Strike "Waterboarding" From Your Vocabulary - PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION

Bolo Boffin

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Fri Nov-02-07 09:55 PM
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Strike "Waterboarding" From Your Vocabulary - PARTIAL DROWNING INTERROGATION

http://thekenoshakid.blogspot.com/2007/11/frame-du-jour.html

If framing works for the Republicans, it can work for us as well. Waterboarding is something you do at the beach. The CIA has been using Partial Drowning Interrogation on people. That's torture.

Judge Mukasey can't say that Partial Drowning Interrogation is torture and illegal. What's the matter with him?

Make it stick!

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cali

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Fri Nov-02-07 09:57 PM
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1. great idea, but why does it have to be "partial drowning"

why not forced drowning interrogation?

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Steven_S

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Fri Nov-02-07 09:59 PM
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2. Or maybe Controlled Drowning....

would work as well.

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Bolo Boffin

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Fri Nov-02-07 10:01 PM
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4. "Controlled" sounds too evenhanded, IMO n/t

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Bolo Boffin

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Fri Nov-02-07 10:00 PM
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3. The same way Repukes turned a medical procedure into "partial birth abortion"

I'd love to argue motivations for terminology with them.

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tekisui

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Fri Nov-02-07 10:22 PM
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5. Forced Drowning/ Resuscitation

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Spazito

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Fri Nov-02-07 10:23 PM
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6. I don't know why semantics need be used at all....

just keep calling it what it is torture, illegal torture.

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Bolo Boffin

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Sat Nov-03-07 04:50 PM
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10. Semantics do make a difference in how an issue is perceived.

One of the most diabolical changes of framing was the estate tax being flipped into the "death tax." Unlike death, hardly anyone is subject to the estate tax, and if it's hitting people it was never meant to hit, then we can adjust the rates and floor of the tax by law.

But with message discipline, the Repukes changed the basic way Americans speak about the estate tax. And in doing so, they've managed to almost abolish it.

Semantics is at the heart of politics, and "waterboarding" is getting a skate in the American psyche because it sounds so benign. Call it by a more accurate description of what's happening, and people will turn on the technique.

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Spazito

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Sat Nov-03-07 05:22 PM
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11. What "rewording" something like waterboarding does, imo, is....

take away from the original issue, that being torture is illegal and into what words are being used to describe torture.

A good example of how harmful that is this: the bush cabal use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" which they coined to turn the debate from torture and into a debate about what that means.

Torture is torture, waterboarding is defined as torture which is illegal, both by US law and international law.

Don't refer to it as anything but torture, the repubs can use whatever terminology they will, the American people understand what torture is, they don't have to have that word interpreted for them, imo.

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k8conant

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Fri Nov-02-07 10:25 PM
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7. Possible Drowning Grilling

The point to put a person on the brink of drowning to grill him into making up answers.

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RaleighNCDUer

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Fri Nov-02-07 11:19 PM
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8. Whatever you call it, one thing it is not is 'simulated drowning'.

Nothing 'simulated' about it - it is the actual, early stage of drowning, and if continued it will cause death.

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Bolo Boffin

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Sat Nov-03-07 04:45 PM
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9. Absolutely.

There is no "play pretend" there.

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