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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:16 PM
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Apple to track iPhone purchases -- cash not allowed
Cash Isn't King: Apple Limits iPhone Purchases

The company is now accepting only credit or debit card payments for the devices so they can track who purchases the phone, according to one Apple Store employee.

Elizabeth Montalbano and Steven Schwankert, IDG News Service


People looking to walk into an Apple retailer and buy an iPhone with cash will be out of luck. The company is now accepting only credit or debit card payments for the devices so they can track who purchases the phone, according to an employee at the Apple Store in New York's SoHo neighborhood.

The new policy is Apple's attempt to prevent people from purchasing and then unlocking and reselling iPhones, a situation that has been a problem for the company. Apple won't let anyone without a credit card or debit card in their name purchase iPhones, according to an unidentified Apple Store employee in a phone interview.

"We need to track the purchases of the iPhone we have people buying the phones, unlocking the phones and selling them," she said.

A report by the Associated Press last week said Apple was limiting the purchases to two devices and allowing users to purchase them only with credit or debit cards. According to store employees, the two-device limit has always been in place, but the noncash policy is new.

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139041-c,iphone/article.html
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:19 PM
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1. NOT taking cash for a purchase...I think that's pretty much illegal isn't it?
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 03:19 PM by truebrit71
You HAVE to take cash...(Unless it's like thousands of dollars)...:shrug:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:22 PM
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2. it says right on the money...
"This note is legal tender for all debts public and private."

:shrug:
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:29 PM
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7. But this wouldn't be a debt,
because while you're waiting in line, you don't have a debt at all. Moreover, legally they're not the ones offering a contract--you are. They can turn down the contract if they don't like payment terms.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:23 PM
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3. No its not... private businesses can ask for what ever they want
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 03:25 PM by FreeState
For the government to only take credit would be - but private businesses can demand what ever they want (depending on the state):

http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml#q1

QUESTION: I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

ANSWER: The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:26 PM
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5. The bus or subway is a good case in point.
You need a token. Cash won't get you to the next station.

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:27 PM
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6. Unless its Government run
then they have to accept cash for the tokens. You use a token to get on but you can buy it with cash :)
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:46 PM
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8. But you could demand to be paid in chickens...which could be paid for in cash
I understand your point, but mine was simply that the cash transaction is for the token. You can buy them at other places. If a vendor wants to sell you some tokens for a few chickens, he can do that and you'll get to ride the bus. But you cannot ride the bus without the token. The bus driver has no way of dealing with your change...his machine only takes tokens, thus you cannot ride.

If you can trade a chicken or a bong hit or an iTunes card for a handful of tokens, you can ride, cash-free (provided that you acquired all those things without the use of cash). But no way, no how, are you riding that bus with cash for your fare.

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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:05 PM
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15. I have paid cash for the token/metro card.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:23 PM
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4. No, you don't. Most Internet retailers do not take cash.
Cash is legal tender, but someone can say they will only sell something for two horses if they want to.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:50 PM
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9. Tracking their customers... Who knew their 1984 commercial would be consumed in self irony.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:57 PM
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12. Ha, ha, you are so right! n/t
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:56 PM
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26. Touche!
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:13 PM
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30. yeah, david's a goliath nt
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:52 PM
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10. Must be nice to be so great you can tell your customers
to fuck off. I was thinking about buying a Mac, but I think I'll go with a company that wants my business not one that thinks it's doing me a favor.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:10 PM
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18. I personally tend to go with the product I prefer.
I don't think the company is my friend.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:35 PM
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32. They have a contract with AT&T. They may not have a choice about
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 05:37 PM by alfredo
pursuing their policy. Without seeing the contract with AT&T I can't really comment on the rightness of their actions. Generally Jobs gets the deal he wants, but sometimes he has to give the other party something in return. Protecting the lock in could be part of their contract.


BTW, Leopard has been hacked to run on PC's. Wifi doesn't work, but give them time.

Apple is making over $800 on each iPhone because of their contract with AT&T, so they do have incentive to protect the lock in.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:25 PM
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45. My iphone didn't cost $800
How is Apple making that much off of each phone? Are they getting a cut of each monthly bill?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:33 PM
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47. They get a piece of the 2 yr contract from AT&T.
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CT_Progressive Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:52 PM
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11. Not taking cash is illegal.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:58 PM
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27. No it isn't - see above N/T
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:59 PM
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13. Apple does not believe
that people should have a "choice"

Think Differently?

The Cult Of Apple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9gdx_LIAc

:)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:21 PM
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19. WOW I am seriously missing something
my apple tatoo

:-)

Damn just becuase WIN OS does not work so well

By the way, now I get it...

And those people in the video are as screwed up as the folks who have NIke corporate logos et al
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:04 PM
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14. Collecting User Data to Share with the Other Component of the Plan - AT&T
You see, it makes it much easier to establish a survelliance contact grid on the Total Information Network if they know who purchased the devices.

