about what his apology should have consisted of...
"sorry, accusing the President of sending soldiers to their deaths for amusement is bad form, so I apologize. This in no way lessens my concerns about the way the president uses our soldiers".
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. That would have been a perfect statement. One I would support 100%.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #54
137. Why?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #137
145. Because it is the only aspect of his speech that I disliked:
This statement:
"sorry, accusing the President of sending soldiers to their deaths for amusement is bad form, so I apologize. This in no way lessens my concerns about the way the president uses our soldiers".

... hits it just where it should be hit: the comment about sending soldiers to their deaths for the amusement of the president. That's it.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:25 PM
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55. No. Starting flame-bait OP's is in bad form. What's next Buzz Clik? You going to toilet train us now
Sanctimonious twit.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. Oh, my. You aren't toilet trained?
That's a bit of a reach for me. Perhaps I could recommend some self-help books.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. You give yourself way too much credit - I think you're unhinged.
:hi:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #69
92. Well, there you go. And this is the perfect place to express such things.
CSPAN? Not so much.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:28 PM
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63. Oh no! Great timing! Marvelous timing!
If only Zandor and Sneaky Sailor were around, it would be perfect timing!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #63
74. Are you suggesting that there is some risk in tormenting the hive?
You could be correct.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #74
95. You tell me. Why were Zandor and Sneaky Sailor tombstoned?
I started a thread that was locked last night asking which post triggered the mods to put the disruptor tombstone in effect. Do you know why? What "torment" did they inflict that earned their dismissal?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #95
119. Sneaky Sailor? No idea. I saw only one of his posts.
Zandor, however, simply pissed off the masses and was forced to walk the plank.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #119
138. I doubt very much that Zandor was forced back to planet Zandor simply for pissing people off.
If that was the policy around here, there's be a lot more tumbleweeds than people.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #119
139. Bullshit
"Zandor, however, simply pissed off the masses and was forced to walk the plank."


Neither you nor I have anyway of knowing what precisely it was that the mighty Zardoz did that ended up in his well deserved TSing.
It is utter crap to suggest that the moderators of this board treat this as some sort of popularity contest. If that were the case, several extremely unpopular posters wouldn't be around for as long as they have been.

"pissed off the masses and was forced to walk the plank"-what melodramatic BS :eyes:. He was TSed as happens with lots of people all the time. When you troll on a board, repeatedly get topics locked (shit I have seen three threads by him locked in just the last few weeks and I don't even log on here that much), start posts that are total flame-bait, while pretending to be surprised that what you said would create a flame-war etc., it stands to reason that you run the risk of getting banned.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #139
141. Bleh. "Neither you nor I have anyway of knowing", but what I said it bullshit. Riggghhhht.
By the way, you're dead wrong. I have absolutely witnessed the disappearance of a poster simply because he/she was the recipient of multiple "Alert" instances. No other reason.

I certainly agree that I have no idea why Zandor was banned. None. If you'd like to give me something other than invectives and wild arm waving (ie, give me a link to a thread or post), I'm open to it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #63
87. LOL and....
:thumbsup:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #63
120. If only
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
165. You sound "amused" that they were Tomb Stoned
Bad Form.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #165
170. And probably bad timing on my part too.
;)

Have you got a brick oven to cook that?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
64. .
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:29 PM by Midlodemocrat
:boring:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:28 PM
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65. who really cares? screw 'form'- sending people to their death is
something much worse than calling someone out-

Our society is a failure- we bitch and moan over words, while the world bleeds, burns, and dies.

:shrug:

to HELL with decorum

America needs to get our heads out of our asses.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:29 PM
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67. In case you haven't noticed...
In case you haven't noticed, a growing number of Americans are becoming unhinged over what is happening to this country. And with good reason.

No offense, but take your "politeness" and shove it.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:36 PM
Response to Original message
75. When you are hinged to a body going over a cliff..it is best to UNHINGE
UNHINGED is exactly what the left needs to do! the far reight is unhinged from the center...we neecd BALANCE!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #75
173. Yes, I like the way you stated that.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
76. Unlike the republicans, of course
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 01:38 PM by incapsulated
Who make these kind of statements and much, much worse, every fucking day.

