"Red State" haters, you have the luxury of living in a "Blue State"

Did it occur to you we have to fight even harder against republicans because we're outnumbered? That we may heve been born here and don't have the luxury of being able to move elsewhere? That maybe your rails against "RED STATERS" hold no water because it's YOU who have lumped us in with the rest of the populace within the borders of our state? That maybe we pull a little more weight than you do because we have to work THAT MUCH harder against our opposition, as ignorant as they may be? That maybe the same "Red States" aren't "red" any more?

I might also add that certain people might stop bashing certain red-state "DINOs" because they don't understand the compromises we need to make for any Democrat to get elected in places where a lot of people think Democrats are, well I don't want to use any derogatory terms here. Yeah...

but the "red state" stuff is really becoming tiresome. If we were "red", for example, we WOULDN'T BE POSTING ON THIS FORUM.

red state, if he/she is a disgrace like Ben Nelson of Nebraska?

He votes with the Republics on just about everything.

Maybe someone from Nebraska can explain his usefulness, because there are Republican I like more than him.

he empowers the progressives that way. Even if that's the only good they do, then if the choice is the DINO or a Republican, might as well go with the DINO.

the way he votes, it would personally be excruciating to vote for the man.

:grr:

same category as that war mongering bigot, Nelson of Nebraska.

He's Satan.

I think he's arguably worse than Lie-berman...and that's saying a lot.

Nelson at least has the excuse of being from a Red State.
DiFi does not.

what can you do?

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Sorry.

:rofl:

"Apparently you hate a lot of people for no reason. The OP was garbage and the writer deserves a good slapping."

You talking to me?

:P ;)

Call back later when I chill out from this towering rage.

I'll call ya back. :D

All the states were purple.

But then Sugar Smack, we're just stupid too because we live in a so-called "red state" and don't know better to move. :eyes:

purple. OK is pretty red, and in my state over 60% are pro-impeachment. We're pretty blue.

Vermont is pretty blue. But even California has red areas. I find it stupid to differentiate between two states as red/blue.

It is true that when you look at a color coded map Oklahoma is going to look a pretty deep red, and Vermont is going to look to be a pretty deep blue. There are a significant number of people in every state that do not fit in the trend, so you are going to get a purple tint in every single state although in some areas the tint may be more noticeable than in others.

:) Thanks for your really good posts, btw.

There's the whole "just pack up and move" thing. What? Have my ears gone bad? WHAT? My family founded a county in this state. Why should WE move? To look good?

I ain't leavin'. :) I like where I live. I like my house, my job, my friends, my family, etc. Oh, and I don't have money or really the inclination to just up and leave this state.

Why don't all those "blue staters" start moving here and make it more blue?

we wouldn't even have this kind of judgement.

Than in Fresno, California. :P

Yeah, Fresno, California is the actual home of Free Republic. :puke:

Maybe it should be "red counties" or "red harrumphs". :o Or red towns or burroughs or such!

with ten bumperstickers arguing their way of life and raising two boys to challenge republican thinking. challenging people thru out our lives on fundamentalist christianity and the texas way.... bah hahaha. ya, like a walk in the park for those speaking out in calif. my boys have often made comments about how much easier it would be for them if they lived in a blue state. but the upside, or higher in it,... sure has taught them haow to debate and stand firm, speak out in respect and be brave.

Gold. It's NOT EASY.

I come to DU for equanimity and brother-sisterhood, and progress. But when other Dems start labeling me a "Red Stater" synonymous with "Bush-voting-countrymen" I always get a little ill. I'm not hypersensitive, but I've seen a few too many more recent references than I'm comfortable with.;-) You know?

We have your blue-blooded back :)

You're a freaking STAR. :patriot: *grins*

DU has also seen some sniping from red staters.

We have been called "stupid" for not selling our California homes and moving to some low-cost red state and retiring.

People whose homes were burning in the recent fires were called all sorts of things here.

:grr: :nuke: Oh, I KNOW it goes both ways, darlin. You don't have to tell me. When someone heaps criticism and whatever else onto a person who suffers, saying they deserve it, I really want to kick him/her in the shin.

