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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:37 AM
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Remind Me Again: HOW did Pakistan acquire Nuclear Weapons ?
I could swear I remember the hand of pure EVIL in there somewhere ....

HOW Did Pakistan get Nuclear Weapons ?

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:43 AM
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1. Yeah, pure EVIL
Ronnie and Poppy. Both turned a blind eye to Pakistan's nuclear shenanigans, broke the intelligence vet who tried to raise the alarm, rewrote his reports to reflect the opposite of his intent, and now he's living poor in a trailer park in Montana.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2188777,00.html
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:55 AM
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2. Thanks for the link.
Did not know that.

Damn
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:11 AM
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5. This is why they thought they would get away with smearing Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson
Since it had worked before with Rich Barlow. And all the same people were involved: Cheney, Libby, Wolfowitz, etc.

Very informative article and truly chilling.

charlie, This article and your post deserve its own thread.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:14 AM
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6. Please, feel free if you'd like
I've been up all night and I'm fading fast into incoherence :)
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:10 PM
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14. This article is so infuriating.
:banghead:


"But those arguing that Pakistan posed the highest risk were isolated. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were in the ascendant, and they returned to the old agenda, lobbying for a war in Iraq and, in a repeat of 1981 and the Reagan years, signed up Pakistan as the key ally in the war against terror."

It's the same old song and dance, they only know one tune. They were doing this crap way back then. And the same players! They're like vampires that resurrect after every dem administration. That's why the only a stake through the heart, impeachment for those who can be impeached, and prison for the rest, can take them out.

What they did to Barlow, is also what they've been doing to so many throughout this administration. A general disagrees? Fire him. A diplomat publicly chastises you? Out his undercover wife. How are these people allowed near the people's house, much less allowed to operate from within? With the people's money?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:02 AM
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3. here is the whole story... 'American Judas', Chaney's company supplied info, and hardware and he kne...
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 10:03 AM by sam sarrha
all about it.. they used hidden a satellite corp..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x4694

there are a lot of blue links, full of info, check em out
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:06 AM
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4. And they protected A.Q. Khan while it was developed...
When the CIA's wings were clipped in 1978, the ruling elite set up the Saudi GID and the Pakistani ISI as their replacement. The Pakistani price? A Muslim A-Bomb.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:01 AM
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7. freakin republicon traitors to America enabled them
As usual.

Why do republicons HATE America?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:02 AM
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8. K&R n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:04 AM
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9. let's see, a military dictatorship with the atomic bomb....alarms should have gone off years ago
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:07 AM
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10. But this guy with nukes was allegedly on our side...
...just like Israel.

We let those folks keep their nukes, only bombing
the people who we think are not on "our side".

Tesha
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:20 PM
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11. The US media needs to pick up this story and run with it
So many of the Republicans mistakes are just swept under the carpet, while we endlessly hear about every tiny phrase uttered by a Democrat (if it makes them look bad with right wing spin).
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:35 PM
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12. their own homegrown scientists and illegal assistance from China
North Korea traded some missile technology as well,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Foreign_Assistance

As much as we love to blame Reagan and the neocons, I haven't seen any evidence that they wanted Pakistan to have nuclear weapons.

Either way, I'm hoping somebody has the guts to take out their nuclear weapons facilities if needed. Maybe India or Israel could do it.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 01:10 PM
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13. Dr. A.Q. Khan / CIA (With a little help from a friend)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan

The former Dutch Prime Minister, Ruud Lubbers, said in early August 2005 that the Government of the Netherlands knew of Dr. A.Q. Khan "stealing" the secrets of nuclear technology but let him go on at two occasions after the CIA expressed their wish to continue monitoring his movements.<5>

"Monitoring his movements"...sure.
Like they did before 9/11

Also interesting:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/index.html

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:13 PM
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15. The restrictions were lifted, the agent told me without a hint of dark humor, on September 11.)
http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

Khan Job: Bush Spiked Probe of Pakistan’s Dr. Strangelove, BBC reported in 2001
Published February 9th, 2004 in Articles
On November 7, 2001, BBC Television’s Newsnight and the Guardian of London reported that the Bush administration thwarted investigations of Dr. A.Q. Khan, known as the “father” of Pakistan’s atomic bomb. This week, Khan confessed to selling atomic secrets to Libya, North Korea, and Iran.