And never, ever "apologize".

We are in the majority now and still "apologizing". Censuring our own, censuring moveon, it's like they don't know any other way to function than to kiss ass and grovel and act weak.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:38 PM
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78. I know a bad form when I see one.
Here's a bad form:

Now THAT's a bad form that's got an awful lot of amusement. :amused:
Not one of his family has to protect oil wells in Iraq too.

Disgusting. :puke:
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:41 PM
Response to Original message
83. bad form?
please, tell us how we should behave. Because I'm sure the Republicans could use some more pointers on this... to use against us, despite doing it themselves every fucking day.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:46 PM
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91. Lying to Congress about Iraq/WMD and sanctioning torture are worse than bad form. n/t
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:50 PM
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98. Worse form is sending soldiers to their deaths for your profit, amusement, Daddy Revenge Syndrome
to prove you're macho, to keep the Israel porkbarrel rolling, to keep the US public reactionary....

Need more list?
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:51 PM
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99. unhinged is saying something deluded
since when did the truth become a deluded statement. doesnt make very much sense to me. :shrug:

the mere fact that you are angry about his "dissent" speaks volumes. stark is being forced, cajoled into a position that most americans don't agree with. when did the democratic congress becomes *'s lapdogs? or repukes? when pelosi switch parties? this is just a sham, a sham on the american system, and a sham on what was the party of the people. :puke:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:51 PM
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101. The TRUTH of our REALITY is BAD FORM. Bush IS BAD FORM. WTF dude?!?!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:58 PM
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106. ***sigh*** Stark expressed an opinion, not the truth. There's a big, important difference.
And the way he expressed was ... unfortunate.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:05 PM
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115. Why were the soldiers sent to Iraq then? It wasn't for WMDs.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:55 PM
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103. Referring to that idiot Bush as 'president' is bad form
just thought I would point that out.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:58 PM
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108. Well, dave, you have a point. I guess we should all be apologizing to each other.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:57 PM
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104. but * did blow up frogs for amusement didn't he?
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 01:57 PM
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105. Making a video mocking WMD's is in bad form!
Let's face it you can't get any lower than GW. Seriously, and if there is to be any apologizing it should start at the top. Let's all get real here.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:00 PM
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109. I so very much agree! We cannot get any lower than *, and we certainly don't want to be like him.
We can get where we want to go without this kind of distraction.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:04 PM
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113. Then feel free to call me unhinged
I don't give a flying fuck. :hi:
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:07 PM
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118. Well, you're a commie pinko atheist.
So we already know you're unhinged :D
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:08 PM
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121. Gay too
So I'm really freaking nuts.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:10 PM
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124. Really? I had no idea. I mean, I'm okay with that. I just didn't know.
Seriously, some of my best friends are gay. (there's no need for me to feel threatened, is there?)
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:11 PM
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125. Oh, musn't forget that you're hell-bent on corrupting our nation's youth.
Calling you unhinged, consequently, is like calling the Titanic a boat. :evilgrin:

I'm all seriousness, you're one of the few posters around here that I'd refer to as totally and unquestionably hinged. :D
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:33 PM
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157. Indeed. I'm doing double-time on that you know.



And thank you, my friend. :hi:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:08 PM
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122. In defense of some DUers: it is quite possible to be a commie pinko atheist and not be unhinged.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:13 PM
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127. Nuh-uh.
All atheists are unhinged, definitionally speaking.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:09 PM
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123. * kills for his amusement and IS unhinged.
Or don't you get that?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:11 PM
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126. Sure it is, but I got bigger fish to fry
I place Stark's mad libbed statement as #100 on the list of things to follow up on --in other words, until we get to all the other stuff of higher priority, I don't have time to dwell on it and neither does congress or the media (though that won't stop them...)
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:26 PM
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133. Calling out other DUers is also bad form on this board
From your posts at the top, you are evidently directing your remarks at a subgroup of DUers. Given your concerns about "form" you might want to consider following the basic rules of this board-ya know stuff like not calling lots of DUers "unhinged" :eyes:.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:32 PM
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135. Do you mean bad form or bad strategy?
If you mean form, I submit that any pretense to form has long been irrelevant to the process.