Oh, BTW, WHO LOVES YA?

:hi: from a fellow "red-stater." :thumbsup:

(Btw, I saw on your profile that you're from Chapel Hill - my mom went to college there, and it's a beautiful town! :hi: )

I like Chapel Hill a lot. I grew up here and we seem to be strictly progressive. That's why people who claim this "red state" stuff are becoming annoying to me. Why not "Red city" or "Red Province" or "Red county"? GAWD.

from a blue state - CA - with a republican governor and their fair share of 20 percenters. my brother among them. and i just got a job in chapel hill.

i'm a liberal democrat in a red state. i've been proselytized twice by very nice people who did not waste a nanosecond considering that it is disrespectful to assume that their spiritual beliefs are more valid than mine, or worse, because i'm not "religious," to assume that i have no spiritual beliefs and consequently should be "saved." had a really pleasant conversation with a stranger down by the lake ruined by his senseless bigotry. got a letter from my son's high school informing me that it is the law here in NC that "abstinence" be taught in public school (i asked my 15-year-old if he wanted to take the class after sharing my belief that a more realistic sex education course, covering STD's, pregnancy rates, and yes, contraceptive options, would be more useful. he opted out of the class).

on the other hand, no one has ripped off my DU bumpersticker, or my dove-ribbon that says to support the troops by bringing them home. and as i drove down the drive on my way home, i observed on the car ahead of me: "worst.president.ever."

i am curious about what prompted the OP. i didn't know i was being hated on just for living in a red state?

by some on DU, those of us living in "Red States" all think a certain way. We're lumped in with republicans, which I find to be extremely counterproductive. Even to this day, anyone living in a "Red State" is being labelled by some at DU to be ignorant and laughable. I'm also recalling how much confrontation I've had to put up with just to get the message across.

I live in Kansas in a rural red area. I have a big truck covered in anti Bush** and Code Pink and GLBT Equality stickers. The one and only time I have had something happen was someone who keyed my EVOLVE fish off my new truck and that was years ago. Red state? Bah! I love my home and have committed to hard work to change it.

At this point I would be bored to death to live in a place where everyone agreed with me. I can hold my own here against all odds but the very best thing you can do while living where you are is to convince the people that they actually believe in the Liberal issues. They are always surprised and one or two will change the way they vote suddenly and more will think about it and perhaps eventually change.

Religion is the hardest. It gets cemented here by the fact that in the small, rural areas everything social comes right out of the church. The only time I am ever at the church is for community events because that is the only place they ever happen. People forget or don't know what it is like in these places and if the churches are very RW then the people will be because there is no other influence and they all support each other. It is very difficult to break into. I am just now getting my foot in the door since I have just moved here but am known because I have farmed here for over 10 years. I do have my work cut out for me :).

Thanks for that. I had been a little frustrated yesterday because I'd seen one too many of many "typical red state bullshit" responses to something non-political and stupid that happened in a red state. I mean the instances themselves had NOTHING to do with politics, just backwardness and stupid behavior.

:toast:

I was out all day yesterday and last night my husband was in a 5 car pile up on the interstate and we had to deal with that. I missed what you are talking about. (he is OK but the car is dead)

It is all so stupid. We work our asses off here in red state hell. It isn't really hell but it is certainly not a luxury like it seems to be in some blue state communities.

All the changes that can be seen in the "red" areas are partly from hard hard work by us and partly because Bush** is such a fuck up.

Hang in, when I see the stupid stuff about any "red" state I will try to jump in like I do when it is my state. We have to stick together because it seems harder to get our message out to our own than it is to the righties around us.

I'm sorry to hear about the accident. I'm hoping your husband'll be okay in the long run.

Thanks so much for your post. :hug:

so far so good. He is scheduled for physical therapy for his neck so with ice packs etc. he should be fine. Thanks for the hug, here is one right back to you! :hug: :)

I have learned. Pick on the red farmers. They are all Republican voting Socialists. It cracks me up but they will think about what you say. Farmers really are for the most part the "salt of the earth" but they spend their Sundays getting preached to about the evil of Liberals and their work days in their tractor with Rush, Hannity and the others. They may not all be very educated so all it takes is to present them with the argument. Then they will spend their tractor time thinking about the two sides. They are freaking socialists most of them, it will work out.