Say "hello" to your overlords and thank Apple by buying your iPhone on eBay or second-hand. Better yet, find one that it hacked and say "fuck you" to your overlords.

J
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:07 PM
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16. If they don't take cash, that's their problem.
I have no plans on buying that overhyped piece of electronics anyhow.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:07 PM
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17. Wow-another step toward a cashless society. NEVER thought Apple would be the one to do this.
:thumbsdown:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:22 PM
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20. Whatever
Fix your shitty G series. Tanks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:23 PM
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21. At least here in cali they are going to run afoul of the law
sooner rather than later

I understand why they are doing that... but they are going to]

That said... it just may be AT&T behind that little cute thing

Cingular and other providers ask for the credit card when you sign for the service
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:59 PM
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28. No they don't
I have an iphone and they didn't ask me for a credit card. Good thing since I don't have one.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Well Cingular used to
and I am in Cali too
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:23 PM
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22. the iphone is a piece of shit..
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:33 PM
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23. The iPhone could be bad
for your health.

Greenpeace Targets Apple’s iPhone
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/10/15/greenpeace-targets-apples-iphone/#more-38

Apple Faces Potential Environmental lawsuit
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/15/ceh/index.php

The Center for Environmental Health on Monday said that it has given Apple 60-days legal notice -- a step required by California law before a lawsuit is launched. The action is based on the report by environmental group Greenpeace, released earlier today, that found hazardous materials in Apple’s iPhone.

The Greenpeace tests revealed chemicals that included “phthalates” in the vinyl plastic earphone wiring at levels that are prohibited in young children’s toys in San Francisco and the European Union (EU).

:(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. I love mine
Best phone and neatest gadget I have ever owned.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:39 PM
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24. and all so people can say:
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 04:39 PM by SoCalDem
"..and then he was like... "
"..what do you want for dinner..."
".. This message is for Mr so and so.."

or surf the net microscopically while one tries to avoid hitting the car in front of them..

wheeeeeeee:)
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:27 PM
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31. Speak for yourself, I was just discussing our society's many existential crises...
over my cell phone... for instance like how we are exchanging cultural depth for abbreviated breadth (EXCDFAB for short) - its like a total bummer! TTYL!
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 04:41 PM
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25. No cash?! Sounds like a brilliant money making idea!
:sarcasm:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:26 PM
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42. How many iPhone purchases for personal use do you think are made with cash these
anyway?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 05:39 PM
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34. Trust the Blessed CORPORATION!
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lander Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:07 PM
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35. Mmkay, two things.
1. Greenpeace's report has been at least partially debunked.
2. The debit-or-credit-card-only policy was requested of Apple by AT&T. In the UK, the iPhone costs £269, which is $552. Thousands of iPhones have been bought at $399 and resold overseas for slightly more -- $450 or so -- but still less than the price in the UK. Since AT&T does not offer iPhone service in the UK, it is they who stand to lose money on the deal.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:08 PM
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36. Thanks I smelled AT&T in this one
mostly that is our carrier (thoguht cingular)
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lander Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:23 PM
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40. Just to clarify:
I don't own an iPhone, and I'm not an AT&T customer. Felt I ought to get that out there. :)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 10:27 PM
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46. Why would anyone in the UK want an iphone of there is no service plan?
:shrug:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:14 PM
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37. cash is irrelevant anyway.
It costs the same so what does it matter?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:20 PM
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38. And yet Microsoft is the one who got busted for monopolistic practices.
They must've missed a payment. :eyes:

I mean come on, I like Apple, but they have really gone to great lengths to alienate their customers in the last few years.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:22 PM
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39. I guess I didn't see how this creates a monopoly.
:shrug:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:25 PM
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41. How could anyone not?
It's pretty easy - by making it cash free to buy an iPhone, Apple can track their customers and make sure that they only use AT&T instead of a competing provider.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:28 PM
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43. I think it's fair that Apple have an iPhone monopoly.
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 06:29 PM by Basileus Basileon
Their product, their network rules. You don't like it? You can buy from one of their many, many excellent (and successful) competitors. It would only be a monopoly if Apple/AT&T were to drive all other smart-phone manufacturers and service providers out of business.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:28 PM
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44. Actualy, they can only use AT&T to begin with - that's the exclusive contract.
But it's not a monopoly. A monopoly is a persistent situation where there is only one provider of a product or service in a particular market.

The iPhone is just one of a variety of "SmartPhones".
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 11:37 PM
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48. This is the future, corporations will use technology to monitor what you do with the items you buy
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 11:39 PM by TheUniverse
What ever happened to "you buy it, its yours?" Soon everything will be a license or rental, and you will own nothing. The corporations will own everything. The corporations can tell you what you can and can't do with your items, because you don't own them even though you paid for them.
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