If you mean strategy - that is, if you think Stark's comments will foment hatred for the Democrats and drive away those in either party who hew closely to the centre line - I submit that you're just wrong.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:12 PM
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143. I have pretty easy answers to that:
If you mean form, I submit that any pretense to form has long been irrelevant to the process.
Yes, I mean form, and I'm beginning to agree. Congress used to be a civilized body. No longer.



If you mean strategy - that is, if you think Stark's comments will foment hatred for the Democrats and drive away those in either party who hew closely to the centre line - I submit that you're just wrong.
No, I do not mean strategy.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:37 PM
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160. Then my question is, why do you care?
Disapproving of Stark's "bad form" is like disapproving of a jelly stain on his tie. It's pretty pointless.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 02:42 PM
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140. Sending them to their deaths based on lies
is even worse content.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:19 PM
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146. You know what's bad form? The president sending soldiers to their deaths for amusement.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:28 PM
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151. Oh, NO!! Not Bad Form!! Get the smelling salts!! Nancy has the vapors!!
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:24 AM
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191. I do declare! Bring the fainting couch, I think I had quite a turn!
:rofl:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:31 PM
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153. Sending soldiers to their death for a war based on lies is way beyond bad form.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:31 PM
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154. I guess the truth shall set free your hinges.
I prefer to be on the side of those whose hinges have fallen off.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:44 PM
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174. That seems to be the general DU mindset. I am in the clear minority.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:02 AM
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186. With good reason!
:nuke:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:41 AM
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196. I'm guessing that we differ about those reasons.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:31 PM
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155. Are you defending the psychopaths in office?! You need to read up on who you're talking about.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 03:34 PM by TheGoldenRule
:wtf:

p.s. That dude isn't the president. He's a traitor who STOLE the office.

p.s.s. Just how many soldiers funerals has that dude gone to? A big fat ZERO.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:36 PM
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171. "Are you defending the psychopaths in office?! " I think my point was pretty clear.
I had a single point to make, and it had only to do with Stark.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:01 PM
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175. So free speech is not allowed? Or the truth? WTF? nt
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:36 PM
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180. I never said he couldn't say what he said. I simply said it made him sound unhinged.
Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to speak and not be criticized.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 05:50 PM
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210. Well then. What you are saying makes you sound unhinged. nt
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:32 PM
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156. I am reminded of when Gore and bush were in a debate...
and the Death Sentence was to be imposed on an inmate in TX...bush chuckled, he seemed amused that someone was going to die.

bush is a sociopath, he finds amusement where most would find discomfort and dismay. The more miserable some are, the more powerful he feels, in that regard, as in many others, he is a lowly creature.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:36 PM
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159. Maybe "amusement" was off the mark:
"for fun and profit," with the emphasis on "profit,"
would have been more accurate.

After all, it sure as hell wasn't for National Security. It was,
like they said in the "Godfather," "just business."
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:37 PM
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161. Bush used to execute people for his own amusement.
Remember Karla Faye Tucker? Sure what she did was unforgiveable, but Bush was so eager to flip the switch that he was almost celebrating it.

And if I'm unhinged, then I'm damn proud of it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 03:58 PM
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163. Excellent point.
Unhinged? Bush's callous psychopathic amusement at the death of others is a matter of public record.

Fuck the Democratic Leadership. They are complicit.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:18 PM
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166. Sending soldiers to their deaths for amusement is bad form.
Maybe you should be complaining about Bush, eh?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 04:20 PM
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167. You can lay money on the fact that Little Boots is amused
As other have pointed out, he's known for sadistic behavior, he's made jokes about things that killed people(WMD's for 1), and he finds it hilarious that he's sitting in the WH, most probably sharing a bed with Jeff Gannon, instead of Gore or Kerry.

His accomplishments are truly amazing, when you ignore his stupid act.