If I was in trouble there is nobody I would rather go to than the farm community. Talk about welfare programs....they have the best but they don't know that is what it is.

:rofl:

i beleive it is bakersfield? the most conservative place in all of calif, lol

and the talk radio here...sheesh :)

And don't get me started on Oildale here, that place is to the klan what utah is to the mormons.

:cry:

She looks all nice and such, but that red hair is making me re-think this marriage thing....

:rofl:

her do 'fore the rest of us cue up Carmina Burana & come at ya with torches & pitchforks. :P

may keep re-electing the same ol' swine, but my beighbors to the south have elected some damn, damn fine Reps in Grijalva and Pastor.

And we gave you Mo Udall, Raul Castro, and Bruce Babbitt.

As you say--they are all purple states.

I'm really getting tired of the divisive bullshit I see here sometimes regarding something I can hardly control.:)

That's gotta count for something.

to be one, thanks to him.

(Psst: rumor has it he's refused to sing the National Anthem (damn pinko Commi--er, I mean Canuck!) :rofl:

He's very vocal about his opposition to GWB and the war, even in this hard red area (the state is bluish purple if you don't count the Phoenix area).

Maybe spot or two

There is none so Blue as those who must fight the redness! You have to be ready to be confronted at any time. You must seriously take into account that you or your property might be at risk from some disgruntled rushbot..

Those of us safe & cozy in a blue sea of blue should always remember that if push comes to shove, our Generals will be those who have "engaged" on a regular basis!!

I have my opinions & "biases" and whatever plastered all over it. Cheap fucking vehicle and I love it. But you want to talk about getting keyed, or worse: being endangered in traffic just in the name of tryin to spread the word? Hah. :pals:

live around us but it's sad we get hassled on D.U.

I'm not moving. My family is here, my husband's very good job is here. We have a home we love on 1 1/2 acres of beautiful land. Nope, if DUers have a problem with me living in a red state that's their problem.

and calling me some kind of "Red Stater" is really easy. Cheap. It severs the ties, and it cheapens the political process.

Here it 'tis. Visit this thread and rejoice.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2200114

Thank you!:D

They're just using the same color dichotomy - Red/Blue.

Approval: If more than half approve of Bush, it's RED, if less than half approve of Bush, it's BLUE.

Voting: If the state went to Bush electoral college-wise or general electorate-wise, it's RED, if it went to Kerry, it's BLUE.

Based on APPROVAL ratings, there are no more RED states - in other words, in no state in the U.S. does Bush have higher than 50% rating.

And you're right, we have to fight even harder to replace our representative (that crook John Dootlittle (R))because we're outnumbered by Republics.

But I don't take offense to people saying I live in a red county because it is what it is.

someone born & bred in a "Red State" is somehow lacking in terms of humanity, education or democracy because of it.

And fuck John Doolittle.

To think, I moved from Woolsey's district to Bono's ugh!

It is understood that the Democrats in that state are not included, especially if they are here. It's just a short cut method of expression, no one using it here intends to insult any Democrats who live in any red state. Why would they?

But it's really a lot like banging my head against a wall. We don't need snarky attitudes when what we do is FIGHT for our country, be it bumperstickers or flyers or vocal ability or typing ability or anything. There are people here who must simply understand that we in the "Red States" (read: ignorant/plus context) are working really hard to shut down that notion. And to progress.

And may I add...

Check out all the red counties in California. Bush won I think 38 out of 58 counties here. So even in the so-called Blue states, there's a LOT of work to be done.



(And as an aside, see all those Blue counties down along the river in Texas? More democrat voters by percent than San Francisco... )

*SIGH* I am damned glad I live in CH, but I'll tell ya, going to some places in NC ain't easy.

It's a gross oversimplification that does nothing constructive. It serves only to divide.

Good to have you here. Thank you for that.

