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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:17 AM
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90% of the callers were angry or upset with the neo cons


this morning for the 1st hr. of calls on c-span's Wash. Journal

repugs too. call after call, and many using the words 'neo con' to describe them.

I think this is the first time this percent has happened?

and the callers where mad as shit at our congress people, both partys.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:37 AM
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1. I don't understand how Bush has so much power still
the only thing that has gone through is the minimum wage bill, the Republicans continue to push all Bush-Cheney talking points,
surely by now even they must see that this is trashing our country. Even Iraq has wised up and given up on wise US policy moves,
they are going through the UN to request a roll back of authorization for occupation and a roll back of Bremer's oil give aways.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 12:00 PM
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3. He Still Has the Power Because Everyone & Everything that Could Threaten That Power Has Been Removed
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:26 PM
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8. And the corporatemediawhores
haven't been removed because they are in accordance with the bushits.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:08 PM
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10. In other words, our vaunted Fourth Estate was sold at a yard sale to the highest bidder.
American main-stream media no longer has journalistic intentions.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:29 AM
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27. In other other words ..our scum ridden fourth
estate was sold in a smoke and mirrored back room with karl-the deal meister-rove promising them their ticket to the MOON.

American m$$m hasn't had "jounalist intentions" since rove and I'm sure before.. it just wasn't in your face ":wtf: you gonna do about it?"

Gore's Internet and other venues are what we're gonna do about it. They wanna accuse Gore of lying about "he said he invented the internet".. Well, fuck 'em.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:28 PM
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17. well, to a degree that makes sense
I buy that they went along becuz it was a money maker for some rather greedy people, but they know we are running on empty,
it was interesting trying to see the neocons defend the Bush talking points on WW III, trying to make it into a diplomatic
feat when it's just crazy talk.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:21 AM
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25. "Interesting", but
fucking pathetic and deadly to our Nation and ultimately the Planet.

It's a "money-maker" alright..and the term "corporatemediawhores" is actually rather polite considering what they've done to our country and the World.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:19 PM
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32. yes, including their cheerleading on the Iraq invasion
they were the echo chamber for the OVP (Office of Vice Prez)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:26 PM
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16. in his adminisration yes, but in the Congress no
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 07:11 PM
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20. Something keeps bugging me....
It seems to me, a weakness in their vote stealing machines...and that is the WRITE IN part of the ballot, which is little used. They can not flip a write in vote.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:40 AM
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24. I don't even know how to write in with the Diebold machines
It's not like the old days and I have never heard anyone at the polling place mention it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:24 PM
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7. cheney*/bush* still has so much power because Congress enables it.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 02:25 PM by Raster
Period. Spare me the fucking Congressional procedural lectures or the info tidbits about arcane parliamentary actions. Congress has two main duties, to enact laws and to act as oversight on the Executive Branch. Congress--both parties--has completely abdicated its oversight responsibilities.

Cowards and collaborators!:kick:Wake up America!

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:29 PM
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18. I agree, they are to defend the constitution
bush and the constitution are a contradiction in terms
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:37 PM
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9. The only two possible explanations, I have.
1. The mega money powers are still backing him and too many members of the Congress are throwing their lot in with them as opposed to representing the people.

2. They don't believe he's stable and have become fearful for what he might do, should he be pushed in to a corner, sort of like a wounded beast becoming most dangerous, I believe the same applies to Cheney.

If you boil it all down, greed and fear empower Bush and Cheney.


P.S. It could also be a combination of those two scenarios with some members of the Congress.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:25 PM
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15. interesting points, point 2 is a very good point
but if they really believe that then why don't they impeach him, they had no problem impeaching Clinton over a perjury which
consisted of "I did not have * with that woman."
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:51 PM
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19. Several reasons
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 06:53 PM by Uncle Joe
1. It was primarily the Republicans wishing to impeach Clinton and I don't believe he was viewed as unstable as Cheney/Bush, in spite of the "Wag the Dog" media promotion.

2. I also don't believe the primary target was ever the Clintons so much as it was Al Gore, this goes to point number 1. Even as early as 1992, the media referred to Bill Clinton as Elvis and Al Gore as Eddie Haskill, Elvis was and is popular in large sections of the nation and needless to say Eddie Haskill was and is not.

"1. The mega money powers are still backing him and too many members of the Congress are throwing their lot in with them as opposed to representing the people."

As I've stated before, I believe the corporate media waged slander and libel against Al Gore primarily because he empowered the people over the media heads when he championed the Internet and I view the witch hunt against the Clintons as setting the stage for the "War Against Gore". I refer to this as the Prometheus Effect.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:38 AM
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23. Yes, but
watch the McLaughlin Group show from last week, you can download it as an MP3 if you go to their site, they are nervous about
this Iran/WW III, many of them were shaped by the policy of the Cold War era and don't find nuclear war as a viable option,
I am a baby boomer and I also recall the devastation of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima vividly and I don't think that George W.
Bush has hoards of corporations and congress people marching behind him. I think that Clinton persecution was a well thought
out proposal, and I am wondering if it's long term effect was to neuter Congress doing this current administration so that
impeachment would not be considered during Bush II.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 03:31 PM
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30. I agree in part,
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 03:43 PM by Uncle Joe
many Republicans are nervous about Iran/WWIII however a Cold War is something else, at least in regards to the increasing power of the military industrial complex; which Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address, that was manna from heaven for them.

