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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:04 AM
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Sarkozy was/is a Sayan - my, my

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2578.shtml


Furl the flag (a reflection on Sarkozy's bad week)


As if his marital challenges were not enough cause for concern, "Sarco the Sayan" has suddenly emerged as the most infamous accolade of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The influential French daily Le Figaro last week revealed that the French leader once worked for -- and perhaps still does, it hinted -- Israeli intelligence as a sayan (Hebrew for helper), one of the thousands of Jewish citizens of countries other than Israel who cooperate with the katsas (Mossad case-officers).

A letter dispatched to French police officials late last winter -- long before the presidential election but somehow kept secret -- revealed that Sarkozy was recruited as an Israeli spy. The French police are currently investigating documents concerning Sarkozy's alleged espionage activities on behalf of Mossad, which Le Figaro claims dated as far back as 1983. According to the author of the message, in 1978, Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin ordered the infiltration of the French ruling Gaullist Party, Union pour un Mouvement Populaire. Originally targeted were Patrick Balkany, Patrick Devedjian and Pierre Lellouche. In 1983, they recruited the "young and promising" Sarkozy, the "fourth man."

Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky describes how sayanim function in By Way Of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer. They are usually reached through relatives in Israel. An Israeli with a relative in France, for instance, might be asked to draft a letter saying the person bearing the letter represents an organisation whose main goal is to help save Jewish people in the Diaspora. Could the French relative help in any way? They perform many different roles. A car sayan, for example, running a rental car agency, could help the Mossad rent a car without having to complete the usual documentation. An apartment sayan would find accommodation without raising suspicions, a bank sayan could fund someone in the middle of the night if needs be, a doctor sayan would treat a bullet wound without reporting it to the police.

And, a political sayan? It's rather obvious what this could mean. The sayanim are a pool of people at the ready who will keep quiet about their actions out of loyalty to "the cause," a non-risk recruitment system that draws from the millions of Jewish people outside Israel.

-long snip-

Even with his personal life in tatters, Sarkozy is obliged to hoist the French tricoleur high in the international arena. Which flag is it to be?
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are the French people awake?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:09 AM
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1. Ooops!!!
This could get interesting...VERY rapidly...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:10 AM
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:10 AM
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3. It would be more impressive if the author had his facts in check
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:10 AM by Mass
Whether the Le Figaro article exists or not (a link would have been welcome), the article is ridden with historical errors that show that the writer does not know anything about France.

The article is meaningless and ridiculous, which does not mean that Sarkozy is flawless, far from it.

French people are as awake as American people, who elected (or nearly) Bush twice, thank you!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:26 AM
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7. Here is the Le Figaro link
but I'm not really seeing it saying what the article purports it says. It never hints, for example, that that Sarkozy might still be Mossad; it says that this was an internet hoax launched before the election (so much for the idea that the story was suppressed) from an internet cafe in Val-d'Oise. What does Le Figaro think of this foolishness? Look at the final paragraph: "Et l'enquête se poursuit à la demande du parquet. Au risque de donner à cette affaire une importance qu'elle ne méritait pas."

http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20071012.FIG000000291_les_etranges_accusations_d_un_cybercorbeau.html
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:29 AM
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8. Thanks. Interesting enough. It clearly does not say what the OP says.
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:29 AM by Mass
I would have been very surprised to see Le Figaro so negative about Sarkozy, if anything.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:31 AM
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10. Yes, Le Figaro article really exists
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:33 AM by Bassic
This may be the article refered to.

It does not say what the link in the OP says though

http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20071012.FIG000000291_les_etranges_accusations_d_un_cybercorbeau.html
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:34 AM
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11. Hon, I read the article, and it does not say what the OP says. It talks about an anonymous letter
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:36 AM by Mass
whose source is unknown and that appeared during the campaign. He did not reveal that Sarkozy worked for the Mossad. He reveals that an anonymous letter appeared on the Internet claiming that. A small difference, may be.

And I know Le Figaro exists. Thank you very much.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:35 AM
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14. I know. I hit send before finishing my post.
Concentration is not me today.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:38 AM
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16. It does also say that the matter is still being investigated.
Although they have not been able to obtain any information that could indentify the letter's author.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:42 AM
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18. Well, I would assume that if somebody wrote an anonymous letter about Bush on the same theme,
the police would investigate, would it not? It is not clear what the police is investigating, and my guess it is who the writer of the article is.

However, the point is that the OP is misleading. Le Figaro does not say Sarko is or was an Israeli spy. It says there is an anonymous letter saying that.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:55 AM
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19. It does.
It's a bit poorly written though. As you said, it is unclear what the police is investigating, and what it is not investigating.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:12 AM
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4. Kamehameha! nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:16 AM
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5. Yeah that's what I thought too...
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:18 AM by YOY
I can't wait for the 10 episode long final fight against Putin...He might even go to legendary...

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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:40 AM
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17. heh... I used to love watching Draggin-on Z
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:13 PM
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21. sayan? thats the first thing i though of too.


picture of sarkozy in oozaru form
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:17 AM
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6. But he's not a Jewish citizen of another country
He's not Jewish at all. He had one Jewish grandparent. He apparently has no Israeli relatives. Why would the Mossad even identify him as a possibility?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:30 AM
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9. May I suggest that you use a translator to read Le Figaro's article?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:35 AM
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13. I didn't use anything - the article came from OnLineJournal

get mad at them if you want
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:37 AM
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15. And the article is incorrect in what it reports. Period.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:35 AM
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12. So, it turns out this article is
almost entirely nonsense and the source you use is dishonest. Perhaps you should read Le Figaro's take on this.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:06 PM
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20. OnLineJournal is not dishonest - you can't say that


prove it
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:14 PM
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22. Read the article they use to make their case
really it's that simple. Read the Le Figaro article.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 12:31 PM
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23. Here is what the OP says
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 12:34 PM by Mass

The influential French daily Le Figaro last week revealed that the French leader once worked for -- and perhaps still does, it hinted


Here is Le Figaro article: http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20071012.FIG000000291_les_etranges_accusations_d_un_cybercorbeau.html

Note the Figaro does not reveal anything except the fact that AN ANONYMOUS EMAIL SAYS THAT. Not quite the same thing.

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