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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:28 PM
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Why the secrecy with the Syrian reactor....?
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:02 PM by Flabbergasted
The first "real" evidence indicating a Syrian Nuclear Program has surfaced. It does indicate what was being said all along by the anonymous sources that leaked little bits of information here and there. I admit at first I thought this was all fake.

Two bits of purported proof held by Israel are still forthcoming: photographs from inside the facility, and samples of nuclear material traced to NK. I'm hopeful this evidence will come to light but who knows.


Here is the David Albright report: http://www.isis-online.org/publications/SuspectSite_24October2007.pdf
Before After Photos:




Anyway I've been wondering why the secrecy? If they have rock solid proof then why keep it hidden. There are several possibilities...Currently I'm wondering if it could be, among other things, to "drill it home". By spilling all the information at once you expend your whole "budget". By releasing information bit by bit you can maintain a media focus on the issue far longer.


Opinions?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:32 PM
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1. Bad link, and who said it was a reactor anyway?
People kept saying 'nuclear facility' blah blah. That's a loophole big enough for a supertanker.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:39 PM
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3. The building is nearly the exact same size as the reactor building in Yongbyon.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 06:39 PM by Flabbergasted
You can verify this by going to google earth and viewing the site from there. A measuring tool verifies the size as 48m.

Link fixed.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:33 PM
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2. Your link doesn't work.
I don't believe there was ever any "reactor" at all.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:39 PM
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4. why?
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:40 PM
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5. Link works fine, it opens a PDF file.
I do suspect a nuclear reactor but don't know why the dancing around it.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:44 PM
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6. For a long time the bombing was denied.
It's hard to know were the truth begins....
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:54 PM
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7. It wasn't a reactor. But developing the technology for one about five years down the line. Cut in
its infancy. Message sent!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:40 PM
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30. To bad the same message
wasn't sent to Israel in the late 50's eh?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:54 PM
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8. Maybe it took a while
to airbrush out evidence showing the chronological order of the photos are reversed.

Perhaps the supposed "after" photo was actually a photo of the facility under construction to begin with.

Would you put it past the presenters of this evidence to lie?

"Two bits of purported proof held by Israel are still forthcoming: photographs from inside the facility, and samples of nuclear material traced to NK. I'm hopeful this evidence will come to light but who knows."

I'm not sure why you are hopeful this evidence comes to light, are you saying you will feel better if it's true because it gives justification to the Israelis for violating the sovereignty of yet another neighbor,(which it wouldn't, any more than Syria attacking Dimona) or that you hope the Israelis have a newly emerging threat in the form of a nuclear arms focused Syria?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:07 PM
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9. How about we don't pretend that Syria wouldn't want a nuclear reactor or nuclear weapons..
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:33 PM by Flabbergasted
It is not as though there is not a motive. They do have enemies and two substantial and threatening ones at that.

I hope all the evidence comes to light that proves or disproves the accounts. It's better than being left with half a picture to me.

I don't think Syria's account really adds up either. They've been as secretive as Israel.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:33 PM
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11. Yes, Syria has been secretive.
When you are in prison and someone steals your cigarettes, you don't get on the PA system and tell everyone, unless you want them to know they can steal your smokes without repercussion also.

With Israel holding 300+ nukes, (not to mention their little problem with truth about all things nuclear) what good would launching one or two on Israel or any one else do for them?

Before they had a chance to fry in their own fallout, they would be turned into glass, so no, I don't concede they have a motivation to obtain them.

Too much wealth expended for ensured destruction of yourself. Not all leaders are as stupid as bush.

The same goes for Iran, they would both do better by signing agreements to provide China with oil in exchange for nuclear cover from an Israeli nuclear strike. That would be a win, win for all three and they would make money instead of spending it for no good reason.

Besides, Israel isn't really concerned about Iran getting nukes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389&topic_id=2137514&mesg_id=2137739
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:35 PM
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12. If Saddam had nukes we would not be in Iraq right now.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:37 PM by Flabbergasted
He wanted them too. It's a good thing Israel bombed their reactors.


Oh wait.

:-(
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:39 PM
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15. Sounds good to me.
Nukes all around, on the house, no more senseless wars.

:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:47 PM
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18. Atleast we agree. Hell, give everyone 10 and
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:48 PM by Flabbergasted
we'll all think twice before an invasion.

:hi:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:58 PM
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19. Absolutely
:hi: :pals:
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:15 PM
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10. The picture on the right has new roads and ground markings, not in the picture on the left.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:37 PM
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13. Must have missed the beginning of the post.
Airbrushing is a form of photo-shopping or falsifying photographic evidence, and we have the best people in the world on retainer.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:39 PM
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14. You'd then have to say that google is falsifying their photographs
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:48 PM by Flabbergasted
I doubt this is the case.

The building is shown on google earth exactly how it was sometime before Aug 2007. It is witout the purported pump and second building.

I've been looking for reactions from Syria and they've been less than satisfactory.

I'd like to see a reaction to the Albright report.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:41 PM
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16. Try
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:46 PM by DiktatrW
googleing a satellite pic of the Dimona nuclear plant in Israel, good luck.

Hell try looking at the Naval Observatory, Dead-Eye Dick had it censored.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:59 PM
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20. These are publicly revealed sites.
Syria was building an undisclosed nuclear reactor supposedly, which is why there is an issue.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:18 PM
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24. Dimona was publicly revealed?
Was it publicly revealed back in the day when they were building an arsenal they have still never publicly acknowledged?

Have you ever read about what they have done, and still are doing to one of their own citizens for actually publicly disclosing it?

http://www.vanunu.freeserve.co.uk/

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:21 PM
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25. This one:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:30 PM
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27. Thats the one.
I hear its leaking radio activity.

It was by no means voluntarily publicly disclosed by Israel.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:00 PM
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21. I understand that.
But it doesn't fly that you would decrease the number of roads and tracks whilst constructing the building. If the photos were airbrushed to reverse the chronology, the photo on the left should have additional roads airbrushed in, not taken out.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:08 PM
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22. Dirt/sand is also gone from a couple cliffs on the side indicating a possible explosive. nt
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 08:09 PM by Flabbergasted
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:25 PM
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26. Look, I don't know if its shopped or not.
My point is that after Powell showed the mobile bio labs at the UN that turned out to be artillery balloon inflaters sold to Iraq by the UK, I wouldn't believe my own drivers license photo if the Federal Government handed it to me.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:33 PM
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28. An attitude that does you credit.
I was merely pointing out why I do not think that's not the case in this instance.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:35 PM
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29. I got that
and your probably right about the photos, they just do much for me.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:41 PM
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17. If you adjust the contrast and the brightness of the two pictures...
to match each other, there is less "cleansing" than at first blush.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:11 PM
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23. Thus:
As in NYT:



Roughly adjusted:

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:14 PM
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31. I noted the odd brightness difference. I'm not sure what it indicates..
I assumed they took the photograph on a very bright day at high noon.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:16 PM
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32. Probably afraid of fact checkers.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:02 PM
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33. Possibly. nt
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:08 PM
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34. It's Not Much Of A Secret
Seems like a lot of people here sure know about the bombing...and that it has been somewhat publicized. Seems like the only ones who claim Nukes here are the chickenhawks. Maybe this site happens to be a trans-shipment point for weapons to Hezbollah. Nukes in that region make little sense as any bomb dropped on Israel by Syria stands a good chance of "blowing back" across their border.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:55 AM
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35. Did you read the report? nt
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