Feinstein...she disgusts me. Anyway, I'll have to rant about that on another thread. I think it's ridiculous that anyone here should ever bash a fellow DU'er for living in a red state. I was fortunate enough to be able to move to CA from TX but if I hadn't come into a little money I don't know that I would have been able to afford it. Some people like their states...even if they are red and some people have no choice but to live in a red state (i.e. work, can't afford to move,family obligations, etc.) There are blue areas in red states and red areas in blue states. We really need to be careful and if anything treat the red state folks among us with extra care.

*eeeeeeeeeeeee!* I love you!:loveya: :applause:

As others have said, it's a total oversimplification anyway... I moved from MA (blue as blue can be) to OH (wickedly purple). And you know what? Now i think my vote counts that much more! A Dem vote in a "red state" is in some ways more IMPORTANT that a Dem vote in Massachusetts. You live in the areas where we have the most to gain! We'll be able to say "Look! Even in (insert previously red state here) the Dems are garnering X% of the vote." In my mind, that is where the most important progress will be made. It's also where the most influential conversations can be had... rather than "preaching to the choir," you have the opportunity to really make a difference. Not that i don't love Massachusetts, but i could vote for Mickey Mouse there and it wouldn't make a whit of difference.

Sorry for the ramble... blame the DayQuil :crazy:

It's weird the way we maneuver. This is my experience: I bring up Global Warming as a sort of litmus test. Then, if the other person latches on, I have it made. If not, I have to find another way to maneuver. Gross, eh?

I'm just curious... very interesting, all of it. I tend to use sarcasm pretty frequently... lefties generally pick up on it and laugh, whereas right-wingers might think i'm serious (and therefore not be offended). Another "litmus test" of sorts i guess!

See, I see literal-mindedness a lot and I sometimes don't know how to confront it because it makes me apoplectic.

Staring and blinking sometimes does the trick; ie: shuts whomever up. :pals:

and then apologize for your Tourrettes

:rofl:

:hug:

California, New York and Pennsylvania each have more Bush voters than North Carolina does, and North Carolina has more Kerry voters than Connecticut and Maine combined.

Tell em tell em TELL 'EM!!!!!!!!! Anyway, I've NEVER seen you use "Red State" as some kind of perjorative. :D

Maine's population is inching towards a million and a half now (whoopee!), and it's a barely blue state to begin with. It's not hard to have more blue voters than Maine, even when Maine is combined with CT.

Well if you want to be more precise I'm in the blue part of a purple state. We have useless shits for Senators (Kyl and McCain :puke:) but our governor is a Dem and she's awesome. Still it was a real culture shock, to suddenly see Bush/NRA/Repuke stickers on cars. I'm in a college town (Tempe) so it's nice and liberal here, but venturing out is kinda scary.

There are good people and assholes in every state. Hell, I was born and raised in what is one of the bluest if not the bluest city in America (that would be NYC), and fundie Bible thumpers harassed me in high school to the point where I dropped out. Yet, at a rest stop in NC, I met a group of folks who complimented me on the anti-Bush stickers on my partner's car.

The thing about painting with a broad brush is that more often than not, you splatter paint in your face. :hug:

I've agreed with a lot of people about a lot of things here, but my temper flares when people dismiss all southerners or talk in terms of personal responsibility with regard to other people's votes! :hug: :hug: Y'all come to NC, anytime.

as it was in purple. And thanks for the stats. They make it all the better. :D

We don't have the "luxury" to move either! Where did you get your pile of anti-Blue State stereotypes?

Stop with the chip on your shoulder.

"That maybe we pull a little more weight than you do because we have to work THAT MUCH harder against our opposition, as ignorant as they may be?"

I've been a liberal since before I could vote. You don't know who you're talking to. Stop bitching. You have absolutely no case.

So you hate people from Blue States. Grow up. There isn't going to be another civil war, though it sounds like you want one. It's okay to hate Blue State people nowadays. :eyes:

Who provoked you? Did you step on a thumbtack this morning?

Your whole post is one huge straw man argument, and you can put it where the sun doesn't shine.

The point is that there are lot of people who live in "blue states" who use that to sound morally superior to those who live in the so-called "red states".

I grew up in a Blue State and I am tired of this bullshit. I don't talk like that, and don't you dare put words in people's mouths.

Gee, there are some people who don't like you, somewhere? What are the odds?

