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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:58 AM
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Employment Report Shows 166,000 Gain in Jobs....BUT
Edited on Fri Nov-02-07 10:58 AM by spanone
ARE YOU READY?.....But a separate survey showed that fewer Americans were employed over all last month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/business/02cnd-econ.html?hp
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 10:59 AM
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1. Something is really hinky here
but why should we expect truth in this area while they lie in every other area? :shrug: :shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:03 AM
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2. and 166,000 new jobs, but unemployment rate stayed the same....hmmmmm
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:06 AM
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3. It means that more people went off of payrolls
If you're unemployed for over a certain amount of time (I think it's 12 months), you basically drop off the face of the earth according to DoL statistics.

So, if you have been unemployed for 13 months, you no longer count as being unemployed. You're just out of the labor force.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:14 AM
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4. It is my understanding that to just meet the requirements of new jobs
for people just going to work would require 200,000 new jobs a month. 166,000 just doesn't cut it. Part of the myth of a jobless recovery.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 11:15 AM
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5. Amazing
how they form the numbers to always make it look good. I've been looking for a job for 2 months - anybody here hiring? Will work for......money??
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 05:30 PM
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6. Remember the tension between the household survey and
the monthly jobs report. There's almost always a discrepancy.

The former is just a survey. It catches the self-employed, which would otherwise be less visible. It's also more attuned to what happens with small businesses between months when employer reports are due.

The jobs report has to make estimates because not every employer has to file every month. That's the reason for adjusting the monthly job reports retroactively.

In the last 4-5 years, the household survey's pretty much always said there were more jobs created than the job report; this is usually taken as evidence that the household survey is wrong. Now that the household survey shows there were fewer jobs created (if I can refer to "negative job creation" that way), I assume it'll suddenly be taken as the gold standard. Unless, of course, it shows more jobs created next month.
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