The Bush Administration has expressed shock at disclosures that Pakistan, our ally in the war on terror, has been running a nuclear secrets bazaar. In fact, according to the British news teams’ sources within US intelligence agencies, shortly after President Bush’s inauguration, his National Security Agency (NSA) effectively stymied the probe of Khan Research Laboratories, the Pakistani agency in charge of the bomb project. CIA and other agents told BBC they could not investigate the spread of ‘Islamic Bombs’ through Pakistan because funding appeared to originate in Saudi Arabia.

Greg Palast and David Pallister received a California State University Project Censored Award for this expose based on the story broadcast by Palast on BBC television’s top current affairs program.

According to both sources and documents obtained by the BBC, the Bush Administration ’spike’ of the investigation of Dr. Khan’s Lab followed from a wider policy of protecting key Saudi Arabians including the Bin Laden family.

Noam Chomsky, after reading the story on page one of the Times of India, commented, “Why wasn’t this all over US papers?”

To learn why, read the following excerpt from the 2003 edition of Palast’s book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy:

The “Back-Off” Directive and the Islamic Bomb

… A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, “There was a major policy shift” at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to “back off ” from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, “follow the money,” was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die.

And there was a lot to investigate-or in the case of the CIA and FBI under Bush-a lot to ignore. Through well-known international arms dealers (I’m sorry, but in this business, sinners are better sources than saints) our team was tipped off to a meeting of Saudi billionaires at the Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris in May 1996 with the financial representative of Osama bin Laden’s network. The Saudis, including a key Saudi prince joined by Muslim and non-Muslim gun traffickers, met to determine who would pay how much to Osama. This was not so much an act of support but of protection-a pay off to keep the mad bomber away from Saudi Arabia.

The crucial question here is that, if I could learn about this meeting, how did the CIA miss it? In fact, since the first edition of this book, other sources have disclosed that the meeting was monitored by French intelligence. Since U.S. intelligence was thus likely informed, the question becomes, Why didn’t our government immediately move against the Saudis?

I probed our CIA contact for specifics of investigations that
were hampered by orders to back off of the Saudis. He told us that the Khan Laboratories investigation had been effectively put on hold.

You may never have heard of Khan Laboratories, but if this planet blows to pieces this year, it will likely be thanks to Khan Labs’ creating nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s military. Because investigators had been tracking the funding for this so-called “Islamic Bomb” back to Saudi Arabia, under Bush security restrictions, the inquiry was stymied. (The restrictions were lifted, the agent told me without a hint of dark humor, on September 11.)

Dr. A. Q. Khan is the Dr. Strangelove of Pakistan, the “father” of their bomb and, says a former associate, a crusader for its testing . . . on humans. On April 25, 1998, Khan met at the Kushab Research Center with General Jehangir Karamat, then army chief of staff, to plan a possible preemptive nuclear strike on New Delhi, India. The Saudis lit a fuse under this demented scheme by telling Pakistan intelligence that Israel had shipped India warplanes in preparation for a conventional attack on Pakistan. We only know these details because a young researcher who claims he was at the meeting wrote a horrified letter threatening to make the plan to bomb India public, a threat which appears to have halted the scheme.

After writing down his objections, the whistle-blower, Iftikhar Khan-Chaudhry, ran for his life to London, then the USA, seeking asylum. Khan-Chaudhry, when questioned, seemed to know too little to be the top nuclear physicist he claimed, and far too much about A. Q. Khan’s bomb factory to be the tile company accountant Pakistan claims. Pakistan police, failing to arrest him, jailed, beat and raped his wife, suggesting they wanted him to keep secret something more interesting than bookkeeping methods.

Whether his story was real or bogus, I can’t possibly tell. The point is that intelligence agencies under Clinton, based on many other leads as well, were following up on the Saudi connection until the Bush team interfered.

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