So he just lashed out at all Blue State people and made us all look the same?

Fuck that. You're an idiot for supporting him.

I got the point loud and clear. Hatred of Blue State people.

Hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite.

Go vote Republican if you feel that sorry for yourself. You don't know what Blue State people's lives are like. You don't even live there.

I'm saying there are people here on this site, who have an air of superiority. SOME PEOPLE. NOT ALL. NOT YOU. But some people.

Hatred of blue state people? :rofl:

OMG!!!!:rofl: Bless your heart.

:grr: :nuke:
























:loveya: :yourock: :rofl:

"There isn't going to be another civil war, though it sounds like you want one."

Tell her I'm female, too, willya please?:D

I don't hate people from the Blue States. Go ahead. Quote me. Try. I was reacting to "red states" being misunderstood as republican and misrepresented that way. Are you hard of reading or something? You want me to spell it out for ya? NO, A-G-A-I-N I have no hatred toward people in blue states.


Have a blessed day.:sarcasm:

So shove it, you hypocrite.

What provoked this whiny bullshit anyway? Why the huge generalizations?

I am so tired of this shit I'd move to Canada tomorrow if I could afford it.

:rofl:

:hi:

Talk tonight or tomorrow some time? ;)

:yourock: :hug: :loveya:

Hey, I'd have responded the other night to your thread but I couldn't post in GD. :loveya: :hug: :yourock:

No worries darlin, hope you're well. Saw the TarHeels won!! YAY :hug:

Iggles-Cowboys game is about to start!!


:loveya: lotsnlotsnlotsnlots :D:D:D:D

Or basketball. Or synch-swimming. :silly: *love*

But I'm not making that mistake with the Flyers eh

:muchosmoocho: :)

And, deep down, though it is hard to have compassion of the 'red' staters who do support this insanity, I think
we all know it is because of a lack of education & ignorance. Or, they were dropped on their heads at birth.

:P

See where that got me?;)

Hillary: 50 states in 2008.

:spank: You get the paddle with the holes drilled in.

:evilgrin:

I'd love for them to try and come talk some sense into the people I work with. Ha!
Good luck with that.

I don't know where you currently are, but I'm in Chapel Hill. *sympsthy to ya,darlin* if your hospital work is innundated with republicans. My work is, too, but I'm lucky enough to be who I am off-time.:hug: ;-)

But most of the staff I work with lives out in the counties because Chapel Hill/Carrboro is too expensive.
I haven't run into you at any Triangle get-togethers, but I don't get out as much as I should. :hug: :hi:

:hi: Or we could have coffee at Caffe Driade.

Just go with the flow and enjoy the protection of "The Majority".

I recently moved from the Bluest Part of a very Blue state to one of the Reddest Parts of a Red state.
My vote weighs more here, and my activism is a more powerful influence.
It DOES require more TACT to NOT immediately alienate the people I come in contact with.
I had to take the "Republicans SUCK" sticker off my car.

I generally avoid the wedge issues, and work the economic issues. That sells well here, though it is getting harder and harder to sell the Democratic Party on issues of Economic Justice these days.
The Party has not given us much to work with lately.

Most of the job loss and business closings have occurred during the last seven years so it is pretty easy to totally blame the Republicans. It is very rare that I run across a "Deep Red" who knows that Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, and the top polling candidates support "Free Trade". I do feel a little guilt, but it is outweighed by the potential of having hard core conservatives blaming the Republicans.

I NEVER mention Hillary by name, and when I am invariably asked about her, I quickly laugh and tell the truth about NOT supporting her. That is ALWAYS a surprise, and ALWAYS gains me a opening. Very few are aware that there are ANY other Democratic candidates, and NONE have been able to name another candidate, although ONE was able to almost name Obama. Everyone I talk to (and I talk alot) is delighted to hear that there are Democratic candidates MUCH better than Hillary. It is like a new window opens, and they can begin to consider voting for something better. I am hoping I can translate that "begin to consider" to down ticket Democrats if (God forbid) Hillary becomes our candidate.