I also believe the Clinton persecution was well thought out overkill, however I see the game as good cop bad cop, with the over all goal of corporate control of the American People. Bush comes in and takes us two steps toward fascism, if he's successful he will have a Republican successor that continues unabated on that path, if not a fall back position of their preferred Democratic Candidate who will take us one step back and I believe this pattern will repeat it self. I'm paraphrasing here but Hillary Clinton said recently she will consider taking away some of the powers Bush has given to the Presidency regarding his end run around FISA. I see this as an ongoing pattern, while the people's privacy continues to shrink to the point of becoming a relic of the past, the Presidency increasingly grows in power and becomes totally inaccessible to any form of accountability.

Al Gore uses the frog slowly boiling to death in a pot of water as an analogy toward our awareness of global warming, I see the same thing happening to our democratic republic. I believe the biggest threat to this pattern of creeping corporate control is national two way communication such as the Internet or Current T.V., also Current.com to get past the one way mega horn voice of the corporate media, their monopoly on information and their love of stereotyping the people thereby using divide and conquer for control purposes. The Internet allows the people to communicate around or through the media's filter and I believe this was the main motivation for them to keep Al Gore; the primary political champion of this technology, out of the Oval Office. The corporate media driven Clinton Witch Hunt served several purposes but I believe this was utmost on their minds.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:18 PM
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31. I agree, and I think the winning of GOP is rigged as well
Becuz I see this as their last stand, the country is becoming diverse and they are afraid that if the people can really
make the choice for leaders then they lose forever, the country is increasingly less fundie and more diverse
ethnically and tolerant of gay issues, this is the last thing they want, they want the cold war, separate but equal
and women and children are to be seen and not heard.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:28 PM
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34. I also am reminder of the biblical 7 fat years & 7 lean years
we have responsible leadership of a dem administration followed by corruption, fraud and endless giveaways during a republican
administration, the country cannot survive such boom and bust long term.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:06 PM
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21. If They Impeach, Bush** WILL Declare Martial Law
In fact, he is likely to do so as soon as Congress stops giving him everything he wants.


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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:26 AM
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22. well, we are going to just give him what he wants?
How does that work, he's already in a hurry for WW III. He continually escalates nothing is ever enough for him.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:38 PM
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29. Bush** Won't Take NO for an Answer, And He Doesn't Have To
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 12:47 PM by AndyTiedye
Congress acts like they are scared to death of Bush, because they ARE.

All of the necessary executive orders are in place.
We are only one false-flag attack away from hard fascism.

I don't think there is anything Congress can do.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:22 PM
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33. Well, I think there is
I don't believe Bush is John Wayne, according to Fox he is even afraid of horses, I think if they presented a united front
then he would fold.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:40 AM
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2. It has been happening for some time, depending on the topic.
People are mad.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:13 PM
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4. I'm hesitant to allow conservatives to blame this mess on some small faction
It wasn't exclusively neo-cons who fucked this country over. I want to see this mess tied to the ENTIRE conservative movement.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:19 PM
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6. That doesn't mean we can't frame the debate that way.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:08 PM
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11. It wasn't. But for Mr. and Mrs. suburban moderate republican..
who really don't pay that much attention to polictics, it's enough of a ominous sounding boogey-man that should scare the bejeezus out of them. Hey. It worked for the repukes when they made the term "liberal" a word that made people suspicious. We can do it too.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:27 AM
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26. Exactly.
And the stupid asses that voted them in....for the second time.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:18 PM
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5. If Rudy gets the nod, we need to frame him as a neo con. It shouldn't be
hard because much of his advisors are hard line neo cons.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:10 PM
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12. EXACTLY!!! Only, I know it. And you know it. But why aren't we hearing
it from our brain dead, lame, feckless leaders. Gawd, they make me so sick. They only person I hear hyping it is Tweety. He's giving them a gift and they're too dumb to accept it.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:11 PM
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14. Not sure if we should help the GOP pick their candidate. If we feel
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 04:12 PM by alfredo
we'd do better with Mittens, then yes, rip rudy a new asshole now. Still, timing is everything. Something like that should come close to the primaries.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 03:12 PM
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13. Ron Paul is serving his purpose
He's profoundly anti-war and he's helped lots of Rethugs jump ship re the war.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:33 AM
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28. From the movie The Fifth Element
This clip I think exemplifies the mentality of Corporations vs Humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA
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