If right wingers are so hellbent on wiping out abortion...

Why won't they support comprehensive sex education and easier access to prophylaxis?

It made a lot of sense to me when I noticed that that was the formula for reducing unwanted pregnancies when I live in Europe.

Surely, these people have realized that people are going to have abortions, if they feel that its their only recourse, whether it's legal or not?

Right wingers love abortion. They'd be lost without it as an issue.

Without abortion, they'd lose at least half of their fundie base, which will vote for ANY Republican, even Judy Ruliani, because they know that even Judy will nominate SCOTUS judges who'll overturn Roe.

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they'd have nothing.

There are slowy chipping away our rights practically making an abortion impossible without going through soo many hurdles.

Right-wingers probably have more abortions than progressives. After all, what right-winger really cares about the sanctity of life? Progressives, on the other hand, genuinely believe in helping people live better lives. Progressives believe in sharing the wealth and offering people health education, contraceptives, family planning, and economic and social opportunities, all of which reduce the numbers of unwanted pregnancies.

Right-wingers are all about stealing as much money and power as they can, hoarding it, and letting everyone else die. Abortion is nothing but a useful wedge issue for them, a reliable means to get certain people all upset and voting Republican against their own interests.

it's about controlling women and controlling men through controlling women.

It's about repressed sexual urges.

There is a web of "it's abouts" and few of the strands are abortion related.

Sex is for pro-creation only. Sex for pleasure's sake is immoral, sinful, and deserves to be punished with pregnancy.

Got it?

Many of them don't believe in abortion in cases of rape and/or incest OR to save the mother's life.

She wore a skirt that ended above her knees. Those temptresses need to pay the wages of their sin, with pregnancy.

And the women whose health is in danger? Well, they should have thought about that before they opened their legs! She had sex, now she has to pay the consequences!

I think some anti-choicers are disappointed that not every sex act results in a pregnancy, or at the very least, a disease. Sinners are getting off scot-free! (LOL, in more way than one, no pun intended)

They don't want to end abortion, AND they don't want easy access to birth control pills and the morning after pill, because, damnit, those whores and harlots need to be punished! Punished, I tell you!

Control a person's body, and you control a lot. And that's what the right wingers are all about: control.

What they do care about is punishing all those little sluts for letting every boy in high school do THAT to them!

You see, women who are nasty enough to have sex and even enjoy it need to be punished severely.

That's why they're pro birth and anti child. Show them any program that helps a poor child, they'll spit while they vote against it.

This stuff is all so visceral, I doubt few of them could articulate it. However, years of picking their brains have led me to this conclusion.

The rules only apply to other people. Cuz they are more than happy to send their own to other countries for abortions..

Take a couple days off to go visit the city. Clandestine, so nobody in their community will know they are a hypocrite.

That's the issue in a nutshell. That and keeping women under control.

Another way of putting it.

Reproductive rights issues trace a line back to the Vatican. Specifically Humanae Vitae. An encyclical issued in 1968 by the pope. Just falling short of being an ex cathedra proclamation an encyclical is considered official Church policy and carries the weight of the pope behind it. Hamanae Vitae is the Vatican's proclamation that abortion and birth control are against official Church policy.

In 1973 the Supreme Court handed down it's Roe V Wade decision. This established a woman's right to choose as inviolate. No state could take that right away. The Vatican having survived numerous cultural revolutions recognized the threat the United States as a nation of Choice represented. Thus they initiated a program to overturn Roe V Wade and the law in our nation.

They created a group of Cardinals and Bishops and gave them the task of creating a grassroots movement to overturn Roe V Wade. One of the members of this group contacted the televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. He showed them how to use the emotional issue of abortion to put people in the pews and money in the coffers. Thats all it took to get them on board. And they took to it like a panda takes to bamboo.

The thing of it is that there is no clear biblical doctrine on the subject of abortion. Traditionally the Jews and the Protestants took the position that the soul entered the body with the first breath based on the account in Genesis.

Gen 2: 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In fact the only examples of abortion within the bible are the result of violent struggle. Typically the result of warfare and in these cases God orders the pregnant women to be ripped up.

Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

In the single case of a man causing a woman to lose her baby a fine is demanded and that is it. As long as the fine is paid no further consequences are required. And this is the result of a malicious undesired aborting of the fetus.

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

The source of issues concerning womens reproductive rights all trace back to the Vatican. Its not directly biblical. Its political.

I knew most of this, but it's a very good summary of the religion and politics.

It's worth mentioning that prior to 1973, most conservative, evangelical Christians weren't terribly upset or concerned, as a group, about abortion. The Southern Baptist Conference's official position in the early 70s acknowledged that some members considered elective abortions to be a matter of personal conscience.

The crazy-assed "Blastocysts iz BAYBEEZ!" rhetoric came only after, as you said, the Catholic Church's push in the wake of Roe v. Wade.

'Cuz it's naughty and women have to be punished for indulging in it.

It's all about controlling women's sexuality, and controlling their reproductive tracts. They won't be happy until we women are living in a reproductive police state.

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