There are a few dedicated Liberals who have moved up into these beautiful hills searching for a more sustainable lifestyle, and it is nice to have the support and comfort of like minded intelligent people. I love running across them, and really appreciate their friendship.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

I really appreciate it. As someone who works in a strictly conservative, corporate company, I really see what you're saying..:applause: :yourock: :loveya:

Keep fighting the good fight. And duck when the mud meant for others heads your way!
There's probably a p-nacster hiding behind you!

even when I'm just the teeniest bit discouraged, I'm trying. Thank you for that.

:bounce:

:D You're HERE! In the midst of my hasslement, you showed up! THANK you. --->:hug:

But *I* love *you* more than beans & rice :hug:

I run through these lists and I often ponder, "Oh geez, not them." "Fuck! They're still here!!" "Jeebus, now there's a train wreck that one!" "Criminy!! What a pretentious ass!!" but then I see: Sugar Smack, and my little world is somehow made more whole I therefore thank you my darling you :) oh...

I also love your mieces to pieces, but that is a given :loveya:

I swear, you make me laugh like goddamn near-else NOBODY can. :rofl: I'm also going to PM you back tomorrow, because I loved yours to me and I have the day off.

and a bit of lunch of Fred (20yr+ retired Navy gal pal, she's does theater too), seeing as to a new studio space for hubby but here's the deal = I am never far away, not really, and if 'they' do not believe that (or get it :eyes:) then we'll punch'em out where they stand


:spank: O8) :loveya: :hippie: :yourock: this will, however, be me very soon below, see, I even have a little chamber pot:

Therefore sweetest of dreams to you CzarinaStephania, if & when, and have a *wonderful* day off tomorrow :pals:

We get crapped on all the time because almost ALL the Bushes live here, plus Tom DeLay, etc etc. The Blue Haters should just TRY being a liberal down here.

:applause:

(my love) it's so GOOD to see you here. I've got one goose upthread giving me SUCH a hard time. *I think I have the vapahs*

It's all too silly, eh? Red state, blue state. One fish, two fish.

:hug:

I just wish those goofs would live one year being 'represented' by John Cornyn, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Rick Perry, and whatever redneck is likely to be your Representative (Ron Paul, anyone?)

Not computing. And I really, truly have NO hostility toward those who say it a couple times. It's just those who press the issue and miss the point I'm fed up with, already.

Boy. You really know when to show up, don't you? :loveya: :D

I wish I could just pick up and move to a blue area, but it isn't that easy for many of us, me included.

It's one thing to pick up and move to Kalamazoo (Is Kalamazoo blue, BTW? :silly:) when you're young, it's another when you've got some age on you.

For many of us (me included), it's hard to find a job in your own state, much less in another where you don't know anybody.


Great post, Sugar Smack.

And you wouldn't believe the willful ignorance I get to encounter there, WOW. Even some of the closest women I work with get this pained look on their faces if I mention the words "Pakistan", "Syria","liberal" or "economy". Words that have anything to do with what's going on, near or far, outside the strore.

Nothing, I mean- N O T H I N G proves the RE talking points to rural voting blocks that 'liberals are elitists' quite so well as DEMS putting down 'red states' by insisting their preconceived, stereo-typical misconceptions about the populations are accurate.

It is bigotry, pure & simple to put down the people of a state based on assumptions and gross generalizations.

Bigotry does NOT help us win friends and influence elections.

My 'red' state elected a rabble rousing DEM governor and came out in favor of legalizing medical marijuana. My 'red' state suffers from economic problems set up by decades of policies of resource abusing Robber Barons from back east 'blue' states.

Putting down my neighbors based on some silly label and a whole lot of ignorance of what they are really about is bigotry and hurts the cause of furthering liberal policies.

And, it REALLY pisses me off.

:D Your post hit the nail square on the head. I'm seeing a little less of those instances these days, but it makes me roll my eyes every time. For example, we wouldn't be posting HERE if we hadn't voted BLUE, right? So why the divisiveness when it's pretty obvious that even if the majority of the state "had" voted red, Bush's approval ratings have sunk in every single state.

Thanks for that.

But that misses the truth that neocon-promoting talking heads come here to find tidbits they can use to try and prove their assertions that liberals are elitist snobs who hate people in rural areas and put down farmers, people engaged in the agricultural communities.

