Who owns US debt? China, Japan, RUSSIA, SAUDI, and IRAN....

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB114710757447146758-8hXAsTMDWCjIX1vBwZ27SI4m3JY_20060607.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060320/ai_n16154599

these are only a couple of the tens of tens of links that have info on this.

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As it stands China holds a little over 1 trillion, and the balance is spread among Japan, Russia, and lesser amounts to Germany etc. BUT!!!!!!
The ones buying those debt bonds at the fasted t RATE is Russia, Saudi Arabia, and get this IRAN!!!!!!

You think Putin is bluffing? Playing with a pair of deuces? Think again, our econmomy can be completely collapsed overnight by either China, or a small cadre of the others. Now which has the the Nukes, and which has the 'Doomsday MAchine'?


Not a bug bank, or financial institution in the world that is unawares of this, openly spoken and written about. MSM won't carry such stuff, because the American public can't grasp it it, as MArk twain said 'It's to many for them.' and that includes the same percentage of Democrats and DUer's and whatever else, they haven't the curiousity,or the knowledge, or the intellectual ability or some combination of those. Too bad to, cause that's the real WMD, not some whacko arab 20-something with a belly full of C4.

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it will not be very long till they OWN it lock stock and smoking barrel. Period.

but what does "ownership" mean in this context?

They want nothing more than OUR country to be in complete and utter ruins.

IMPEACH THE MOTHER FUCKERS ALREADY!!!!!

and really ask ourselves what the hell debt like that means and what "pulling the plug" would really mean.

As far as I know they can't throw us in jail so what the hell could they really do?

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I guess they will let us off as long as we buy their goods, but if they find that Europe and the rest of the world are becoming better customers, they won't need us for anything and start recalling our debts. People are hoping Democrats can get the economy back in order again, which really is our only chance.

All hail the new lords...Consume or die.

Peace.

This isn't about petty little things like Wall-MArt bric-a-brac: It's about who will assume(or attempt to assume) control of glabal power. Do not mistake what I am saying as endorsement of the NeoCon hegemony plan, Stability requires that no one nation has the power the US had 7 years ago. But if things continue just a bit longer as they have the past 5 years, then the US will not even be in the 'sharing'. This has all sorts of possible nasty ramifications here in der Fadderlund.

Globalist (Global Corporate Oligarchy) are assuming power. People just can't see it yet. 'WE THE PEOPLE' (and not just US people) are petty serfs, played and strummed like a sweet violin.

Consume or die is what it is...either the global corporatist maintain the ability of the serfs to consume or they die. The engine of prosperity needs fuel, people are that fuel.

While I can agree that there will be power plays and political back and forths and lots of 'shock and awe' for the masses to chew on and proselytize about, I do not feel that it means anything more than theater of the 'Corporate Will' a necessary device to obscure the reality of a Global Corporate Oligarchy.

These are just my opinions, formed by the connections of synapses beyond my control.

The Corportists must achieve stability and to do that they must gain control, at present it is a short term tossup between them and the zeolots i.e. NeoCons and religious zealot states. That control hangs in the balance. The NeoCons want hegemonic control by use of military force, the middle east being step one, however there allies the religious zealots of the west want the total destruction of Islam as well(actually they want Armageddon so as to prove their bible was right, as they interpret it). Even if the religious Armageedon fails to materialize the NeoCons will still have several other major upheavals to undertake in order to secure their control. This of course will result in a catastrophic slide backwards for the world in general, which the Corportists plainly see.

With the growing awareness of the immensity of the Iraq invasion, the NeoCONS have a very short time frame in which to create sufficent chaos and fear as to convince the US populace to once again place them in total control. this is getting difficult for them as the Corportists have forced a couple of their own into key positions, number one being Robert Gates as Sec of Defense. Gates is a corportist tried and true with looong ties to some main players.

Where does that leave us on the craps table? It leaves us only the greedy evil devil or the insane evil devil. I think in the interim I would wish for the insane devil to die...then I could sit down and contemplate how, if possible to handle the greedy one.

and lastly I will blatantly steal for the moment your most excellent line: "These are just my opinions, formed by the connections of synapses beyond my control."

The current kaos has been a great driver for the economy. Not the little peoples economy, but the Corporate Military Complex.