In short, you called out one of the few people who is telling the truth because you refuse to believe it. Congrats.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:06 PM
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176. yeah, because telling the truth about our priorities, that's just crazy talk!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:15 PM
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177. Deleted message
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:33 PM
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179. No, He's Not An Asshole
Stop giving us assholes a bad name. :evilgrin:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:56 PM
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182. *sigh* I suppose it was "bad form". But I am a very bad woman, therefore, my forms are bad as well.
However, I have never once thought of you, dear Beetwasher, as an asshole.

Badass, maybe -- which I can totally get behind (so to speak...).

:P
sw
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:26 PM
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209. Your post was deleted but worry not, plenty of us saw it. Excellent!
:thumbsup::headbang::patriot::yourock:
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:00 PM
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202. That's right: he's no asshole
he's an idiot and a collaborator.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:46 AM
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197. I feel the same way!
:hi:

You're most definitely not alone.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:38 PM
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181. Well, I Hope You're Happy Now

Looks like everything's hunky-dory for you and your fellow Politeness Above All Democrats. And I'm afraid it's just going to get better and better for you---Pelosi & Co. will continue to crater on one matter after another, running scared and stupidly adhering to the sort of genteel fair play code that the other side jettisoned a long time ago. So tell me: once the Democratic Party is totally disabled for lack of a backbone, and after the Republicans are able to snatch victory from the jaws of almost certain defeat because there's nobody to stop them, will it still give you a warm, rosy glow inside, knowing we didn't "get down on their level" and say or do something that might offend Rush Limbaugh?
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 09:03 PM
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183. It is much better to remain silent
and not speak the truth.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:12 AM
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189. Choosing words more careful doesn't equal silence
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:08 AM
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187. I actually agree with you
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 09:10 AM by Marrah_G
It will be used to beat the Dems over the head with.

Dems need to be smart right now. Stupid emotional outbursts just hurt the endgame.

I will also say the apology irritated me. Especially his last line. It does make them look weak. The whole stupid thing should have been avoided with more carefully chosen words.

Now you will have to excuse me while I don my flame retardant suit.
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:06 PM
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207. there is no fucking "endgame"
are you joking? Do you really believe that the collaborationist Dems have been playing a finely plotted game of chess? That they are going to swoop in and save the day???

My God. No wonder Bush and Cheney have been so successful -- we're a nation of total fucking morons.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:26 AM
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192. If it weren't true, you'd have a point.
But since it is the truth, it's fine to point it out.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:35 AM
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193. he is amused by it all - he's the war president-heh heh heh
go back and watch the russert interview when he said this and look how big his grin is
also - recently - when threatening WWIII he was giggling
war amuses this man - watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMACzBomDK4
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:46 AM
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198. didn't another DU member get banned for saying the same thing?
:shrug: Personally, I support Stark's comments... But I understand that we may have different opinions within our own party regarding this matter.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:31 AM
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201. BUZZ CLIK - YOU MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IarN_fNdAHk
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:01 PM
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203. What a Ridiculous, Pathetic Post
And what a sad piece of cowardice from you and all the Democratic collaborators. Fuck your "bad form".
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:03 PM
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205. Even using a right-wing talking point. "Unhinged". Malkin calls us that all the time.
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:10 PM
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208. anyone who ISNT at least slighty "unhinged"
by the current political and global situation is either an idiot, collaborator or in total fucking denial. This is as serious as it gets, people -- you have been stripped of habeus corpus and your right to privacy (even before 911, for chrissakes, how much more fucking evidence do you need??)-- while an idiot dictator straight out of decadent Imperial Rome sends young men and women off to die not ONLY for his amusement but to fill the coffers of his cronies.

WAKE THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE. OUR NATION, OUR FREEDOMS AND THE PLANET ITSELF ARE BEING STRANGLED BY CORPORATE FASCISM.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:02 PM
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204. Oh NOES! We wouldn't want to be seen as unhinged! We have a war to fight!
/me pukes.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 12:05 PM
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206. Thank God the actual SENDING doesn't make one look "unhinged"!
Heh heh, heh heh.
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