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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:42 PM
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Did The White House Miss A Chance To Catch OBL Again? (Intentional or incompetent?)
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 04:41 PM by ProSense

Did The White House Miss A Chance To Catch OBL Again?

By: Nicole Belle on Thursday, October 25th, 2007 at 12:14 PM - PDT

Boy, even FOX News analysts are calling the Bush Administration (and the military generals–Watch out!) incompetent.

I have to admit that this story seemed completely buried until I heard it this morning on the Stephanie Miller Show. I only found one MSM story on it, which I don’t remember seeing at the time, and I get MSNBC news alerts constantly. Maybe the press should try doing their job and ask a few questions at the next presser??? I’d think that it would be in the public’s interest to know how well we are going after known enemies before they create even more in Iran, wouldn’t you?

Col. David Hunt (ret.) on FOXNews.com (I’m citing the relevant portion if you don’t want to give them the hits):

Besides, these things are of little consequence when you realize how we missed, squandered, screwed up, made a mess of and were massively risk adverse - again - when we did not kill Usama bin Laden in Afghanistan just two short months ago.

We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty - which is huge in the world of intelligence - that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger.

Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.

You cannot make this crap up; truth is always stranger and more telling than fiction. Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence.

The current “boneheads” in charge will tell you all day long that we are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorists there so they do not come here. Nice talk, how about - just for a moment - acting like you mean what you say? You know walk the walk. These incidents, where we displayed a total lack of guts, like the one in August, are just too prevalent. The United States of America’s political and military leadership has, on at least three separate occasions, chosen not capture or kill bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri. We have allowed Pakistan to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

I’m waiting for Boehner to introduce a resolution censuring Col. Hunt now…



Yet they're killing Iraqis almost indiscriminately with air strikes.

Edited to add:

Bin Laden may have just escaped U.S. forces

August mission in Tora Bora almost snared 'high value target'

By Justin Balding, Adam Ciralsky, Jim Miklaszewski and Robert Windrem
NBC News
Updated: 8:07 p.m. ET Sept 26, 2007

Still, some in the special operations and intelligence community are telling NBC News that there was a lack of coordination particularly in the choice of support troops. But with intelligence limited on who was there, no one is willing to say that the lack of key units permitted Bin Laden or Zawahiri to escape.

When the operation began in early August there was no expectation that Bin Laden or Zawahiri would be there, say U.S. military and intelligence officials. Instead, there was intelligence of a pre-Ramadan gathering of al Qaeda including "leadership" in Tora Bora. Senior officials in the U.S. and Pakistan tell NBC News that planning for the attacks intensified around Aug. 10 once analysts suggested that either Bin Laden or Zawahiri may have be drawn to the conference at Tora Bora. (When U.S. forces attacked al Qaeda camps in August 1998, following the East Africa embassy bombings, Bin Laden was attending a pre-Ramadan conference of al Qaeda in the same general area of eastern Afghanistan).

<...>

The operation closely parallels the killing of Abu Musab al Zarqawi last year. NBC News reported at the time that the U.S. military did not positively determine that Zarqawi was in the house that was bombed. Instead, they had surveillance on Zarqawi's spiritual adviser who led them to the house, and the decision was made to take the shot because they didn’t want to miss the chance to get Zarqawi. One general predicts, "That's the way we'll get Bin Laden." They may not have that positive ID, but there'll be enough intelligence to prompt an air strike and they'll find Bin Laden in the rubble.

What happened this time? Military officials admit there were unidentified "planning and coordination problems" even before it got to execution, “primarily between the operators and the generals who give the go-orders” added an intelligence official. A company of the 82nd Airborne was brought in since a Ranger team trained in special operations was not available. But the combination of the “dark side” — the SEALs — and the conventional — the 82nd Airborne — didn't work. "They didn't gel," said the military official. There was "a lack of responsiveness to the intelligence and a lack of aggressiveness."

Michael Sheehan, a former Army Special Operations colonel and counter terrorism ambassador, says he is not surprised.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:44 PM
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1. Maybe they did
but as any flag waving patriotic chickenshit chickenhawk will tell you, its all Bill Clinton's fault, because not taking responsibility for anything is a conservative value.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:49 PM
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2. Occam's Razor.
This is yet another in a long line of incidents which clearly show, in my opinion, that these guys are in no way interested in catching OBL.

We should all believe the pResident when he says, "you know, I just don't spend that much time on him".

They don't spend time on him. They don't care.

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:09 PM
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3. When are people going to realize that Usama is working for bu$h/cheney?
He is (was if not still alive) on the payroll and did what he was paid to do.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:42 PM
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4. Kick! n/t
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