Perhaps, this is all part and parcel with the game of rule, the pendulum swings back and forth and the CMC was dying and needed an infusion of money to keep its corporate master in the game - SWING - they got power, started a war and BAM got their money gift and in the process the world gets thrown into a little kaos and confusion which is all good for business. I mean, people are still buying iPods, right?

Ok, so now the CMC has the reins and they create a little kaos and make a little dough...next round comes the peace makers and they clean up the mess and make a little dough and strive to 'Set Things Right' and the world breathes a sigh of relief and gets back to buying iPods, which they never really stopped doing anyways. So now the soft commodity corporatist are able to make some new vaccines and pump some new healthcare initiatives through, make a few new dish soaps - they can also start selling cool little solar arrays at Walmart that help Mr. and Mrs. Average Global Citizen do their part for the war on Global Warming...Carbon Credits, green technologies and the like take off and a new set of Corporatist make some dough. "Hey, did you see the new Mini-Mega Windmill II at Wally World, I heard there was a price drop and now you can get one for just $29.89..."

After a few years of relative peace and prosperity, the CMC rises up again and creates some kaos and starts the cycle all over again.

As for you and I? We get old blogging our angst and carrying signs and someday when were about 120 or so (due to the advances in health care - maybe some money was made there?), we each look at the other and go 'Oh man, now I get it'...and then we drop dead. Funeral guy comes along, makes a few bucks off the corpse and life goes on...

There are lots of greedy little devils out there, and some insane ones as well - doesn't matter which one goes first...there are always other lesser demons waiting to fill the void...

Neo-cons are using the zealots and it is not the first time that religion has been used to gain more power and amass wealth.

Peace.

More synapses close and I blink back the tears that come from focusing to hard on the pixelated proxy mind that confronts me on this vast internet.

It has taken the mainstream Corporations nearly 3 years to grab a substantial share of the largess. Do not confuse HAlliburton and that group with mainstream corpoations, they are johnny-come-latelys. Halliburton was an oil support business(rich yes, but not mainstream and dependent entirely on the petro-chem fortunes for its operation), UNTIL Cheney was installed as its CEO. Most people are really unawares of why he was put into that position when he actually had little corporate experience. He was placed there to gear it up for the 'great' privatization move that was already set into motion during Clintons time, not by Clinton though he backed some of the scheme. When 911 occured they quickly and impressively took advantage of the opportunities and Rumsfeld and Cheney 'loaded up Hallibuton and it subsidiaries(most acquired during the Cheny tenure).

Back to the point, Texas oil, specifically Dallas were not and are not today playing on the ssame gameboard as the corporations you refer to. They remain deadly rivals for the big prize. TO differentiate easily simply remember this, you can list on a couple of pages the men with the money involved with NeoCON corporations, whereas the fortune 500 corps list would be a large volume scattered about the world. The NeoCON corps are run by ideologues and zealots. The Fortune 500 by common old everyday Harvard Business School Scrooges.

They are NOT allies...keep that firmly in mind. And the short term danger lies in the NeoCON corporation winning the game, the end game will always be won by the Scrooges cum latter day Rockefellers.

As a matter of fact, it is only a game worth playing if there are rivals to play. My apologies if I implied that they were allies...

I agree they are deadly rivals...I am just trying to liken the whole thing to a Tennis match or Pendulum Swing...It swings back and forth, volley after volley...

Peace.

Great.

Starting to look like checkmate, isn't it.

it is also relatively easy to corrupt various intelligence groups and to organize something like the 9-11 attacks. The Bush Administration is not only compromised, but they have no choice but to roll over on their backs and start proxy wars for the powers that be. When corrupt politicians profit in the process, what do they really care if they are aiding the "enemy"?

and did it really end or just move over to an accounting tablet?

there will come a day when the collective consciousness of the US gov't will realize that all their fluff is going to be called on and that moment comes just before the collapse.

I suspect they will all be found dead in the burned out shell of congress all holding martini glasses in their withered hands and smiles on their ghostly mummified faces.

We on the other hand will have to carry forward under the heel of the conquering invaders.

...I'm sure they've diversified their wealth and investments globally.

is most rethugs feel that our Debt really does not matter. as "America is the only world power, we could conquer any other nation and wipe out that debt over nite. As long as we Have Republicans running things." my opinion the debt they drive up is the basis of their war mongering.

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