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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:04 AM
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"... I got my marching orders from the President of the United States."
"I was told by the SECDEF that he wanted me back in Washington, D.C., every week to brief him." - Erie County Judge Michael E. Dunlavey,retired two-star general in the U.S. Army Reserve.

Dunlavey was in charge of interrogations at Guantanamo and states he reported directly to President Bush and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The book, "Administration of Torture: A Documentary Record from Washington to Abu Ghraib and Beyond," relies on government documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act to trace the development of what the authors claim was prisoner abuse and torture that emerged in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. SNIP

Authors Jameel Jaffer and Amrit Singh, lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union, seek to link official military and civilian policies to the emergence of alleged prisoner abuse, torture and death in places such as the Guantanamo Bay camp in Cuba, the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and elsewhere.

"The Bush administration has professed a commitment to democracy and human rights and claimed solidarity with those who struggle against tyranny. But these documents show unambiguously that the administration has adopted some of the methods of the most tyrannical regimes," the authors write.

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/NEWS02/711020374/-1/NEWS




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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:12 AM
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1. Oops, there goes the Saint Ronnie defense for Junior
Can't blame the torturing on a few overzealous privates now, can he?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:16 AM
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2. Well he can try. He has NEVER accepted responsibility for ANYTHING in his whole miserable life.
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307 MMS Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:03 PM
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8. Accountability
...is not in the Bush family way. This guy has taken "fuck it up" to the Peter Principle level. So sad that he and the real (p)rez Cheney are STILL there!!! WTF!?!?!?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 03:11 PM
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9. Sorry, but this admin is proof that the Peter Principle can be circumvented
All of these cretins have failed in the past, yet were still advanced.

Bush never succeeded at anything.
Cheney was a Nixonian for cryin' out loud.
Condi was in charge of National Security for 9/11.

There all a bunch of fuck-ups, and yet they still get promoted. It's the new American way. :shrug:
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307 MMS Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:54 PM
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12. Exactly
"to your level of incompetence". That's what the PP's about.
They've all gone past "their" level of competence. If they ever had any. Yeah, I know Cheney was a Nixonian...along with the convicted Abrams, et al. And, it's not the "new American way". Been goin' on for years. Just look at the resumes! For cryin' out LOUD.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:20 AM
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3. Nauseating
:puke:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 12:40 PM
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7. But hardly surprising. recommended
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:53 AM
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4. Frontline "The Torture Question"
Show from October 2005
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Transcript link
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/etc/script.html


"In "The Torture Question", FRONTLINE traces the history of how decisions made in Washington in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11 -- including an internal administration battle over the Geneva Conventions -- led to a robust interrogation policy that laid the groundwork for prisoner abuse in Afghanistan; Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; and Iraq...

"The Torture Question" traces the aggressive development of the administration's interrogation policy in the aftermath of 9/11, where the push for "actionable intelligence" led to authorization for interrogators to strip detainees, degrade prisoners with sexual humiliation techniques and use dogs for intimidation..."



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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 11:56 AM
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5. it IS just a few bad apples
and they all hang out in the west wing
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 12:34 PM
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6. k&r
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 04:19 PM
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10. So, let's just approve "I don't know if waterboarding is torture" Mukasey
as AG right now. Who needs those pesky war crimes trials anyway? :eyes:
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:44 PM
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11. If Bush/Rummy ordered torture at Gitmo, then they probably ordered it at Abu Gharaib
That would not be a stretch and yet BushCO consistently blustered that Abu Gharaib was a low level problem. No higher ups were ever prosecuted for it. They put a lid on that one because, IMHO, Abu Gharaib was MUCH WORSE and most likely did involve innocent women and children, as Seymour Hersch has alluded to.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 05:55 PM
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13. So when is the war crimes tribunal convening?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 06:37 PM
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14. One can safely believe the exact opposite of anything Bush says.
Or, more accurately, one can understand that he refers to himself when he issues warnings about the evil-doings and intentions of others.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-03-07 10:03 PM
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15. Bush Approved Torture To Find Mythical WMDs
It's obvious that Bush and Cheney were getting desperate to find the mythical WMDs that were use as justification for the Iraq invasion and occupation.

Without WMDs there rationale became impotent and they became war criminals.
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