Why help Rush and Bill-O? Makes no sense at all.

We win when we look to what common ground there is. We win when we LISTEN to find that common ground and find what problems a population is facing that we can help address. We win when we drop the 'them/us' shit and work for solutions, policies, practices THAT HELP AMERICANS

We win when we decide to work on win/win instead of them/us

California's nice. Try it.

but themselves, if they're posting from Alabama. Hey, I love California too. But I really don't make your connection about posting from Alabama and having no one to blame but themselves.

If you're looking for sympatico, try not living in a Red state.

You have two dark blue cities surrounded by recently "blued" counties and a sea of red in between.
They have to fight hard to get their voters out so those dark red ares don't succeed in throwing many electoral votes to the bad side.
My understanding is that the area surrounding Philadelphia have swung to the Democratic party in the last decade. Still, they have to fight to keep that state in the blue collumn.

I hearya. I live in a blue area in a red state, but my beef is with the broad-brush generalizations of people (dems) living within the boundaries of a red state.

and I'm not complaining.

Good point on offsetting the dark reds out in the boonies though.

Whatever the realities there are about the places a person is from, that thing always holds true and I try to remember it when I think about certain harsh realities regarding all of us.

You think before you write. I try to, but sometimes it's not that easy for me. :pals:

deep blue county.

reasons daily to go back to the hating.

Sorry.

Please tell me HOW you consider it to be productive (and only if you do this) to the Democratic party to antagonize Dems that happen to be posting and active within red states. Tell me how we could be helping more, please.

I would like to hear from the Red State DUr's what we can do to help change the culture there to be more positive: better schools, better economic conditions, countering the Right Wing media, fight with them, don't fight with them, etc.

they may be outnumbered but they still give many votes for democrats in elections.

freaking great. Thanks for that. It's what I've been trying to say to the denser (and smaller) and more hostile population of DU.

If so, they're pathetic. If not, you need a serious dose of a chill pill, because personalizing things not meant to be personalized is a futile activity.

There are a lot of people on this site who chalk up stupid behavior (WHEN it happens in a red state) as being red state mentality. It is NOT political behavior they're referring to but social behavior.

I took my chill pill, thanks.

I would say that for the sake of generalizing, to whatever extent it's good for, "red state mentality" is semi-accurate to describe the behavior of the majority of people in red states or people in blue states who act like said majority in red states. But of course that's just generalizing, which is never fully accurate.

I doubt people who talk about "red state" this or "red state" that seriously mean that you, because you live in a red state, are a dumbass backwoods hick or a biblethumper or anything like that--mostly said people are just being lazy or sloppy and/or stupid themselves. I'm curious what brought this rant on; has there been a particular spate of red state hatin' going on here, or is this just a random thought?

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this. Far as I'm concerned. And you're so right, it is laziness &/or sloppiness that makes people do that. But one of my main interests here is keeping us together instead of letting our locations distract us.


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I have traveled throughout Alabama.
It is a beautiful mostly unspoiled state from the Gulf Coast to the northern forests.

I live in rural Arkansas now (Ouachita Mtns.)
This morning (Nov 5), I had an omelet for breakfast.
I picked a vine ripe tomato, some scallions, and a jalapeno pepper from the organic garden.
Then I stopped in the hen house for two fresh free range eggs.

Let me consider moving back "up North" to a blue state..............Ummmm No.
I will continue to live, prosper, and eat well here. I will live by my values, treat my neighbors with kindness, and, when the opportunity is presented, give them the message that there is a better political way.

California???? Been there. No thanks.
You can keep it, LA, the surfers, the glitterati, the pollution, the Gropenator, Bakersfield, Fresno, and DiFi.

but all this time spent yammering while gathering links from other blogs & dropping them in here and BAM! you're a rock star!! :rofl: who the freaking hell has time for that shit?!?! the rubber meets the road on that goddamn pavement you & me both roll on every...single...fucking day

we got rid of Pombo out here and it was NO SMALL FEAT!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pombo these fuckers are nefarious for OPENERS!!

we will prevail in time...but it takes time